Flash vs Pure in graphs - Page 2

On May 10 2010 22:21 sob3k wrote:


Protoss supply =/= Terran supply, its a little more complex than that

On May 10 2010 19:17 heyoka wrote:
This is the game that gave me an idea. After I saw flash move out and decimate Pure's army in about 5 seconds, I started laughing at how silly a graph would look that depicted their respective food levels.

Then comes the best part, you can actually see when Flash moves out and their armies engage. At the 14 minute mark flash has 168 food and Pure has 159. Exactly a minute later, as Flash's push has extended towards the top and is taking out bases, Pure is down to 90 while Flash is at 145. Its over by now and the graph shows Pure making his last ditch effort and losing everything.

On May 11 2010 07:54 heyoka wrote:


This is basically why I was saying I think Flash was "out-macroing". In many situations, especially during the buildup parts of the game (sub~12 minutes when T has X bases and P has X+1 bases and its mostly just making stuff), protoss will naturally gain a slight advantage in raw count. Pure kind of does it, but it gets negated super fast just before the first major battles start happening. Flash keeping it that even seems like its an indicator of skill. There are a ton of other factors its looking at though, like what is being attacked, and which units are trading, so its not a very clean comparison.

This was pretty easy to do while watching the games, so if I catch EffOrt-Kal I'll probably do the same thing. Zerg vs T/P seems like it would be more dynamic in what food levels look like but hell if I know.

On May 11 2010 08:09 heyoka wrote:
He got pretty fast thirds in the games from what I remember, so possibly. He definitely had his third running before Pure did on Match Point. Its interesting that in the games Pure's growth is a straight line or tapers off towards mid game, whereas Flash's is the opposite in that it starts growing faster. I don't know if its a racial thing (Pure would have been adding tech for arbs about then) or because Flash is better at making units or because of engagements or if thats just how a PvT game normally unfolds. Maybe if we get a Flash vs Kal finals I could do the same thing and compare.

Plexa lemme see, should be easy enough

EDIT YO HERE THEY ARE

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Game 2 is the most interesting one. The match average thing is cool too.

On May 11 2010 08:09 heyoka wrote:
He got pretty fast thirds in the games from what I remember, so possibly. He definitely had his third running before Pure did on Match Point. Its interesting that in the games Pure's growth is a straight line or tapers off towards mid game, whereas Flash's is the opposite in that it starts growing faster. I don't know if its a racial thing (Pure would have been adding tech for arbs about then) or because Flash is better at making units or because of engagements or if thats just how a PvT game normally unfolds. Maybe if we get a Flash vs Kal finals I could do the same thing and compare.

Plexa lemme see, should be easy enough

EDIT YO HERE THEY ARE

+ Show Spoiler +

Game 2 is the most interesting one. The match average thing is cool too.