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wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 08:04:10
April 12 2010 08:03 GMT
#81
nvm, shits crazy yo love it, keeep them vids comin rek
joined TL.net in 2006 (aka GMer) - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=41944#2
PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 08:29:07
April 12 2010 08:06 GMT
#82
LOL.

Unbelievable.

EDIT
Actually...totally believable.
Hello
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
April 12 2010 08:07 GMT
#83
On April 12 2010 16:06 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 16:04 Gann1 wrote:
if the very few games he lost during his peak were thrown, the man is just even more incredible.

just sayin'

<3 sAviOr.


incredibly douchey, maybe

i don't understand how people can still fanboy savior after something like this


i love sAviOr because of how fucking amazing he was at Starcraft during his prime, and how much of an inspiration he was to my picking up Brood War. that's how.

me too i still love savior the gamer

i just lost respect for savior the person
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
April 12 2010 08:07 GMT
#84
Lol, I have a feeling this story is going to be around and persistent all the way until SC2 comes out.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
April 12 2010 08:08 GMT
#85
By the way, this totally explains all my crappy Liquibet seasons.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
April 12 2010 08:08 GMT
#86
On April 12 2010 16:55 moopie wrote:
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On April 12 2010 16:05 Raziel2p wrote:
On April 12 2010 15:57 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I'm just wondering, why is this only now coming to light?

This is probably a very ugly statement, but the upcoming release of SC2 comes to mind.


nope.
Actually, Raziel2p post summarizes what's been on my mind as well.

The coincidental timing seems perfect. But still I feel it is most likely that - a coincidence.
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
April 12 2010 08:10 GMT
#87
On April 12 2010 17:02 prototype. wrote:
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On April 12 2010 16:58 mmp wrote:
I guess now would be a good time to trade Savior off my FPL team... :p

I dunno why you would have him in the first place, he's not even in the CJ roster anymore.


It was a bargain! I couldn't refuse.
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 08:16:51
April 12 2010 08:12 GMT
#88
On April 12 2010 16:06 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 16:04 Gann1 wrote:
if the very few games he lost during his peak were thrown, the man is just even more incredible.

just sayin'

<3 sAviOr.


incredibly douchey, maybe

i don't understand how people can still fanboy savior after something like this


i love sAviOr because of how fucking amazing he was at Starcraft during his prime, and how much of an inspiration he was to my picking up Brood War. that's how.

He inspired you to play a game that you now love, and then goes and pisses on the integrity of said game for a quick buck. You're not the least bit unhappy about that?

I'm personally curious where the Bisu and Firebathero antifans stand. Many of them fell in where they are because they were Savior fans. Where does that put you when you find out Savior's losses may just have been his own doing?

On April 12 2010 16:51 Juicyfruit wrote:
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On April 12 2010 16:48 Radiomouse wrote:
On April 12 2010 16:39 k20a wrote:
Lol no respect loss from me, do what you gotta do to get money. How many of you can actually say that if someone offered you potentially thousands upon thousands of dollars to throw a game you wouldn't do it? C'monnnnnnnnnnn


You are such a douchebag.

Money isn't all there is to it, never mind that he's already making money off of doing something he should love.

Even though making 2 million dollars seems alluring, what do you really get from it if you already make 100k a year(which is already quite a bit of money, especially in korea if i understand it correctly).


2 million = 20 years at 100k/year you know. This is a pretty bad reasoning.

I think his point is that, given that 100k a year is a very decent salary, the utility gained from 2 million dollars is way less than a factor of 20.
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cunninglinguists
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States925 Posts
April 12 2010 08:17 GMT
#89
every man has his price. hell, maybe if we were in their shoes we would've done the same.

doesn't excuse it though.

those who are using this as an excuse to justify every single loss savior had and remain a savior fan need to get some self-respect. sure he may not be as shitty as he seems, but skill doesn't mean shit if you're a fucking cheat. savior got me interested in starcraft and i give huge props for that. one bad act doesn't overshadow all good characteristics of a person (i.e. this whole tiger woods fiasco), but that doesn't mean we should just turn a convenient blind eye to this bullshit (if it turns out to be true) simply because players like savior were our hero back in the day. he betrayed his team, he betrayed himself but most importantly he betrayed the thousands of loyal fans (like the almost fanatic konadora) who adored him. and that, in my book, is disgusting. whatever he was in the past, its clear that he isn't now.

so tell people that you were a savior fan. and tell them with pride. but don't fucking disgrace yourself by remaining one.
Piste
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
6183 Posts
April 12 2010 08:17 GMT
#90
On April 12 2010 16:10 MiniRoman wrote:
Kinda makes you wonder if it's because its a videogame. The bribe money is pretty low and I can't think of any other professional athlete that would purposely throw a fight. I guess boxing/MMA if the money was good, but not for the pennies these SC pros did it for. Shameful actions for a "professional".


Obviously the bribe money was not low.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11094 Posts
April 12 2010 08:17 GMT
#91
Wowowowow. Possibly lux and savior. Big names jeez
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
April 12 2010 08:18 GMT
#92
On April 12 2010 17:12 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 16:06 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On April 12 2010 16:04 Gann1 wrote:
if the very few games he lost during his peak were thrown, the man is just even more incredible.

just sayin'

<3 sAviOr.


incredibly douchey, maybe

i don't understand how people can still fanboy savior after something like this


i love sAviOr because of how fucking amazing he was at Starcraft during his prime, and how much of an inspiration he was to my picking up Brood War. that's how.

He inspired you to play a game that you now love, and then goes and pisses on the integrity of said game for a quick buck. You're not the least bit unhappy about that?

Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 16:51 Juicyfruit wrote:
On April 12 2010 16:48 Radiomouse wrote:
On April 12 2010 16:39 k20a wrote:
Lol no respect loss from me, do what you gotta do to get money. How many of you can actually say that if someone offered you potentially thousands upon thousands of dollars to throw a game you wouldn't do it? C'monnnnnnnnnnn


You are such a douchebag.

Money isn't all there is to it, never mind that he's already making money off of doing something he should love.

Even though making 2 million dollars seems alluring, what do you really get from it if you already make 100k a year(which is already quite a bit of money, especially in korea if i understand it correctly).


2 million = 20 years at 100k/year you know. This is a pretty bad reasoning.

I think his point is that, given that 100k a year is a very decent salary, the utility gained from 2 million dollars is way less than a factor of 20.


If he was guaranteed a 100k/year job for 20 years maybe. Btw, I'm not happy about this either, obviously, but I'm not going to pretend like it was a stupid decision from a personal point of view.
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
April 12 2010 08:20 GMT
#93
So before we start crucifying people, how much of this is confirmed?
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
JohnColtrane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Australia4813 Posts
April 12 2010 08:24 GMT
#94
a little disappointed, but im not blaming anyone. progaming is tough, money is tempting and every kid has his price

i hope they dont get jail time or anything :C i would like to see lux raping again
HEY MEYT
mrdx
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Vietnam1555 Posts
April 12 2010 08:26 GMT
#95
On April 12 2010 16:39 k20a wrote:
Lol no respect loss from me, do what you gotta do to get money. How many of you can actually say that if someone offered you potentially thousands upon thousands of dollars to throw a game you wouldn't do it? C'monnnnnnnnnnn

NO FUCKING WAY.

Especially when you are among the best treated, most loved and best paid players.

B-teamers and poorly paid players may blame if they threw games, but who would bribe them anyway?

Saying that it's acceptable for top notch players like Savior to throw games as long as the money is decent is basically like shitting on all the hours and passion that we, proscene Starcraft fans, have spent on this over the years.

As someone said there's little job security and career future in progaming and that makes those who match fixed even WORSE 'cos they were risking an already shitty dream and future of other nameless players who are trying hard.
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sdvc
Profile Joined April 2009
United States91 Posts
April 12 2010 08:28 GMT
#96
On April 12 2010 16:23 darktreb wrote:
haha I remember when Flash said some of his replays got leaked and he didn't know how

way to go Lux - worst KT acquisition ever


oh yea haha that reminds me, remember ret almost got kicked outta estro house when replays got out

it was probably upmagic that did that, rekrul says he's part of it too... probably easy to blame the new fat white guy (no offense)
Aim Here
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Scotland672 Posts
April 12 2010 08:28 GMT
#97
So before we start crucifying people, how much of this is confirmed?


Well I was just about to point out that piping the news link through google translate, and looking for 마재윤 (Ma Jae Yoon) in the original seems to show that the news article itself doesn't mention Savior by name.

The OP gives the impression that it's a rough translation of the article and that that Savior was named, so I figure I'd better correct that.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
April 12 2010 08:30 GMT
#98
Perhaps this is part of the reason for Upmagic's sudden disappearance from the Estro roster o.O
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
April 12 2010 08:33 GMT
#99
When I saw Savior staying on lair tech a whole game against a Bio build I felt like he was seriously in sand bagging mode.
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
Arbiter[frolix]
Profile Joined January 2004
United Kingdom2674 Posts
April 12 2010 08:35 GMT
#100
I suppose I should not be shocked at the amount of people on here who are willing to outright condemn individual players despite the absence of anything resembling proof as of yet.

If Saviour was involved in anything untoward then this will be a dark day for Brood War and for e-Sports generally. And the severest action should be taken against anyone found to be throwing games, up to and including immediate life bans. However, so far we know next to nothing.

I think it would be more responsible to keep away from the "OMG Saviour you douche" comments for now.
We are vigilant.
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