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Dont worry about whos the best, just worry about whos playing *their* best.
iloveoov, best sc player? - Page 6
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Nickademus
United States6 Posts
Then someone else came... then someone else came back... Dont worry about whos the best, just worry about whos playing *their* best. | ||
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GoDHovZ
United States1869 Posts
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IcedEarth
United States3661 Posts
But the fact remains that Nada has accomplished WAY more than Oov to this day. Oov has a ways to go as far as I'm concerned. | ||
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benzoic-acid
Korea (South)427 Posts
who is better right now? lebron james is. who had a better career? jordan. try to comprehend what you are arguing before you make an ass out of yourself | ||
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benzoic-acid
Korea (South)427 Posts
I never tried to argue that oov has accomplished more. but most people in this thread seem to believe that accomplishments = presnt skill level. By this idiotic reasoning, sync, themarine, and grrr are better than oov, which everyone knows is not true. in the last year, oov dominated both team leagues and TG-MSL, while nada dominated kt-ktf. imo, oov has been much more impressive than nada over the last year, and i think most people would agree with me I said that if oov beats nada in the MSL finals, he should be considered the best player in the world, as of that moment. he is NOT a one hit wonder like everyone else people are comparing him too. People are also using arbitrary guidelines in their judgement. what sample size is large enough? If iloveoov had an overall record of 100-10, is that still not a large enough sample size? what about 150-10? like i said before, almost all hardcore fans and pro gamers knew that nada was the best player in the world before he won OGN. i guess it just takes people a while to realize things. even if oov beats nada in MSL, nada may still be better; its impossible to conclusively say so. its just fucking annoying that people are attacking my arguement without understanding what i'm even saying | ||
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lefty
United States1896 Posts
it woudl be more like lebron james is better than kobe not jordan | ||
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1edd_y
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1edd_y
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maleorderbride
United States2916 Posts
On March 15 2004 16:56 benzoic-acid wrote: THE QUESTION IS, "WHO IS BETTER RIGHT NOW?", NOT "WHO HAS ACCOMPLISHED MORE IN THEIR CAREERS?" even if oov beats nada in MSL, nada may still be better; its impossible to conclusively say so. its just fucking annoying that people are attacking my arguement without understanding what i'm even saying I am understanding what you are saying. You, however, do not seem to understand what you are saying. My point, and HovZ's point exactly coincides with you last point. "even if oov beats nada in MSL, nada may still be better; its impossible to conclusively say so." Exactly. It is my opinion that oov beating nada in their last seies of 3 means nothing. It proves nothing except oov can beat nada and that he is a very very skilled player. oov is not better right now, and I seriously doubt he will ever be as good as nada. Just as you said, it can not be proven. Even if they played a bo15. It still would be open to doubts. Have you ever lost to a player that you know you are better than? This inferior player then goes on to lose to people that you regularly beat. So who is better? You, because you win vs everyone else? Or him, because he can beat you, the #1 player? This is no way is an example or nada and oov, but it just serves to reinforce the point that accomplishments, and even series outcomes do not really equate with skill. How "skilled" a player is can only be judged by how he typically performs and plays. It is so closely linked to the style of play that you like as well as you whims. You opinion is that oov is better, mine is that nada is better. Can you really not understand how I can be "attacking" your argument? I'm not, I am simply disagreeing with you for all the reasons that I have previously stated. BTW, in case you are unclear on exactly how WCG prelims are handled, in Korea especailly, they ALL, including pro players like yellow, had to try out. This means that Ogogo indirectly, by tournament process is "better" than yellow, nal_ra, nada, AND iloveoov, etc. Of course I do not belive that, it is ABSURD to claim that Ogogo is anything more than semi-pro. Yet somehow, in a tournament participated in by all of korea, except boxer, AND the entire rest of the world, he wins. My point once again, since you do not seem to be able to understand my argument, is that oov won a tournament, big wooptie do. Go dance around a campfire and hold hands with all the pro players that lost in korea's wcg prelim. maybe you can console them since evidently, to you, Ogogo > all pro players during the months of WCG. Edit: I just reread your post and you state that Oov is not a one hit wonder because.....you say he isnt. So is he a two hit wonder then? A three hit wonder? Three and a half? You stated earlier that accomplishments mean nothing, yet your talking about them right now. So stick with your own guidline. We ARE talking about someone that as of right NOW is a one hit wonder. (if this is his second victory over nada, which I doubt, then he is a two hit wonder) It is up to him to prove to me time and again that he is something more than that. Please do not offer categorization of how people will play in the future. To do so seems infinitly more ridiculous than to speak about past accomplishments. | ||
Liquid`Daaman
Sweden1225 Posts
On March 15 2004 16:54 benzoic-acid wrote: who is better right now? lebron james is. who had a better career? jordan. try to comprehend what you are arguing before you make an ass out of yourself I must say Hovz sentence consisting of only 1 word said all that.. =P | ||
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maleorderbride
United States2916 Posts
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A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
On March 15 2004 16:18 SW)RIF wrote: morons need not respond  I think you confused best in the world right now, with the best ever, which not one person has claimed. So A3iL3r0n go away~ Ehn, basically people are using the term "best" when they should be using the term "hottest". Should I go into the semantics implied meaning? No? I will anyway. "Best" implies performance over a period of time, not by its explicit definition, but by the way people use the word "best". While "hottest", on the other hand, definitely implies a short period. So if someone asked me, "Who is the best player in the league?" I would say Nada. If someone asked me, "Who is the hottest player in the league?" I guess I would say Oov judging from his statistics. In other words, if you took the topic blurb and replaced "best" with "hottest" there wouldn't be so many replies. | ||
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FloOfy
Canada57 Posts
(but considering most pros are ran its maybe more than 33% but still) Nada is probably better tvp, not sure about tvz. | ||
Arbiter[frolix]
United Kingdom2674 Posts
I never tried to argue that oov has accomplished more. but most people in this thread seem to believe that accomplishments = presnt skill level. By this idiotic reasoning, sync, themarine, and grrr are better than oov, which everyone knows is not true. I think the point a lot of people are making is that while oov is on fire he has, as yet, not done enough to demonstrate that he is the best and is going to be able to maintain that level. They are loathe to bestow the title of best player on someone based on the current evidence. I think most people agree that oov is hottest player at the present time. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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tenbagger
United States1289 Posts
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hasuwar
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WhyKickDog
United States96 Posts
On March 15 2004 20:15 Ace wrote: im still trying to understand how can people say oov>nada just because oov has been on a streak they can say that simply because oov is on a streak that has lasted a decent amount of time, and shows no signs of getting worse. (edit: they can say that oov might be becoming > nada, not just saying oov > nada) hes doing better than nada statistics-wise *very recently*. maybe its just oov is on a streak that will end. this thread post was just a guy thinking it might not be just a streak, and that he actually is becoming better than nada. all you extremists are just blatantly wrong... HovZ says records and statistics and winning tournaments mean nothing. that is the stupidest thing ive ever seen. other people say the only thing that matters is that iloveoov has better recent stats than nada. that is also definitely wrong. there is no 100% way to say who is best *right now*. thats why this guy made this post, asking where people think the middle ground is. when does someone be considered the best player *right now*? i think its pitiful how stupid people are, because there are very few posts talking about the middle ground, which is what this thread was all about. theres just a bunch of extremes, which are obviously wrong, and a couple people who have the right idea | ||
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WhyKickDog
United States96 Posts
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Vi)Chris
United States700 Posts
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