1 thing people need to realize is that the real question is, what the definition of "best" is. If the definition is clear, saying that its overall achievements. Anyone could just paste all achievements of both players(tricky logic, yes?) and make a comparison.

Pre-edit: People cant "realize"

Arbiter[frolix]

United Kingdom2674 Posts

March 15 2004 21:43 GMT

#123

On March 15 2004 23:30 Klogon wrote:

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Mistyped or purposely being redundant?

He is denying the relevance of those stats to the argument, and maintaining that Oov's superior stats do not demonstrate that he is a superior player.

I hope I have interpreted the post correctly.

FreeZEternal

Korea (South)3396 Posts

March 15 2004 23:35 GMT

#124

absolutely...iloveoov owns+__+

Tien

Russian Federation4447 Posts

March 16 2004 05:49 GMT

#125

Nada has been owning everyone that I think the broodwar community has gotten used to it. Nobody was surprised when Nada won the ktf tournament losing only once. We are used to nada, however iloveoov is like a new sensation. People love newcomers that burst into the scene with sparks flying everywhere.

As HovZ noted earlier, for the amount of games nada has played, his stats are fucking awesome. The only way we can compare statistics is that we take iloveoov's statistics atm with Nada's stats at the time he had played as many games as iloveoov, not his overral stats cuz the numbers are way too different. I think we will have a striking similarity. Even then we cannot say who is better cuz of stats cuz the more games you play, the harder it is to be consistant. Nada is doing a great job.

Right now Iloveoov is the most dangerous player because he just defeated the most feared playeres in the world without much difficulty: nada and yellow. To say he is better than nada you have to wait and see, consistancy is the only thing that matters. This guy has not even been in a ogn tournament yet which has arguably much tougher competition and pressure.

LedZeppelin

United States226 Posts

March 16 2004 06:12 GMT

#126

the stats are misleading. NaDa has played pretty much 3x as many games as oov, over time I'm pretty sure oov will eventually drop off. Lets face it, NaDa is rediculously consistent, and oov hasn't even been in the Starleague.

Ace

United States16096 Posts

March 16 2004 08:06 GMT

#127

the last 2 posts are pretty much what I was waiting to hear.

Commander{+}

United States2878 Posts

March 16 2004 10:58 GMT

#128

oov has had a good fucking streak for a short period compared to Nada's incredable streak over a much much longer period.

How the fuck can anyone think oov is better then nada?

Klogon

MURICA15980 Posts

March 16 2004 11:12 GMT

#129

That's the point, you can't use "longer period" if somebody is better at the moment. I'm not saying oov is better, but that fact is, somebody can still be better than nada even if he hasn't been owning for a year. He hasn't "proven" it to the fans, but he could still be better.

Dealer

Sweden1368 Posts

March 16 2004 11:21 GMT

#130

Nada has to practice a lot more maps than Iloveoov since he's in every tourney, quite a disadvantage...

Apoptosis

United States78 Posts

March 16 2004 11:25 GMT

#131

No way =/

InToTheWannaB

United States4770 Posts

March 16 2004 11:32 GMT

#132

Nal_Ra>all go go P!!!!

tenbagger

United States1289 Posts

March 16 2004 13:12 GMT

#133

"best" in my opinion is the person most likely to win. The best player on earth right now is the player most likely to win a game/series right now. Going back to the old mensrea post, if you're life depended on a best of 3 or 5 series, and you didn't know the race and identity of your opponent, who would you pick to play for you. I think that's the simplest way to describe best. And I would pick nada in a heartbeat.

benzoic-acid

Korea (South)427 Posts

March 16 2004 13:58 GMT

#134

On March 16 2004 22:12 tenbagger wrote:
"best" in my opinion is the person most likely to win. The best player on earth right now is the player most likely to win a game/series right now. Going back to the old mensrea post, if you're life depended on a best of 3 or 5 series, and you didn't know the race and identity of your opponent, who would you pick to play for you. I think that's the simplest way to describe best. And I would pick nada in a heartbeat.

i agree on pretty much everything you wrote. all i would add is that if oov beats nada again, then you at least have to consider him

benzoic-acid

Korea (South)427 Posts

March 16 2004 13:59 GMT

#135

If a player won ALL his pro matches, going like 50-0 and winning MSL, OGN challenge and star league, would you not consider that player the best? this has nothing to do with oov and nada, i'm just wondering where people draw the arbitrary benchmarks that they have done while attacking me.

Tien

Russian Federation4447 Posts

March 17 2004 05:00 GMT

#136

On March 16 2004 22:59 benzoic-acid wrote:
If a player won ALL his pro matches, going like 50-0 and winning MSL, OGN challenge and star league, would you not consider that player the best? this has nothing to do with oov and nada, i'm just wondering where people draw the arbitrary benchmarks that they have done while attacking me.

going undefeated 50-0 is godly. Iloveoov is not even close to being undefeated.
If he has gone undefeated against ALL the elite gamers out there than there is something to talk about.

Nada has played so many more games so it is unfair to compare stats like how you have been doing it. I am a lot more sure about nada's capabilities because he has been doing it for a longer time, he is consistant. Whereas you will never know if Iloveoov will pull a reach and disappear.