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ohhhh my god Bo7 how i missed thou
Im predicting a Star's win.
ZeRO and Kwanro are playing well
and Soul's supposed "depth" is trash
Kal is the backbone of his team and he can only carry them so far
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WL has been Bo7 the whole time...
Both are pretty strong teams with good Zergs, definitely expecting Modesty at some point.
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in one side : kal, calm, shuttle, hwasin (i wish i could count july)
on the other: kwanro, zero, free
this should be awesome, but i think stars has no chance
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STX failed to T1 Zergs. ZeKwanroll with free
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STX should win they are to deep and can afford to put the big guns out first.
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France2061 Posts
I hope STX can improve their Terrans in the next rounds. They're not sending out Hwasin that much so he's probably not doing too well right now, and because of that they're relying too much on their Zergs vs other strong Zergs. I don't think that's healthy in the long term considering how volatile ZvZ is -- it'll just get them Hyuk'd. They need some good TvZers.
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I'm predicting an STX win. WJN will be sending out ZerO, Kwanro, Free, and Guemchi since those 4 are the only decent players. STX has some breathing room since Calm, Kal, Shuttle, Hwasin, Modesty, and maybe Hero are all competent players. I'm predicting Calm, Kal, Shuttle, Modesty. I believe that Modesty can snipe ZerO, and Calm and Kal will both do well.
4-2 STX
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Ohh my god this will be amazing.
Predicting an STX win, but it'll be close.
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On March 17 2010 04:53 Kyuukyuu wrote:
WL has been Bo7 the whole time...
Both are pretty strong teams with good Zergs, definitely expecting Modesty at some point.
 im thinking of the Grand Finals
sorry
but LOL at the people who think
HERO and HWASIN are going to help STX's chances
STX LOST TO SKT'S ZERGS.
do you think they can hold up vs ZeRO and Kwanro?
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It's still all-kill format, right? A bo7 in regular proleague format would help STX because they have loads of decent players.
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Out of the ten terran starters between the two teams, only two of them (maybe three) don't completely suck.
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I just realized both teams has the EXACT SAME # OF PLAYERS IN EACH RACE.... 1 captain toss, 2 other toss, 5 terrans and 4 zergs.... O SNAP.
Does this mean both are equal or balanced? Hmmmmmmm.....
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On March 17 2010 05:18 QuickStriker wrote:
I just realized both teams has the EXACT SAME # OF PLAYERS IN EACH RACE.... 1 captain toss, 2 other toss, 5 terrans and 4 zergs.... O SNAP.
Does this mean both are equal or balanced? Hmmmmmmm.....
Keep in mind 5 of those terrans are Woongjin terrans.
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Woongjin will win this. Kwanrollll all the way.
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okay. well on paper STX LOOKS STRONGER.
 Kal and Shuttle anchor the P line, and both of which are solid, strong players. However the mappool doesn't really favor P.
 Notice, FrOzen, Last, Bogus, Hwasin all suck ass.
 Calm, Modesty, July, hero. Calm is slumping, Modesty has latent potential, July is old and fat and hero isn't doing too well. (lost to baby in the OSL)
Stars on the other hand..
GuemChi, and free similarly anchor the P line for the Stars. Similar to STX's P line, both are solid players (1 dragon with a rising young un)
SaiR, hOn_sin, Special, PianO, MVP suck ass as well
ZerO, Kwanro, Crazy-Hydra, Neo.G_Soulkey!! THIS IS WHY Stars will win. The P and T's across the 2 teams are somewhat similar, but the Star's z line is sooo much stronger than STX's imo
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STX, then STX, then KT.
and KT is undefeated except f'ing Hite, and no Jaedong stopping KT like last year.
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On March 17 2010 05:10 Scorch wrote:
It's still all-kill format, right? A bo7 in regular proleague format would help STX because they have loads of decent players.
Yes its regular Bo7 all kill.
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On March 17 2010 05:01 snowdrift86 wrote:
I hope STX can improve their Terrans in the next rounds. They're not sending out Hwasin that much so he's probably not doing too well right now, and because of that they're relying too much on their Zergs vs other strong Zergs. I don't think that's healthy in the long term considering how volatile ZvZ is -- it'll just get them Hyuk'd. They need some good TvZers.
You're complaining about STX's Terrans? Woongjin would kill for that group!
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France2061 Posts
On March 17 2010 05:51 Jaksiel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2010 05:01 snowdrift86 wrote:
I hope STX can improve their Terrans in the next rounds. They're not sending out Hwasin that much so he's probably not doing too well right now, and because of that they're relying too much on their Zergs vs other strong Zergs. I don't think that's healthy in the long term considering how volatile ZvZ is -- it'll just get them Hyuk'd. They need some good TvZers.
You're complaining about STX's Terrans? Woongjin would kill for that group!
Ha, I guess I'm feeling entitled to solid players of every race because it's a well-rounded team overall. And honestly, I would have a hard time betting on anyone in a Bogus vs Special or an MVP vs Frozen game.
Also, this needs to be added to "Upcoming events" on the right. These are going to be some hot playoffs, so the hype train must go on!
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Guemchi will all kill 4 STXs and then proceed to all kill kwanro, zero and free in the last three games...
Stars wins 4-3
Guemchi wins 7-0
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Woongjin Stars got this.
Even though STX lineup looks amazing with Hwasin, Kal, Calm leading each race. Key player for STX has to be Calm, if Calm fails to get 2 or 3 winning games against Woongjin they are in trouble.
The Woongjin Stars lineup isn't that bad either I expect MVP or PianO to at least get 1 kill if they get send out. Key player for Woongjin Stars has to be ZerO. ZerO ZvP, ZvT is currently unstoppable (expect for Flash cause you cheat!)you name he'll give you a win, but recently his ZvZ has been lacking with a lost to Action, Killer and Luxury. I expect winning on ZvP and ZvT but ZvZ will have to see.
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Bump, starters out, Kal vs MVP!!!
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LOL MVP gonna get rolled
Wstars has free,g-chizzle,zero and kwanro why are they using MVP???
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I think Stars has this unless Hwasin steps up
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Zerollllllled time. Calling July old and fat is too much, gotta give him props.
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I think STX SouL might actually do very well since they have so many zerg snipers (shuttle, modesty, calm, hwasin) and Kal is being sent out first vs. a terran.
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KAL ALLKILL EZ
man I just realized, this is the 1st time Stars has been in any playoffs in YEARS AND YEARS. wow GJ stars, so proud of these guys improving so much over 2 years ago. And it's all thanks to ZerO really.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
MVP's gonna get crushed. But I don't get why Kal's getting sent out first. Everyone's gonna be practicing to snipe him. And unless he gets 2 kills or more, it's essentially like wasting their best player.
Actually, after thinking through it some more, it makes some sense.
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I have HIGH hopes that MVP will win against Kal even though its not gonna be true but you will never know what can happen in playoffs.
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Kal vs MVP... YES.
TIME TO GET YOUR REVENGE >:D
Stars gonna take WL ezpz
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On March 18 2010 13:31 Roffles wrote:
MVP's gonna get crushed. But I don't get why Kal's getting sent out first. Everyone's gonna be practicing to snipe him. And unless he gets 2 kills or more, it's essentially like wasting their best player.
Actually, after thinking through it some more, it makes some sense.
People asked why Jaedong was sent out first last time around, and we saw what happened then. 
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My random analysis tidbits:
Kal is going to win 1 or 2 games. I don't think he'll lose to a Z unless they're doing something really fishy. If it is a Z that kills him I doubt it will be Zero, since they'll probably be trying some gambit build and don't risk Zero on it. I would include Kwanro, but fishy gambits are his specialty.
I expect the Kal killer to be less of a big name player. Just someone who is sniping him and losing. The STX pick depends on who takes out Kal. More specifically, whether it is a Zerg (send Modesty for the win) or one of the lesser races. I could easily see Shuttle coming out against a non-Zerg, though if it's a Protoss mayyybe Hero. He's slumping pretty badly though, so it's tough to tell.
People who are saying Calm is slumping are thoroughly wrong. Just look at his recent stats to see how stupid that claim is. I imagine he is performing fairly well in practice and STX is holding on to him as the ace. I think Zero will probably be Woongjin's ace player.
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My Analysis!
Stars
free - free has been consistent. Delivering 1-2 kills per game usually. He'll prolly be someone that will be sent out 2nd/3rd.
GuemChi - G-Chizzle fizzled out. I dont see him being sent out. He's woonjin's 4th slot. but since MVP is in, I dont know why the Coaches wouldnt send Kwanro/ZerO instead of him.
ZerO - ZerO is pretty fuc'kin good! He'll prolly be the 4th slot to wait out Calm/Modesty.
Kwanro - He'll prolly be sent to snipe ZvZ wise. Modesty/Calm.
STX
Shuttle - Holy fuck. SoO raped Shuttle. HOwever. Shuttle was on a 11 streak vs Z. He can prolly match Kwanro. His vT is good too. But, Im pretty sure he'll be sent out for free if he plays. PvP is his Forte.
Kal - Kal is the driving Line behind STX. He's the guy they depend on to shift the balance. He can take on anyone from Stars while being a Favorite or Equal.
Calm - Calm slumping? No. Fuck no. Calm is very good at what he does. IN ALL MATCHUPS. Godforbid though. If MVP beats Kal and lets say they send Calm out. I swear, if MVP goes for a bunker Rush. FUCK. FUCK FUCK.
Modesty - ZvZ sniper. He's not that good at much else. (I saw his ZvP vs Bisu.)
Hwasin - Bleh. Hwasin hasnt gotten to play much :<. I have faith though. He can get a Kill if he's sent out!
FrOzen - God forbid. They send FrOzen out. Hey. He Actually won a game this season.
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Such a difficult match to predict because so many players on a good day can take out the entire opposing team. I can definitely see... shuttle, kal, calm, modesty, zero, kwanro, and free all performing AKs. If STX can save modesty long enough for zero and kwanro, they'll win. I don't think Woongjin will save kwanro for 3rd though knowing that. It all comes down to free and how long he can stay out, cause that prevents STX from using modesty to take out opposing zergs. There is a really high chance we will see Calm and Zero Acing for their respective teams.
Kal > MVP. Fighting Spirit is a nice macro map though so MVP's got a decent shot.
Kal < Kwanro
Hwasin/Modesty > Kwanro
Hwasin/Modesty < free
Shuttle < free
Calm > free
Calm > zero
Each team can play map/racial matchup's really well which is why STX in the ZvZ mirror (where racial advantages have no effect) has a strong advantage. It is for this reason that I think STX will win. All i can say is ouch @ neo moon glaive and PvZ is a hard matchup on a lot of these maps which is where the strength of each team lies in. There can be definitely surprise appearances by either hero or July to snipe free. Oh, and Kwanro likes to choke despite how much I enjoy watching him play.
With bias...
+ Show Spoiler +Kal > MVP
Kal < Kwanro
Hwasin < Kwanro
Modesty < Kwanro
Calm < Kwanro
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STX should have a slight edge in this. Stars just got AKed by Action, and although it was through three ZvZs, I don't see why Calm wouldn't be able to do around the same amount of damage. Similarly, I don't see many Stars players being a big threat to Kal. If/when Kal faces Kwanro, he'll on the lookout for all-ins (although I doubt Kwanro would do one in this case tbh), and Kwanro in a straight up ZvP should be no match for Kal + Show Spoiler +although the same can be said for hyuk lolool
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I can see either team taking this.
The arguments about Stars' zerg line being stronger seem pretty rational, however I wouldn't discount the fact that STX still has a good handful of strong players, and a couple players who could snipe Zero/Kwanro (YoonJoong, Modesty, and maybe Calm [if clam doesn't show up instead] or hwasin [pretty unlikely]).
Should be a great match whichever way it goes.
Also, the STX fanboy inside me has to say: + Show Spoiler +Shuttle Allkill yeaaaaahhhhhhhh
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Baa?21244 Posts
STX is gonna wreck this shit and win grand finals.
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STX hwaiting! STX-KT final with Calm all kill!
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
I find it unlikely that Kal < MVP. MVP is so fucking bad. Kal wrecked that kid so bad during OSL qualifications.
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Time for a Woongjin Terran to shine! I want to see at least one TvT.
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Does anyone know how does winning WL relate to overall Proleague season? Do they get more points for the next rounds or what?
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On March 18 2010 16:06 Roffles wrote:I find it unlikely that Kal < MVP. MVP is so fucking bad. Kal wrecked that kid so bad during OSL qualifications.
He did win a game during that set though, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't cheese
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On March 18 2010 16:06 Roffles wrote:I find it unlikely that Kal < MVP. MVP is so fucking bad. Kal wrecked that kid so bad during OSL qualifications.
Honestly, the most unlikely thing about this list and many like it is it predicts a completely even exchange with no 2 kills, which hasn't happened all season.
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On March 18 2010 18:10 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2010 16:06 Roffles wrote:I find it unlikely that Kal < MVP. MVP is so fucking bad. Kal wrecked that kid so bad during OSL qualifications. Honestly, the most unlikely thing about this list and many like it is it predicts a completely even exchange with no 2 kills, which hasn't happened all season.
CJ vs Hite
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Oh well, still, that's 1 game out of 132, and I remember one of the articles on the kill ratios said it was more likely for someone to get 2 kills than 1 kill etc etc. It's just a hugely unlikely occurrence.
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On March 18 2010 19:25 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Oh well, still, that's 1 game out of 132, and I remember one of the articles on the kill ratios said it was more likely for someone to get 2 kills than 1 kill etc etc. It's just a hugely unlikely occurrence.
Out of 66, not 132
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12 teams play 11 matches through the round (one for each other team). That'd be 132?
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On March 18 2010 19:56 TwoToneTerran wrote:
12 teams play 11 matches through the round (one for each other team). That'd be 132?
Divide that by 2, they only play each other once.
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Ahaha, that's right, my mistake, but my point still stands that it almost never happens. It is exactly as common as a reverse all kill, for instance.
I know people just list who they think will be prepared to snipe who and it's logically fluid but it's just effectively an unlikely prediction despite the rationale.
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This will be awesome i have no idea who will win here both teams are really close in skill.
Think this match will come to ace
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On March 18 2010 15:57 Xiphos wrote:
STX hwaiting! STX-KT final with Calm all kill!
THIS.
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It seems to me Zero will be sent out second to try to make sure Kal only gets one kill.
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On March 19 2010 08:16 Jaksiel wrote:
It seems to me Zero will be sent out second to try to make sure Kal only gets one kill.
If they don't send out a zerg second, they are in trouble. Modesty is a good Zerg sniper, so they either have to not use one of kwanro or zero, or send Modesty nothing but Zergs.
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On March 19 2010 08:25 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2010 08:16 Jaksiel wrote:
It seems to me Zero will be sent out second to try to make sure Kal only gets one kill. If they don't send out a zerg second, they are in trouble. Modesty is a good Zerg sniper, so they either have to not use one of kwanro or zero, or send Modesty nothing but Zergs.
Modesty is a good ZvZer but Zero can beat him, and Kwanro's ZvZ has been very good lately (although, yes, they both just lost to Action). Modesty is terrible at non-ZvZ matchups though so if he does win one Free will just wipe him out.
This match seems very even overall, each team has good sniping potential so I think this will ultimately come down to which sniper fails to snipe. That team will lose.
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Sending Kal first seems a bit surprising given that Stars have Zero who has freaking monster ZvP. But on the other hand Zero can always be sniped by Modesty who has killer ZvZ...
Should be pretty interesting match.
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ZerO free and Kwanro lineup is just scary
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