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On February 08 2010 19:27 zatic wrote:
I don't think you fully understand what happened there. Baezzi used to upload videos to the Jon747 account, and we added them to TLPD. After that whole rape thread insanity Baezzi blocked Teamliquid from embedding VODs so every single VOD on TLPD stopped working. He had videos flaming Teamliquid plastered all over his channel. He also threatened to stop uploading altogether back then and several times since then. He actually did disappear for several days up to one month over last year as well without anybody knowing what's up. This whole craziness made it necessary to establish our own VOD service in the first place. It was not his crazy political views, we couldn't care less about that.
So, in the interest of sanity for everyone working on this we don't want to have anything to do with Baezzi anymore. It has nothing to do with "us vs them" or being bitter about what happened. In the end we just want reliable VODs for TLPD which someone as unstable as Baezzi isn't a good choice for, simple as that.
Yup, thanks for the info zatic. It's unfortunate that Baezzi has a personality problem and just can't cooperate with Team Liquid. I do agree with Malinor though, that despite Baezzi's differences with Team Liquid, the Starcraft community as a whole is better off with 2 great VOD sources.
Obviously, when Nevake is getting the VODs faster than Jon747, users will switch to Nevake. Vice versa if it's Jon747. Having two great VOD sources is a plus to the entire Starcraft community, especially when it comes to attracting new fans to pro Starcraft. At the end of the day, everybody, including Team Liquid, GosuGamer, ICCUP, and even OGN and MBC benefit by having a larger world wide Starcraft audience.
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On February 08 2010 19:27 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 13:22 StarcraftMan wrote:On February 08 2010 13:08 ArsenalGunners wrote:
Put aside all the history or whatever political views he may have, its a real shame that this is happening. Discovering his channel is what really got me into pro league to begin with. In a nutshell, I agree with ArsenalGunners. Like ArsenalGunners, I'm here because I discovered the VODs on YouTube, and Jon747's channel. However, reading that thread and Baezzi's views, I disagree with Baezzi and it is unfortunate he has such viewpoints. Unfortunately, the loss of Jon747's uploads also stings the community as well. What I say is that if we give any support to Jon747/Baezzi, we do it with the disclaimer that we disagree with his viewpoints posted at TL. Specifically, if any donations are made to Jon747/Baezzi, please follow up with a comment on his youtube channel that you recognize his efforts for the Starcraft community and would like to support his work, but that you disagree with his comments made on TL. With respect to the Jon747 channel in itself, I have not seen any racist videos and I don't believe Baezzi is using that channel to promote his "misguided" views. I don't think you fully understand what happened there. Baezzi used to upload videos to the Jon747 account, and we added them to TLPD. After that whole rape thread insanity Baezzi blocked Teamliquid from embedding VODs so every single VOD on TLPD stopped working. He had videos flaming Teamliquid plastered all over his channel. He also threatened to stop uploading altogether back then and several times since then. He actually did disappear for several days up to one month over last year as well without anybody knowing what's up. This whole craziness made it necessary to establish our own VOD service in the first place. It was not his crazy political views, we couldn't care less about that. So, in the interest of sanity for everyone working on this we don't want to have anything to do with Baezzi anymore. It has nothing to do with "us vs them" or being bitter about what happened. In the end we just want reliable VODs for TLPD which someone as unstable as Baezzi isn't a good choice for, simple as that.
what? because of baezzi's personality so we can forget his works on youtube?
remember, baezzi isnt got paid. he can do whatever he want to, and we should support him.
Srsly, Who cares if beazzi has problems with TL, as long as he still vods to youtube, we should appreciate his beautiful works.
People really doesnt understand how many hours takes to upload vod, to write vod informations... I really hope there is more baezzi in the world.
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On February 08 2010 20:22 BlackYoshi wrote:
Nevake just put up yesterdays games
as long as the nevake channel posts faster, who cares?
Baezzi is off his rocker and his probably trying to extract money for this
you are an idiot
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Zurich15366 Posts
On February 08 2010 20:37 emucxg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 19:27 zatic wrote:On February 08 2010 13:22 StarcraftMan wrote:On February 08 2010 13:08 ArsenalGunners wrote:
Put aside all the history or whatever political views he may have, its a real shame that this is happening. Discovering his channel is what really got me into pro league to begin with. In a nutshell, I agree with ArsenalGunners. Like ArsenalGunners, I'm here because I discovered the VODs on YouTube, and Jon747's channel. However, reading that thread and Baezzi's views, I disagree with Baezzi and it is unfortunate he has such viewpoints. Unfortunately, the loss of Jon747's uploads also stings the community as well. What I say is that if we give any support to Jon747/Baezzi, we do it with the disclaimer that we disagree with his viewpoints posted at TL. Specifically, if any donations are made to Jon747/Baezzi, please follow up with a comment on his youtube channel that you recognize his efforts for the Starcraft community and would like to support his work, but that you disagree with his comments made on TL. With respect to the Jon747 channel in itself, I have not seen any racist videos and I don't believe Baezzi is using that channel to promote his "misguided" views. I don't think you fully understand what happened there. Baezzi used to upload videos to the Jon747 account, and we added them to TLPD. After that whole rape thread insanity Baezzi blocked Teamliquid from embedding VODs so every single VOD on TLPD stopped working. He had videos flaming Teamliquid plastered all over his channel. He also threatened to stop uploading altogether back then and several times since then. He actually did disappear for several days up to one month over last year as well without anybody knowing what's up. This whole craziness made it necessary to establish our own VOD service in the first place. It was not his crazy political views, we couldn't care less about that. So, in the interest of sanity for everyone working on this we don't want to have anything to do with Baezzi anymore. It has nothing to do with "us vs them" or being bitter about what happened. In the end we just want reliable VODs for TLPD which someone as unstable as Baezzi isn't a good choice for, simple as that. what? because of baezzi's personality so we can forget his works on youtube? remember, baezzi isnt got paid. he can do whatever he want to, and we should support him. Srsly, Who cares if beazzi has problems with TL, as long as he still vods to youtube, we should appreciate his beautiful works. People really doesnt understand how many hours takes to upload vod, to write vod informations... I really hope there is more baezzi in the world.
No, that is not was I said. All I am saying is we don't want to work with him on building a VOD backend for TLPD because of his erratic behavior. Everyone should appreciate the amount of work he is doing regardless.
Also I don't get where this is coming from since you are well aware that I understand how much work daily uploading is after I took over the nevake channel from you guys 2 years ago and have uploaded close to 5000 games since then.
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I personally think you're great zatic 
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On February 08 2010 20:46 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 20:37 emucxg wrote:On February 08 2010 19:27 zatic wrote:On February 08 2010 13:22 StarcraftMan wrote:On February 08 2010 13:08 ArsenalGunners wrote:
Put aside all the history or whatever political views he may have, its a real shame that this is happening. Discovering his channel is what really got me into pro league to begin with. In a nutshell, I agree with ArsenalGunners. Like ArsenalGunners, I'm here because I discovered the VODs on YouTube, and Jon747's channel. However, reading that thread and Baezzi's views, I disagree with Baezzi and it is unfortunate he has such viewpoints. Unfortunately, the loss of Jon747's uploads also stings the community as well. What I say is that if we give any support to Jon747/Baezzi, we do it with the disclaimer that we disagree with his viewpoints posted at TL. Specifically, if any donations are made to Jon747/Baezzi, please follow up with a comment on his youtube channel that you recognize his efforts for the Starcraft community and would like to support his work, but that you disagree with his comments made on TL. With respect to the Jon747 channel in itself, I have not seen any racist videos and I don't believe Baezzi is using that channel to promote his "misguided" views. I don't think you fully understand what happened there. Baezzi used to upload videos to the Jon747 account, and we added them to TLPD. After that whole rape thread insanity Baezzi blocked Teamliquid from embedding VODs so every single VOD on TLPD stopped working. He had videos flaming Teamliquid plastered all over his channel. He also threatened to stop uploading altogether back then and several times since then. He actually did disappear for several days up to one month over last year as well without anybody knowing what's up. This whole craziness made it necessary to establish our own VOD service in the first place. It was not his crazy political views, we couldn't care less about that. So, in the interest of sanity for everyone working on this we don't want to have anything to do with Baezzi anymore. It has nothing to do with "us vs them" or being bitter about what happened. In the end we just want reliable VODs for TLPD which someone as unstable as Baezzi isn't a good choice for, simple as that. what? because of baezzi's personality so we can forget his works on youtube? remember, baezzi isnt got paid. he can do whatever he want to, and we should support him. Srsly, Who cares if beazzi has problems with TL, as long as he still vods to youtube, we should appreciate his beautiful works. People really doesnt understand how many hours takes to upload vod, to write vod informations... I really hope there is more baezzi in the world. No, that is not was I said. All I am saying is we don't want to work with him on building a VOD backend for TLPD because of his erratic behavior. Everyone should appreciate the amount of work he is doing regardless. Also I don't get where this is coming from since you are well aware that I understand how much work daily uploading is after I took over the nevake channel from you guys 2 years ago and have uploaded close to 5000 games since then.
sorry, what I said was not for you, it was for TL.
Im mad because I hate people who watches baezzi's vods everyday and talks shit about baezzi on TL.
and people should forget what he said about japanese/korean raping, it was missunderstanding between beazzi and TL, and it was over 2 years ago!
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oh, that explains why I can't find the vods for recommended games over a month ago.
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oh man, that sucks ;(
I watch vods on youku when I can't wait for them to be uploaded on youtube, but there's this chinese guy commentating that DRIVES ME FUCKING CRAZY!
everytime he screams "oh my gawd!" I want to go kill people
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No one is underrating Baezzi's work in uploading vods everyday. Considering Baezzi's behavior I understand why TL doesn't want to colaborate with him anymore and I fully support this decision. Besides, once we get a new source, zatic's going to be on fire uploading stuff on nevake.
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Thank god we still have Nevake!
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On February 08 2010 16:36 chongu wrote:
Wow, there is more korean in that thread alone than the rest of TL.....
imo, wfbrood.com is surpisingly good/fast/reliable. thx for introducing this webby. The only drawback it seems is the chinese commentary covers the korean ones
There's a page 2 to select on that is Korean commentary. (Page 1 is chinese, Page 2 is Korean.) Note: Sometimes there won't be this selection, but I think if there isn't it's basically in Korean.
Don't know if anyone already posted anything on this, sorry if I'm doing it again
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On February 08 2010 21:30 nozaro33 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 16:36 chongu wrote:
Wow, there is more korean in that thread alone than the rest of TL.....
imo, wfbrood.com is surpisingly good/fast/reliable. thx for introducing this webby. The only drawback it seems is the chinese commentary covers the korean ones There's a page 2 to select on that is Korean commentary. (Page 1 is chinese, Page 2 is Korean.) Note: Sometimes there won't be this selection, but I think if there isn't it's basically in Korean. Don't know if anyone already posted anything on this, sorry if I'm doing it again
thanks man =)
there are always Korean commentary vods up. Chinese sometimes if available.
If there are enough interest, I think I can make a small wfbrood page in English.
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Nevermind. For the people wondering - the MBC and OGN channels aren't FTA. If someone in Asia with a satellite could get a subscription and create a private stream, our problems would be solved. . .
Anyway. . . I think we need to consider the MBC/OGN dimension of this. If they want to charge for their production, maybe we should let them. The best thing in the world would be if they made the game available for free on their site. Maybe someone could send them an email and see whats up? They probably aren't earning crap from their pay-wall - so if they put their videos on youtube and embed some commercials they would probably earn a hell of a lot more.
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Wow this is really sad . I hope someone can find a solution for this problem
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Calgary26004 Posts
On February 08 2010 20:53 emucxg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 20:46 zatic wrote:On February 08 2010 20:37 emucxg wrote:On February 08 2010 19:27 zatic wrote:On February 08 2010 13:22 StarcraftMan wrote:On February 08 2010 13:08 ArsenalGunners wrote:
Put aside all the history or whatever political views he may have, its a real shame that this is happening. Discovering his channel is what really got me into pro league to begin with. In a nutshell, I agree with ArsenalGunners. Like ArsenalGunners, I'm here because I discovered the VODs on YouTube, and Jon747's channel. However, reading that thread and Baezzi's views, I disagree with Baezzi and it is unfortunate he has such viewpoints. Unfortunately, the loss of Jon747's uploads also stings the community as well. What I say is that if we give any support to Jon747/Baezzi, we do it with the disclaimer that we disagree with his viewpoints posted at TL. Specifically, if any donations are made to Jon747/Baezzi, please follow up with a comment on his youtube channel that you recognize his efforts for the Starcraft community and would like to support his work, but that you disagree with his comments made on TL. With respect to the Jon747 channel in itself, I have not seen any racist videos and I don't believe Baezzi is using that channel to promote his "misguided" views. I don't think you fully understand what happened there. Baezzi used to upload videos to the Jon747 account, and we added them to TLPD. After that whole rape thread insanity Baezzi blocked Teamliquid from embedding VODs so every single VOD on TLPD stopped working. He had videos flaming Teamliquid plastered all over his channel. He also threatened to stop uploading altogether back then and several times since then. He actually did disappear for several days up to one month over last year as well without anybody knowing what's up. This whole craziness made it necessary to establish our own VOD service in the first place. It was not his crazy political views, we couldn't care less about that. So, in the interest of sanity for everyone working on this we don't want to have anything to do with Baezzi anymore. It has nothing to do with "us vs them" or being bitter about what happened. In the end we just want reliable VODs for TLPD which someone as unstable as Baezzi isn't a good choice for, simple as that. what? because of baezzi's personality so we can forget his works on youtube? remember, baezzi isnt got paid. he can do whatever he want to, and we should support him. Srsly, Who cares if beazzi has problems with TL, as long as he still vods to youtube, we should appreciate his beautiful works. People really doesnt understand how many hours takes to upload vod, to write vod informations... I really hope there is more baezzi in the world. No, that is not was I said. All I am saying is we don't want to work with him on building a VOD backend for TLPD because of his erratic behavior. Everyone should appreciate the amount of work he is doing regardless. Also I don't get where this is coming from since you are well aware that I understand how much work daily uploading is after I took over the nevake channel from you guys 2 years ago and have uploaded close to 5000 games since then. sorry, what I said was not for you, it was for TL. Im mad because I hate people who watches baezzi's vods everyday and talks shit about baezzi on TL. and people should forget what he said about japanese/korean raping, it was missunderstanding between beazzi and TL, and it was over 2 years ago!
Right the real problem here is sc2gg. Let's bring back the rivalry!
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His nick insnt Jon747, its Baezzi.
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On February 08 2010 12:16 EvoChamber wrote:
I know Team Liquid is known as a massive building, but how are we going to cope with this??
Wait a little bit longer for the nevake uploads?
They get uploaded eventually
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On February 08 2010 21:49 emucxg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2010 21:30 nozaro33 wrote:On February 08 2010 16:36 chongu wrote:
Wow, there is more korean in that thread alone than the rest of TL.....
imo, wfbrood.com is surpisingly good/fast/reliable. thx for introducing this webby. The only drawback it seems is the chinese commentary covers the korean ones There's a page 2 to select on that is Korean commentary. (Page 1 is chinese, Page 2 is Korean.) Note: Sometimes there won't be this selection, but I think if there isn't it's basically in Korean. Don't know if anyone already posted anything on this, sorry if I'm doing it again thanks man =) there are always Korean commentary vods up. Chinese sometimes if available. If there are enough interest, I think I can make a small wfbrood page in English.
While I do agree that wfbrood always uploads vods very fast after the games are over, youku loads really slow for me, doesnt matter if I'm at home or using the internet from the dorms. It would still be a good idea though.
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On February 08 2010 21:10 FirstBorn wrote:
No one is underrating Baezzi's work in uploading vods everyday. Considering Baezzi's behavior I understand why TL doesn't want to colaborate with him anymore and I fully support this decision. Besides, once we get a new source, zatic's going to be on fire uploading stuff on nevake.
TL uses Yaoyuan vods, so I think nevake won't be disrupted.
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On February 08 2010 23:01 ICanFlyLow wrote:
His nick insnt Jon747, its Baezzi.
Actually it's 'BaeZZi'.
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