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WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
January 26 2010 22:54 GMT
#201
On January 27 2010 01:11 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2010 01:05 FranzF1 wrote:
Actually I dont like this interview at all, yeah maybe Flash got owned by Kespa but he is insulting Jaedong.

He is saying:
1) I lost cus I didnt have a heater
2) I won like every normal game
3) Kespa owned me
4) I dont want to play so I lost

So he is saying that Jaedong only won by externals things and I think that Jaedong won because he was more prepared that Flash, its a shame that everything went like that but he just need to say: "Hey Kespa owned me in game 3" but not give escuse for the rest of the games.

And I totally called Live I wrote here on TL first: IT WASNT A REPLAY lol.
Well I hope for a rematch on the next OSL final... OSL needs to use the Kespa rankings seed.
The lack of a heater is a pretty serious issue =/ infact it was them bringing in the heater to warm up flash that caused the power to go out. Irony eh?


It's not just that. When you are nervous, your hands get colder than they otherwise would. That explains why Jaedong's hands were not as cold. He was in full rage mode, and not nervous in the least. Flash was doing something nobody had done in a while, playing in the second's starleague final after winning the first one at the same time. That's why the lack of a heater affected his game more than the Dong's.
WWJDD??
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
January 26 2010 22:57 GMT
#202
On January 27 2010 05:51 citi.zen wrote:
Set three was obviously a tough moment for both of them, the question is: how do you handle it? Before he even heard the decision, Flash was already panicky and lost. Jaedong is a bit older, more used to that sort of attention and was able to keep calmer. The actual decision did make a difference, but a player who was more strong minded can actually find motivation in being treated unfairly, rather than fall apart.

I think this was a great growing experience for Flash and there is no doubt the future looks bright for him.


Also, it's easier to stay calm when the decision goes in your favour. You don't have the baggage the other guy has because he's on the brink of elimination. Not that Jaedong would have panicked as much as Flash did should the situation have been reversed. He was simply more experienced in playing in Starleague finals. What was this, his 7th?

Rabid JD fanboy here if you can't tell from my sig.
WWJDD??
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
January 26 2010 22:58 GMT
#203
On January 27 2010 06:43 AtomicReaction wrote:
When I was watching the finals live, I could not believe that Flash managed to go right over after the match and congratulate Jaedong. I know it wasn't his fault, but still. How do you just bite the bullet and smile to the guy that just beat you in a situation like that?

Props to Flash for being way more of a good sport than I could ever be.


It helps if he's a good friend of yours.
WWJDD??
saturns2k
Profile Joined December 2008
United States19 Posts
January 26 2010 23:02 GMT
#204
On January 27 2010 00:29 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2010 00:25 fallingdream wrote:
On January 27 2010 00:22 Kyuki wrote:
<3 Flash.

He was defeated in Game3 though - I cant belive people even disagree with this.


If Flash says he had a decent chance, he had a decent chance and that's the end of it.

Flash is perhaps more biased than most. He's also pissed off with them so even if he knows they made the right call he'd be unlikely to absolve them.
Flash's opinion on someone else's game would be invaluable but on his own game he's hardly impartial. Just for reference, Fantasy said that the refs made the right call.


That won't matter. If you actually read his thread, he is more pissed off at how KeSPA did to make that judgement rather then judgement is fair or not. He said there was no replay, nor there wasn't a way to check resource and control count in reasonable way. If you are a thief charged without evidence, you probably think it's unfair either.
Soledad
Profile Joined January 2010
United States37 Posts
January 26 2010 23:05 GMT
#205
Fire the referees

and fire the dumbass who didn't give flash a heater in game 1

flash could have taken this easily

game 1, game 3, and game 4 could have been a 3-0 MSL easily for flash

ffs
ㅋㄲㅈㅁ
saturns2k
Profile Joined December 2008
United States19 Posts
January 26 2010 23:05 GMT
#206
On January 27 2010 01:05 FranzF1 wrote:
Actually I dont like this interview at all, yeah maybe Flash got owned by Kespa but he is insulting Jaedong.

He is saying:
1) I lost cus I didnt have a heater
2) I won like every normal game
3) Kespa owned me
4) I dont want to play so I lost

So he is saying that Jaedong only won by externals things and I think that Jaedong won because he was more prepared that Flash, its a shame that everything went like that but he just need to say: "Hey Kespa owned me in game 3" but not give escuse for the rest of the games.

And I totally called Live I wrote here on TL first: IT WASNT A REPLAY lol.
Well I hope for a rematch on the next OSL final... OSL needs to use the Kespa rankings seed.


Wow.. I feel sorry if you actually read and understand his interview that way. That's just sad.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
January 26 2010 23:09 GMT
#207
On January 27 2010 07:57 WWJDD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2010 05:51 citi.zen wrote:
Set three was obviously a tough moment for both of them, the question is: how do you handle it? Before he even heard the decision, Flash was already panicky and lost. Jaedong is a bit older, more used to that sort of attention and was able to keep calmer. The actual decision did make a difference, but a player who was more strong minded can actually find motivation in being treated unfairly, rather than fall apart.

I think this was a great growing experience for Flash and there is no doubt the future looks bright for him.


Also, it's easier to stay calm when the decision goes in your favour. You don't have the baggage the other guy has because he's on the brink of elimination. Not that Jaedong would have panicked as much as Flash did should the situation have been reversed. He was simply more experienced in playing in Starleague finals. What was this, his 7th?

Rabid JD fanboy here if you can't tell from my sig.


This was Flashs 6th if you count the GomTV finals
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
January 26 2010 23:13 GMT
#208
On January 27 2010 08:05 saturns2k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2010 01:05 FranzF1 wrote:
Actually I dont like this interview at all, yeah maybe Flash got owned by Kespa but he is insulting Jaedong.

He is saying:
1) I lost cus I didnt have a heater
2) I won like every normal game
3) Kespa owned me
4) I dont want to play so I lost

So he is saying that Jaedong only won by externals things and I think that Jaedong won because he was more prepared that Flash, its a shame that everything went like that but he just need to say: "Hey Kespa owned me in game 3" but not give escuse for the rest of the games.

And I totally called Live I wrote here on TL first: IT WASNT A REPLAY lol.
Well I hope for a rematch on the next OSL final... OSL needs to use the Kespa rankings seed.


Wow.. I feel sorry if you actually read and understand his interview that way. That's just sad.

LOL I have no idea how someone comes up with an interpretation like that. It's just like when all the Bisu haters jump into a Bisu interview thread and bitch about every tiny thing. They say they're reading between the lines but in actuality it's just how biased they are.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
bmml
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom962 Posts
January 26 2010 23:23 GMT
#209
Awesome interview, nice to hear Flash is moving on although he wasnt top form today he'll get there soon and when he does I'll be cheering!
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25978 Posts
January 26 2010 23:31 GMT
#210
On January 27 2010 03:34 Vasoline73 wrote:
Kwark I'm sorry to take the bait and could continue in another thread if we have to but it seems like you're basically accusing Flash of lying because he doesnt agree with your strongly held viewpoint. When the player who was in the game, knew what he had (no one else did) and has the best TvZ of all time says he was still in it doesn't that make you rethink your opinion?

It's not like he's blindly angry, he's had days to analyze his own VOD, I think that should speak for its self. What's done is done and I'm not mad anymore but it seems like you're picking and choosing as you please in regards to what happened that night. (imo)

Anyways who cares now I guess. I'm just wondering because from my perspective it seems strange

LOL my exact thoughts.
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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
January 26 2010 23:33 GMT
#211
On January 27 2010 01:34 Roffles wrote:
While I think Flash handled the situation rather well from a media perspective, I think his attitude in game 4 was pretty poor. Sure, you can be emotionally drained and whatnot, but that's not the heart of a champion. Gotta struggle through everything until victory. With the way Flash was playing, he DEFINITELY could have won, yet it seemed as if he just gave up in game 4. This interview pretty much proves it as well. You ain't gonna win with a mindset of "I can't win anymore". No matter the situation, just gotta get through it.


Comments like these are said by people that haven't been put into a situation such as that.

The different clusterfucks that all came together for that series is very unique. You cannot possibly understand the amount of emotional stress someone goes through in a situation like that. Consider his age, what happened to his father, the decision, the position of the game he was in, and how much was riding on that decision.

Don't be so uppity and say "Just fight through it," when it is very likely that you would have collapsed just as Flash did. I have seen people with great mental fortitude just break down from a situation that culminates in such a manner.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
WaveMotion
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States147 Posts
January 26 2010 23:34 GMT
#212
Ahh nice read
In heaven, everything is fine.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 26 2010 23:52 GMT
#213
Flash is so incredibly mature for his age. Arguments about "who would win" aside, what the refs did is horrible, lying to Flash and his team like that about what info they had. Completely understandable that his team and father got angry at being lied to.

Looks like Flash has put it behind him though, and hopefully everyone else can too.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
StarcraftMan
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada507 Posts
January 27 2010 00:01 GMT
#214
On January 27 2010 03:34 Vasoline73 wrote:
Kwark I'm sorry to take the bait and could continue in another thread if we have to but it seems like you're basically accusing Flash of lying because he doesnt agree with your strongly held viewpoint. When the player who was in the game, knew what he had (no one else did) and has the best TvZ of all time says he was still in it doesn't that make you rethink your opinion?

It's not like he's blindly angry, he's had days to analyze his own VOD, I think that should speak for its self. What's done is done and I'm not mad anymore but it seems like you're picking and choosing as you please in regards to what happened that night. (imo)

Anyways who cares now I guess. I'm just wondering because from my perspective it seems strange


Kwark will never get it. The best TvZ of all time who was the only one who knew what exactly was being built and what his mineral/gas count was must know less than Kwark, LOL
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-27 00:06:56
January 27 2010 00:05 GMT
#215
screw these korean manners. its obvious he wants to say jd didnt deserve the series, why doesnt he just do it instead of being passive-aggressive and insinuating it.


I lost everything at that moment; confidence and will to do anything.

rofl
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
January 27 2010 00:13 GMT
#216
Nice interview. Flash is a swell kid.
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
thestool91
Profile Joined August 2007
672 Posts
January 27 2010 00:16 GMT
#217
it is no doubt jaedong had the advantage, but is flash not the player who is the most capable of pulling upsets? there have been many games where people thought flash lost, but he held on and he won.

the game against jaedong in the SWL ace match is a smaller version of what happened imo. jaedong had the advantage, and flash with the "all in, not really though" push got jaedong.

i cannot say i am not biased, but it seems like if flash was in taht advantage and there was a power out, a rematch would have been something i would have agreed with. maybe both of them choosing a different map, because the map for set 3 is heavily terran favored

nonetheless, i just hate kespa.
the dreamer, mantoss, storm zerg, the cowboy, the spark terran, the ultimate weapon...what more can i say? GO KTF
etch
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada176 Posts
January 27 2010 00:17 GMT
#218
Flash said: But we're best friends

my favourite part
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51425 Posts
January 27 2010 00:18 GMT
#219
While I somehow respect the decision KeSPA made in such a dire decision during the MSL finals, it totally disgusts me the way they decided to act during the Winners League match (according to Flash).
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NeCroPoTeNce
Profile Joined July 2009
United States513 Posts
January 27 2010 00:36 GMT
#220
Wow, Flash is so baller, being able to make a joke when he's still really pissed about the Kespa referees.
zerg all the way! Lee Jaedong hwaiting
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