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l10f
United States3241 Posts
From EsX_Raptor's recent blog:
On December 04 2009 08:06 EsX_Raptor wrote:
This is an idea that came into my mind not long ago. It is pretty simple and I think it would be pretty fun to be a part of if it ever happens.
A set of "coaches" will be picking up pupils whom they will be training for a couple of months or so and after this period of time is over, the teams will have some sort of cw to see which coach trained their pupils the best.
Of course the trainees should be of around D- to C- icc level and the coaches at least around B-. And like any normal team, they can have their own tags, logos, etc, but this is up to the coach and how he wishes to train his students.
What do you guys think?
Who will be interested in a league like this? (Apparently, SC2GG did something very similar to this).
Well, we'll need at least 6+ teams, and each team will have to have at least 5 players and a coach. I'm thinking about D- ~ D+ range for the players, and C and above for coaches, but it will really depend on who wants to participate.
It would be a great learning experience for the players, and it will also be fun for the coaches. Maybe we can even throw in something for the winning coach.
In order to keep the teams fair, we would have to run a pre-league tournament with all the players to be able to separate the players by levels, then assign them equally to each team.
If enough people want to play, we can get this going, probably after the TSL ladder stages are over. The ideal time the matches take place would be around 1~2PM Saturday EST (18:00 to 19:00 CET). That way, people in Europe and Americas can both participate without having to stay up too late.
Of course, none of this will matter if not enough people want to play, so we can discuss the format, time etc. after seeing who would actually be interested in this.
So if you're interested, post what position you want to be (Coach/Player) and your approximate iCCup rank. Only post if you're really willing to play throughout the league and willing to spend time in this.
I think this would be really interesting, what do you think?
EDIT: I will be posting Signup/Polls thread later today, I will also PM everyone who has shown interest on this thread in case they don't notice it 
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Katowice25012 Posts
This is an awesome idea and I fully support it, good luck getting it all going
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
That'd be a pretty sweet idea, especially for those who are getting coached to get some input from higher level players.
And if this ever did go through, I'd be more than willing to participate. D- toss for the win. =D
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konadora
Singapore66155 Posts
that's pretty awesome, but I probably won't play because of time difference. The last time I played at TL Arena, it was 3am t_t
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I'd love to do this. Player/D-D+
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
This is a fun idea.
I'd be willing to participate
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I'd like to take part in this, I was hoping to get about to some mass-gaming next ICCup season when I have more time anyway so this would be a nice aid for improvement. D zerg player.
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Even though I'm new I'd love to take part in this as a player. I'm fairly new to SC however and am D- toss.
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I could coach if you want a C/C+ terran player, but if better players show up then definitely count me out.
edit: is it fair to have a couple guys coach one team? or does coaching have to be solo? I'm thinking about making pokebunny+spritelove co-coach team if he agrees but not sure if this would be allowed. However, there's nothing to stop me from just asking him to help out either way so I guess it could be implemented, as long as you don't get a ridiculous imbalance of coaches for some reason.
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I'd love to see something like this get off the ground either as a player or a spectator. I would be really interesting to see the progress of the players over time
If you need help with anything including photo/video editing let me know, I'd be happy to help.
Also, I'd be quite interested in being one of the players as well, D level Protoss here.
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I'd play, looking to get back into Starcraft. (Player, D+ level Terran).
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Why don't you just mandate that everyone who wants to participate has play a set number of games in the TSL.
Then, you don't have to assess their skill levels, their race, they're active enough to put in enough games, all that good stuff.
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This is a really amazing idea, I'd be willing to play as long as the times were good.
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On December 04 2009 11:55 thunk wrote:
Why don't you just mandate that everyone who wants to participate has play a set number of games in the TSL.
Then, you don't have to assess their skill levels, their race, they're active enough to put in enough games, all that good stuff.
Hmm, that might work. This is only a thread to see how many people would be interested, so we can consider stuff like that later
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If my schedule allows it id definitely play.
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Yeah I would desperately want to play in this, it seems like a great idea. I'm D+ C- borderline player.
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I would play, but do you think there would be enough teachers?
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On December 04 2009 11:58 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2009 11:55 thunk wrote:
Why don't you just mandate that everyone who wants to participate has play a set number of games in the TSL.
Then, you don't have to assess their skill levels, their race, they're active enough to put in enough games, all that good stuff. Hmm, that might work. This is only a thread to see how many people would be interested, so we can consider stuff like that later
Respond to my post D:
FYI I didn't play TSL, how fair is that? You can't just assume everyone on TL plays in TSL..
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This is a really cool idea
I'm C- high, but have been pretty inactive so I'm probably closer to D+ now, would def be interested
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God, someone coach me. (D--) I don't even use iccup after I downloaded it.
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On December 04 2009 12:00 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2009 11:58 l10f wrote:On December 04 2009 11:55 thunk wrote:
Why don't you just mandate that everyone who wants to participate has play a set number of games in the TSL.
Then, you don't have to assess their skill levels, their race, they're active enough to put in enough games, all that good stuff. Hmm, that might work. This is only a thread to see how many people would be interested, so we can consider stuff like that later Respond to my post D: FYI I didn't play TSL, how fair is that? You can't just assume everyone on TL plays in TSL..
Yeah, that's true. I think most of the players willing to coach will be in C+/B- range. If there are enough coaches, I guess we can allow doubling up I haven't given too much thought about format yet.
Yeah, it may be too much for one person to take care of 5 people.
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i'm a D+ level player and i think this would be really cool =)
but i would only have time during the weekends/breaks
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On December 04 2009 12:02 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2009 12:00 Pokebunny wrote:On December 04 2009 11:58 l10f wrote:On December 04 2009 11:55 thunk wrote:
Why don't you just mandate that everyone who wants to participate has play a set number of games in the TSL.
Then, you don't have to assess their skill levels, their race, they're active enough to put in enough games, all that good stuff. Hmm, that might work. This is only a thread to see how many people would be interested, so we can consider stuff like that later Respond to my post D: FYI I didn't play TSL, how fair is that? You can't just assume everyone on TL plays in TSL.. Yeah, that's true. I think most of the players willing to coach will be in C+/B- range. If there are enough coaches, I guess we can allow doubling up I haven't given too much thought about format yet.
I'm C+ high and SpriteLove is B high... I wonder if we'll get any ~B+ level players from TL to do it (stylish/oystein/kwark/shauni/etc)
TBH you can't stop people from getting outside help anyways.
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i would love to play in something like this
D/D- protoss
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I would definitely participate D+ here. After Christmas would be a good time to start since I'm sure a lot of people here are in college and have finals these coming weeks.
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United States1865 Posts
I'm D+/ C- high player and would be interested in giving this a shot haha
would be fun to finally break the C- barrier for good!
or learn some cool cheeses
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On December 04 2009 12:04 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2009 12:02 l10f wrote:On December 04 2009 12:00 Pokebunny wrote:On December 04 2009 11:58 l10f wrote:On December 04 2009 11:55 thunk wrote:
Why don't you just mandate that everyone who wants to participate has play a set number of games in the TSL.
Then, you don't have to assess their skill levels, their race, they're active enough to put in enough games, all that good stuff. Hmm, that might work. This is only a thread to see how many people would be interested, so we can consider stuff like that later Respond to my post D: FYI I didn't play TSL, how fair is that? You can't just assume everyone on TL plays in TSL.. Yeah, that's true. I think most of the players willing to coach will be in C+/B- range. If there are enough coaches, I guess we can allow doubling up I haven't given too much thought about format yet. I'm C+ high and SpriteLove is B high... I wonder if we'll get any ~B+ level players from TL to do it (stylish/oystein/kwark/shauni/etc)
That would be awesome if they could spend time on this!
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This is the best idea ever. I'd like to be a pupil please. I've been meaning to get back into starcraft and this seems like the perfect way to do it! I'm about D/D-  .
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I'd like to do this but i wouldn't be able to show up much due to having a full time job basically T_T
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On December 04 2009 12:02 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2009 12:00 Pokebunny wrote:On December 04 2009 11:58 l10f wrote:On December 04 2009 11:55 thunk wrote:
Why don't you just mandate that everyone who wants to participate has play a set number of games in the TSL.
Then, you don't have to assess their skill levels, their race, they're active enough to put in enough games, all that good stuff. Hmm, that might work. This is only a thread to see how many people would be interested, so we can consider stuff like that later Respond to my post D: FYI I didn't play TSL, how fair is that? You can't just assume everyone on TL plays in TSL.. Yeah, that's true. I think most of the players willing to coach will be in C+/B- range. If there are enough coaches, I guess we can allow doubling up I haven't given too much thought about format yet. Yeah, it may be too much for one person to take care of 5 people.
Like it's easy to vet the coaches. If you're C/B and have an account to prove it, it's easy to assume you know the time required and know whether or can be reliable throughout the process.
It's a little harder to vet the D/D+/C- players.
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Great idea! D level zerg here...would definitely be interested in playing if something like this starts up.
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I'm a D/D+ level player and would love to participate in this.
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I'd love to participate as a player, D+/C- Zerg.
I can't play until the TSL ladder stage is over (exams). But then I have winter break and will be perfectly able to apply myself to this. I was already planning on seeing how far I could go during break, and having a coach and a tournament would surely help my progress. I have a feeling many people are in the same situation and it would be a shame to exclude us by using the TSL ladder as a qualifier .
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would be awesome to do this
haven't played many games on my iccup account, but D/D- zerg
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Sounds awesome, I'd really love to do this. D+ Zerg player, so obviously I'm looking to play rather than coach
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Yeah this sounds like a great idea, I'm willing to join d minus protoss
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I recently made C- and I play protoss. I would love to do this, but would I be too high ranked? I have tons of free time over the next few months and plan on mass gaming anyways.
My only problem is that you said games would be played early morning EST. That means super early for those of us on the west coast. I would rather play really late then really early. I usually sleep from 3am-1pm or so.
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Totally missed reading the match time. Why would it be early morning EST? Any specific reason you chose this time ? 0o
I would think something like 1 PM EST would suit everyone best
10-1 in america, 5-7 in Europe, and if Asia/Aus really wants to sneak in... (doubt they could with this timeslot though.)
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Hello this looks like a really good idea haha
i would love to take part in this as a student haha
my rank is in the VERY low D+ hhahaha
it would be great if i had a teacher haha
Thanks for the idea
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C- TvZ
C- TvT
D TvP T_T Heps meh please.
This sounds cool as hell.
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On December 04 2009 12:13 Pokebunny wrote:
Totally missed reading the match time. Why would it be early morning EST? Any specific reason you chose this time ? 0o
I would think something like 1 PM EST would suit everyone best
10-1 in america, 5-7 in Europe, and if Asia/Aus really wants to sneak in... (doubt they could with this timeslot though.)
When I said early I meant more like 2PM-ish. My bad for not clarifying.
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gah cool idea but
i'm a hs junior no time X_x
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id be interested in getting a coach :D im a D- zerg
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This sounds great to me. The description reminds me a lot of my CSL experience. Getting D/D+ players together and training them to play against other D/D+ players can be a lot of fun.
Don't think I can commit to it, however. I'm right on the C-/C border and thus right between my confidence in playing and coaching according to the rules. More importantly, I'm not sure if I have the time. :|.
l10f, maybe I can help you out by casting the games or something. PM me as things develop.
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SpriteLove: "ye its gonna be like playing pokemon but w/ sc players"
ROFL ahhahaha
spritelove+pokebunny co-coaching! #1 team! i'm already excited :x
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I am C- high but solid D+ cause I can't win on C-..I am a zerg player.
Though when will matches be played..because I have school, but I get 2 weeks for Christmas break.
EDIT: I reread the thread, I would love to play as a player!
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I'm a D+/C- Zerg and Saturday afternoon would be a great time for me. This is a really cool idea.
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this is nice i would be a pupil
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is it going to be a league with random teams ? coachs isnt supposed to play right ? Otherwise i'd like to be in as a coach since I got some free times, depend the timezone of this event (always hard to play not too late with Americans players)
When does it start ? and for how long time ? thank you for the infos
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C- protoss, willing to be both coach or pupil
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D Zerg, i've been looking for some sort of motivation and incentive to actually start practicing and this just might be it for me
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On December 04 2009 12:39 SarenS wrote:is it going to be a league with random teams ? coachs isnt supposed to play right ? Otherwise i'd like to be in as a coach since I got some free times, depend the timezone of this event (always hard to play not too late with Americans players) When does it start ? and for how long time ? thank you for the infos
We're just seeing how many people would participate to know if we should start this or not. Coaches will most likely not play, but coordinate the team and help their team improve. If you're in CET, it will probably be around 8PM Saturday night, but you need to be able to meet with your players and help them improve throughout the week. (Well, this is up to you) It will probably start after the end of TSL Ladder Stage, and probably will last for a while.
What is your iCCup rank? As you can see, there are a lot of players that want to play, but not that many people who are willing to coach. It would be very nice if you could participate.
Teams will most likely be made to be fair, not random.
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interested as a player if it is in a timewindow of 19:00 - 03:00 CET.
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I'll play at the D level. I don't play a lot so I think this would encourage me to improve and play more games. I think I would improve pretty quickly too. I play TvZ/TvP/PvT but I'll of course switch to TvT since that makes things easier.
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On December 04 2009 12:46 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2009 12:39 SarenS wrote:is it going to be a league with random teams ? coachs isnt supposed to play right ? Otherwise i'd like to be in as a coach since I got some free times, depend the timezone of this event (always hard to play not too late with Americans players) When does it start ? and for how long time ? thank you for the infos We're just seeing how many people would participate to know if we should start this or not. Coaches will most likely not play, but coordinate the team and help their team improve. If you're in CET, it will probably be around 8PM Saturday night, but you need to be able to meet with your players and help them improve throughout the week. (Well, this is up to you) It will probably start after the end of TSL Ladder Stage, and probably will last for a while. What is your iCCup rank? As you can see, there are a lot of players that want to play, but not that many people who are willing to coach. It would be very nice if you could participate. Teams will most likely be made to be fair, not random.
SarenS is really good player around B+ A- Terran.
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16968 Posts
I'd love to participate in this and would be available to play.
D+ kinda Protoss kinda Terra kinda Zerg.
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D/D+ Protoss
Would LOVE to play. Commented on it in his blog already. Would be willing to help with organization/anything else as well.
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SarenS is a top foreigner playing for ESC... anyone getting coached by him should feel very blessed xD
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I'm a D Protoss and have been playing for 2-3 weeks now. I try to get in 2-3 games a day and Saturdays are perfect. EDIT: from Canada
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This is an excellent idea.
If it goes through, D/D+ (ZvP>ZvZ>ZvT) Zerg ready to own? :D
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Sounds like a really great idea. But ATM, it seems it's attracting a lot more pupils than coaches. Then again, we only need so many coaches. Hope to see/work with more advanced players here on TL =)
Pupil
D Protoss
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Very interested! Clinging on to D for dear life. Could do with some coaching and enjoy playing competitively. Where do I sign up?
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I support this kind of idea! It would only bring closer our great community!
C-/low C Terran here, sign me up for a team! :D
edit:ofc pupil
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On December 04 2009 13:06 IceCube wrote:
I support this kind of idea! It would only bring closer our great community!
C-/low C Terran here, sign me up for a team! :D
edit:ofc pupil
If you're C-/C why don't you coach . This is more for the D- ~ D+ players
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I think this would be an awesome idea.
D+ Protoss player
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MrMoose
Canada176 Posts
I would definitely be interested in playing in this
D Terran (woo terran!)
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On December 04 2009 13:11 Pokebunny wrote:
So many pupils wow o_o ;
Yeah, all we have to do is get some high leveled players to sign up as coaches
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I hope more coaches join in on this because I would love to participate as a player (D terran).
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On December 04 2009 13:08 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2009 13:06 IceCube wrote:
I support this kind of idea! It would only bring closer our great community!
C-/low C Terran here, sign me up for a team! :D
edit:ofc pupil If you're C-/C why don't you coach . This is more for the D- ~ D+ players
There are more than enough B- players on TL to fulfill the requirement; I wouldn't be surprised if over 300 TL members are rank B- or higher. We only need a fraction of them to participate, so I imagine that at least 6 of them would be willing to do this. Just let them find this thread first .
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I'm sorta worried about skill division of coaches with A- level players and C level players though :x
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On December 04 2009 13:08 l10f wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2009 13:06 IceCube wrote:
I support this kind of idea! It would only bring closer our great community!
C-/low C Terran here, sign me up for a team! :D
edit:ofc pupil If you're C-/C why don't you coach . This is more for the D- ~ D+ players
Yeah I would but if I can get coached by the man himself (SarenS) I would not miss the chance...and I belive there is much better players than me out there so...yeah I would want to rather learn form better and have fun with the crew!
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whoa i'd do this. D protoss
depends on the times though.. :p
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On December 04 2009 13:13 Pokebunny wrote:
I'm sorta worried about skill division of coaches with A- level players and C level players though :x
We can take care of that by pairing high leveled coaches with lower leveled coaches.
or give higher leveld coaches lower leveled player (evil laughs)
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C- and would like to be a pupil :D I am very interested in playing.
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On December 04 2009 13:13 Pokebunny wrote:
I'm sorta worried about skill division of coaches with A- level players and C level players though :x
I mean, there isn't a whole lot more an A player can teach a D, D+ player than a C+ player can. When the most important thing to learn is basic macro and micro and maybe a couple easy BO's, either rank could teach fine.
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Meh, obviously I'd love to learn from SarenS lol... but some people will have to coach =/
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Yea this sounds great, count me in
I'm D/D+ zerg
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On December 04 2009 13:17 Try wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2009 13:13 Pokebunny wrote:
I'm sorta worried about skill division of coaches with A- level players and C level players though :x I mean, there isn't a whole lot more an A player can teach a D, D+ player than a C+ player can. When the most important thing to learn is basic macro and micro and maybe a couple easy BO's, either rank could teach fine.
very true, but an A- player clearly has much better game knowledge.
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On December 04 2009 11:49 Pokebunny wrote:
I could coach if you want a C/C+ terran player, but if better players show up then definitely count me out.
edit: is it fair to have a couple guys coach one team? or does coaching have to be solo? I'm thinking about making pokebunny+spritelove co-coach team if he agrees but not sure if this would be allowed. However, there's nothing to stop me from just asking him to help out either way so I guess it could be implemented, as long as you don't get a ridiculous imbalance of coaches for some reason.
Yeah, I guess having spritelove alone as a coach would be a bit too imba, this is a good idea.
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
On December 04 2009 13:17 Try wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2009 13:13 Pokebunny wrote:
I'm sorta worried about skill division of coaches with A- level players and C level players though :x I mean, there isn't a whole lot more an A player can teach a D, D+ player than a C+ player can. When the most important thing to learn is basic macro and micro and maybe a couple easy BO's, either rank could teach fine.
That's true. Okay I'm REALLY going sleep now, I'll post Signup/Poll for format thread tomorrow since it looks like we'll have more than enough players. We'll see tomorrow.
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On December 04 2009 13:18 Pokebunny wrote:
Meh, obviously I'd love to learn from SarenS lol... but some people will have to coach =/
Yeah, but this is supposed to be beginner-friendly, not like C+ rank player trying to rank up to Blue xD. I would love to learn from Day9... get him to do this!!!
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I would be very interested in being a student. D high Protoss.
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On December 04 2009 13:19 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2009 11:49 Pokebunny wrote:
I could coach if you want a C/C+ terran player, but if better players show up then definitely count me out.
edit: is it fair to have a couple guys coach one team? or does coaching have to be solo? I'm thinking about making pokebunny+spritelove co-coach team if he agrees but not sure if this would be allowed. However, there's nothing to stop me from just asking him to help out either way so I guess it could be implemented, as long as you don't get a ridiculous imbalance of coaches for some reason. Yeah, I guess having spritelove alone as a coach would be a bit too imba, this is a good idea.
... what the hell do you have against me -_-
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It was just a joke, sorry.
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how many teams is this league going to have and will it be like proleague? :D
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I'm down to play! D+ Terran
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I would be willing to participate as a coach. My current rank is B+.
edit: oh yeah, btw, i play Zerg
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I'll coach, I can't devote ALOT of time though, my players would have to be able to practice with each other without me there sometimes(maybe often not sure yet).
My iccup name is ToT)AeriALs(
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I'm a D/D- Terran. Would like to participate. Can put in an hour or two every night.
I play under the alias [Groove].
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Looking for a coach!!! im a protoss D+/C-
really nice idea =)
maybe Nony or Oystein are available for be my coach?? XD
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United States4796 Posts
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D/D+ Protoss, please sign me up if this happens!
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Im a D+ Zerg that plays at least 4-5 games a day that would LOVE to do this.
Count me in.
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This sounds like the Liquid Kickball League that happened [and stopped after 3 weeks].
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99926
The lack of commitment from the players will hurt it a lot but this can have a lot of potential. Having being part of it I really hope you guys stay committed and coaches taking initiative to come together as a team. I probably won't have time for this but I hope this comes out great =).
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Ooo ooo count me in! D- Terran my TvZ might be D but TvP and TvT are absolutely horrible...
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I'd be interested. D- Zerg here.
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This has to carry some price for the pupils so it doesnt become like kickball. For example, if you dont participate even after putting your name down for it, you get an XX day ban from TL
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Interested. D+/C- Protoss
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i'm pretty interested.D- terran here though.
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I would be extremely interested in this
D Terran/Toss
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On December 04 2009 13:13 Pokebunny wrote:
I'm sorta worried about skill division of coaches with A- level players and C level players though :x
Being a good player doesn't necessary mean being a good teacher. I think it would be really interesting to see the interteam competition to see who is the best coach. I think if each team is large enough, ~5-6 pupils distributed fairly or randomly amongst the coachs, the genius pupil anomalies would even out. In the end, the team abilities would probably be based on coaching. If the players do become committed, I think this is a great experience for the coachs as well.
On December 04 2009 14:12 TheAntZ wrote:
This has to carry some price for the pupils so it doesnt become like kickball. For example, if you dont participate even after putting your name down for it, you get an XX day ban from TL
I agree; the pupils would really need to put in time. This is a great idea.
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I'd love to be the pupil if someone wants to train me ^_^
I have work and school, so I would have to have games around that though.
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Interested :D. D protoss/terran over here
School would be an issue tho :p
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On December 04 2009 14:37 ccou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2009 13:13 Pokebunny wrote:
I'm sorta worried about skill division of coaches with A- level players and C level players though :x Being a good player doesn't necessary mean being a good teacher. I think it would be really interesting to see the interteam competition to see who is the best coach. I think if each team is large enough, ~5-6 pupils distributed fairly or randomly amongst the coachs, the genius pupil anomalies would even out. In the end, the team abilities would probably be based on coaching. If the players do become committed, I think this is a great experience for the coachs as well. Show nested quote +On December 04 2009 14:12 TheAntZ wrote:
This has to carry some price for the pupils so it doesnt become like kickball. For example, if you dont participate even after putting your name down for it, you get an XX day ban from TL I agree; the pupils would really need to put in time. This is a great idea.
Yep. It would be good.
Fortunately, the time period this is planned for is going to be between classes for me, when I don't have a job at all. So I would be able to devote a considerable amount of time to it, and most college students would likely be in similar circumstances.
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I would be interested for sure.
D T/Z
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I'd be interested depending on the time commitment required
D+ P
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I WILL COMMIT MY LIFE TO THIS IF YOU ACCEPT ME
D ran, but I just started: i don't really know how good/fail I am :/
hello-goodbye on iccup
edit: it seems like there are way too many player - wannabes, so if we get accepted, do we get a pm?
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My mechanics blow ass. I would like to join this as well.
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I would be interested in playing
I'm a C-/C toss
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I would love to be a part of this. The main problem I had last time was making a date to start the and with the default time It should be awesome I am d+ so I'm assume that I am a player. (when I say d+ i basically mean good pvt that keeps me at d+ and low level pvz and pvp).
edit: Also if there is a lack of coaching just having a group of players meet regularly and discuss I think would help if this can be made happen.
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C- Protoss here looking for help in proper macro/multitasking but I'm willing to help anybody under my skill level if they want. PsyoniCReaveR or mG.PsyoniC on iccup. Just add me and talk to me and I'll play/help.
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I'd be interested. I am D level Zerg. It sounds like a lot of fun.
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Awesome idea. I'm interested. D+ Zerg
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is teacher to student randomized?
I'm down, D+ Zerg
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I would definitely be committed to this if you guys do it.
I'm a D/D+ Protoss player.
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United States4126 Posts
D+ Terran (pupil of course D: ).
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i might be interested in doing this as a teacher, b+ toss/zerg
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On December 04 2009 15:47 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
i might be interested in doing this as a teacher, b+ zvp pvz pvt
what the fuck i quoted instead of edited -.-
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this is fantastic, after the tsl ladders are over i'll be home for a month between classes with plenty of time to put into this. D/D+ zerg for student
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On December 04 2009 15:47 FyRe_DragOn wrote:
i might be interested in doing this as a teacher, b+ toss/zerg
niiicceee
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lol Princeton could be a team, with Gretorp as our coach. xD xD.
No, put me in as interesting in pupil-ing
D+/C- Protoss.
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I'm always interested in any leagues for skill-less noobs like me.
D+ Terran
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Holy shit SarenS wants to coach. There aren't very many players out there that couldn't be coached by SarenS.
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time for incontrol to train people for cash?
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Low C protoss, would be willing to do either.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On December 04 2009 17:56 29 fps wrote:
time for incontrol to train people for cash?
^_^
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Incontrol you and Mondi and other poker players should get teams together, place bets and battle them!
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i'd love to play in this.
I just broke D+ today with toss today
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I'd be interested as well! Unranked Zerg player....
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You've ALL BEEN PUNK'd
this is just a thread to find out all the noobs on TL.net
GG bitches
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want to take part in this as a pupil
D rank terran. Win ratio 1/3
I would love to be coached by Stylish
TSL Profile
ICCup Profile
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Very interested indeed, i would be a pupil though.
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Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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Awesome idea. Would very much like to be a pupil. D- zerg use here.
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iNcontroL
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On December 04 2009 18:06 thunk wrote:
Incontrol you and Mondi and other poker players should get teams together, place bets and battle them!
A great idea for sure.. unfortunately I don't know if you guys have any idea how hard it is to teach a player scbw.. let alone a group. Not many top non kors are going to want to actually follow through with this.. especially with TSL going on.
I think some fantastic C/C+ players can coach some D~D+ players and make a nice league however.
I could very well be wrong (and I hope I am!) so please don't take my pessimism harshly.. I am just saying what I think to be true.
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this sounds pretty fun, i would be interested in it for sure:
Iccup: ..BravE
Rank: D+ with a losing record
Race: Zerg
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Sign me in
I'm a D- terran
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This sounds like an amazing idea. Thanks for putting it into motion.
I'm interested in being a pupil. I play all the races equally badly, but my favorite one is Terran, and I'm no higher than D.
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I really want to play, D/D- player. When will this be??
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3 Lions
United States3705 Posts
I'd be willing to play as a pupil. D+ player
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I'd definitely do this. D level Terran.
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Interested as well. But then I'm in china..is the lag thing going to be a problem? if not, i would like to participate..the time won't be a problem 10am - 1pm EST is 11pm - 2am here so..D-/D protoss.
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Holy shit this would be awesome, I'm a D terran, although i'm thinking about changing races
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This sounds fun =)
low D zerg player
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I am very interested, but I can´t put in more than about 2 hours a day. Is it enough?
Anyhow, I am a D- protoss/zerg, preferably zerg
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I think you'll get about 500 pupils and 3 teachers... but hey what do I know.
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Usually I wouldn't do this, but seeing the heavy disproportion of pupil/coaches..
C+/B- Toss sign me in for coach (and PM me about it, I tend to forget in which threads I posted :D)
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
If you needed another scrub Terran to come play, I'd be willing too, but I'm on GMT so I'm not sure how awkward the time differences would be.
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Seems cool thing to do, count me as a coach. Since it starts after TSL ladder it's great, hope i'll give good advices for the people in the team
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Canada780 Posts
Iccup: Machine[eh]
Rank: D+
Player
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Hail TL!
Been lurking for quite a while now and today i decided: Heck, ima join in on the fun!
Iccup: Dooba-
Rank: D
Player
ps
Great idea, hope we can make it work somehow
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I'm willing to team up with a coach and play in a event like this!
Race: Zerg
Skill: C-
Iccup ID : NoM.haze
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im C level on rEp)Fury
willing to coach or play for one
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was c- (max) with toss (mostly by bashing terrans)
d/d+ terran right now, good manners, can play 2-3h a day (:
the players could donate (if they can) via pp/whatever small sums (5-10-15$ ?) to the prizepool (which should go to the coaches imho) so they can show they are serious bout this.
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I'm definitly interested in taking part as a pupil, I'm a D player, but I'm not sure about how much time I'd have for it.
I think getting lots of players to take part won't be a problem it's an awesome idea, getting coaches isn't too hard if we have C coaches. An idea is also that all players has a small pay in, the winning coach would get it as a prize( 6 teams 30 players, like 100 dollars to winning coach).
That would increase interest from higher ranked players, make it more interesting for all participating.
Also following it on TL would be great if there was good write ups and brackets. Team incontrol vs Team Oystein, team Nazgul etc.
A tournament/league at first to settle up even teams, perhaps it wouldn't be too bad if there was more coaches in one team. That gives the interested C-coaches a chance to help the players, also a chance for them to learn a bit from a higher ranked player.
I think if this is well organized, the players take it seriously and there's something in it for the higher ranked players then we've definitly got something awesome coming up!
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cant find my other post but
D+ Zerg Pupil
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Would definitely be interested in playing as a pupil (I'm in the process of trying to seriously get good anyway), but I'm really bad. Mid/low D level.
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Im D+ Protoss pupil. I really want to improve my level so anyone plz coach me!!!! xD
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Sup guys, I drew some of the rules out, seeing that this can have some potential to clear things up a bit.
Every player willing to participate as a coach, please send a PM to l10f and me with your ICCup handle, rank, and race. This is so that we can keep track of the number of coaches willing to participate and for future reference shall we decide to balance the teams out a bit. Coaches need to be at least high C+ in skill level, but of course, higher skilled coaches will have preference. Each coach will have around 4-5 pupils max, them being from D- to low C- in rank with lower skilled players having preference as well. There will have to be at least 12 teams for this league to run smoothly, with 8 teams being the bare minimum.
It is still undecided how we will be arranging the brackets, whether it be by team votes, randomly, team pick, or something along those lines, but it will follow a BO5 format with the fifth game being an ace match. Of course, we will be using winner-loser brackets to avoid any sort of weird stuff from happening (bad mood days, etc), and to allow for the possibility of great comebacks! There will be different CWs each week (The number will depend on the number of teams we'll have) so that the coaches can have at least two weeks to prepare their pupils for the next CW.
We will be playing on four (4) of the current proleague/courage maps which will be chosen by popular TL vote! Of course there could be some exceptions if you guys want other maps (Blood Bath, Python, lol).
The league should happen after TSL2, given that many coaches could potentially come from there, and we don't want to stress them out with more competition.
And of course, all the in-game rules that apply to ICCup will apply to this league!
We will also be needing people to help us manage stuff and if you're interested in contributing in any way you think you can, don't hesitate to tell any of us! (I read somewhere about someone wanting to stream some of the matches which is a badass idea imo!).
This is just the first iteration of the rules for this league; it is still subject to change!
Right now we're just going to see how many coaches would be interested in participating, as apparently, there's a lot of pupils in this thread xd
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I'm a D/D+ all around player, hope you could make this into something as well as let me in it ^^
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A very cool idea actually!
This is so much more about being good at teaching than being good at Starcraft
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That sounds nice. I would like participate in this too. D+ zerg
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On December 05 2009 03:05 EsX_Raptor wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Sup guys, I drew some of the rules out, seeing that this can have some potential to clear things up a bit.
Every player willing to participate as a coach, please send a PM to l10f and me with your ICCup handle, rank, and race. This is so that we can keep track of the number of coaches willing to participate and for future reference shall we decide to balance the teams out a bit. Coaches need to be at least high C+ in skill level, but of course, higher skilled coaches will have preference. Each coach will have around 4-5 pupils max, them being from D- to low C- in rank with lower skilled players having preference as well. There will have to be at least 12 teams for this league to run smoothly, with 8 teams being the bare minimum.
It is still undecided how we will be arranging the brackets, whether it be by team votes, randomly, team pick, or something along those lines, but it will follow a BO5 format with the fifth game being an ace match. Of course, we will be using winner-loser brackets to avoid any sort of weird stuff from happening (bad mood days, etc), and to allow for the possibility of great comebacks! There will be different CWs each week (The number will depend on the number of teams we'll have) so that the coaches can have at least two weeks to prepare their pupils for the next CW.
We will be playing on four (4) of the current proleague/courage maps which will be chosen by popular TL vote! Of course there could be some exceptions if you guys want other maps (Blood Bath, Python, lol).
The league should happen after TSL2, given that many coaches could potentially come from there, and we don't want to stress them out with more competition.
And of course, all the in-game rules that apply to ICCup will apply to this league!
We will also be needing people to help us manage stuff and if you're interested in contributing in any way you think you can, don't hesitate to tell any of us! (I read somewhere about someone wanting to stream some of the matches which is a badass idea imo!).
This is just the first iteration of the rules for this league; it is still subject to change!
Right now we're just going to see how many coaches would be interested in participating, as apparently, there's a lot of pupils in this thread xd
This sounds awesome if we can get it to work. I am fairly new to this site, and the world of professional starcraft, but this sounds so fun that I am very willing to help making it happen, if I can contribute in any way.
I also want to play and I have high potential for quick improvement 
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I'd like to participate, D ~ rank zerg
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I'll do this when i can if that's possible..D+/C- zerg O_O
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I'd like to play as well, D rank zerg
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I want to play, I'm D+ Terran
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I would also play if possible. D rank Zerg.
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D+ protoss player here, would like to play.
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I'd like to be a pupil. D/D- protoss here
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This sounds like it would be a lot of fun and a great learning experience. I'd be interested in participating if i have time  I'm ranked at low D
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d+ terran pupil i have potential to be Olympic no problem.
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EsX_Raptor is it still ok for me and spritelove to co-coach one team? If it isn't, I'll do it anyways.
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It's like having your own little pokémon.
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On December 04 2009 11:55 thunk wrote:
Why don't you just mandate that everyone who wants to participate has play a set number of games in the TSL.
Then, you don't have to assess their skill levels, their race, they're active enough to put in enough games, all that good stuff.
I cannot stress this enough. Like thunk says in his reply, each player that is going to join should have minimum of "x games". This is to weed out all those "no shows" who say they will play but rarely end up showing up for matches.
I would say something around a hundred or so games on their iCCup account would suffice?
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On December 05 2009 04:10 kOre wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2009 11:55 thunk wrote:
Why don't you just mandate that everyone who wants to participate has play a set number of games in the TSL.
Then, you don't have to assess their skill levels, their race, they're active enough to put in enough games, all that good stuff. I cannot stress this enough. Like thunk says in his reply, each player that is going to join should have minimum of "x games". This is to weed out all those "no shows" who say they will play but rarely end up showing up for matches. I would say something around a hundred or so games on their iCCup account would suffice?
You can't make a fair judgment just on whether or not they like laddering.
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On December 05 2009 04:10 kOre wrote:
I would say something around a hundred or so games on their iCCup account would suffice?
I can do that 
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It's a lot of work to ask a coach to teach 5 people. You may want to reconsider putting it lower like 3 ... or even 2.
I say make this on the smaller scale and have a bunch of D players as backups in case one of the selected D players isn't active enough or doesn't show.
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On December 05 2009 04:14 Pokebunny wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2009 04:10 kOre wrote:On December 04 2009 11:55 thunk wrote:
Why don't you just mandate that everyone who wants to participate has play a set number of games in the TSL.
Then, you don't have to assess their skill levels, their race, they're active enough to put in enough games, all that good stuff. I cannot stress this enough. Like thunk says in his reply, each player that is going to join should have minimum of "x games". This is to weed out all those "no shows" who say they will play but rarely end up showing up for matches. I would say something around a hundred or so games on their iCCup account would suffice? You can't make a fair judgment just on whether or not they like laddering.
I know you can't exactly judge commitment based on laddering, but what are the chances that someone who has 1 post on TL and is unknown in the community, and has 1 game on iCCup in the past 6 months and says they want to join, is actually going to show up?
Like people have said, SC2GG did something like this and the main problem was people not showing up.
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On December 05 2009 04:05 Pokebunny wrote:
EsX_Raptor is it still ok for me and spritelove to co-coach one team? If it isn't, I'll do it anyways.
that seems ok
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On December 05 2009 04:20 kOre wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2009 04:14 Pokebunny wrote:On December 05 2009 04:10 kOre wrote:On December 04 2009 11:55 thunk wrote:
Why don't you just mandate that everyone who wants to participate has play a set number of games in the TSL.
Then, you don't have to assess their skill levels, their race, they're active enough to put in enough games, all that good stuff. I cannot stress this enough. Like thunk says in his reply, each player that is going to join should have minimum of "x games". This is to weed out all those "no shows" who say they will play but rarely end up showing up for matches. I would say something around a hundred or so games on their iCCup account would suffice? You can't make a fair judgment just on whether or not they like laddering. I know you can't exactly judge commitment based on laddering, but what are the chances that someone who has 1 post on TL and is unknown in the community, and has 1 game on iCCup in the past 6 months and says they want to join, is actually going to show up? Like people have said, SC2GG did something like this and the main problem was people not showing up. The problem is that there are probably some new players who would be motivated to start because of an opportunity like this. They can't just ladder up 100 games overnight.
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On December 05 2009 04:20 kOre wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2009 04:14 Pokebunny wrote:On December 05 2009 04:10 kOre wrote:On December 04 2009 11:55 thunk wrote:
Why don't you just mandate that everyone who wants to participate has play a set number of games in the TSL.
Then, you don't have to assess their skill levels, their race, they're active enough to put in enough games, all that good stuff. I cannot stress this enough. Like thunk says in his reply, each player that is going to join should have minimum of "x games". This is to weed out all those "no shows" who say they will play but rarely end up showing up for matches. I would say something around a hundred or so games on their iCCup account would suffice? You can't make a fair judgment just on whether or not they like laddering. I know you can't exactly judge commitment based on laddering, but what are the chances that someone who has 1 post on TL and is unknown in the community, and has 1 game on iCCup in the past 6 months and says they want to join, is actually going to show up? Like people have said, SC2GG did something like this and the main problem was people not showing up.
To be fair you're also forgetting about the people who have just come back to SC. I myself just got back into what 3 days ago maybe and signed upto ICCUP this morning but haven't had chance to play a game at all today. So just because I haven't had the chance to play a few games you instantly assume i'm not going to play? I know I know you're just trying to make it run as smooth as possible but it's a bit unfair and presumptuous(sp) on people.
My personal opinion is that it should maybe be one strike and you're out and that the coach gets the final say unless it's actually a good reason like you've died or something. But just my 2 cents or pence as i'm from the UK :p.
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On December 05 2009 04:25 Gruv wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2009 04:20 kOre wrote:On December 05 2009 04:14 Pokebunny wrote:On December 05 2009 04:10 kOre wrote:On December 04 2009 11:55 thunk wrote:
Why don't you just mandate that everyone who wants to participate has play a set number of games in the TSL.
Then, you don't have to assess their skill levels, their race, they're active enough to put in enough games, all that good stuff. I cannot stress this enough. Like thunk says in his reply, each player that is going to join should have minimum of "x games". This is to weed out all those "no shows" who say they will play but rarely end up showing up for matches. I would say something around a hundred or so games on their iCCup account would suffice? You can't make a fair judgment just on whether or not they like laddering. I know you can't exactly judge commitment based on laddering, but what are the chances that someone who has 1 post on TL and is unknown in the community, and has 1 game on iCCup in the past 6 months and says they want to join, is actually going to show up? Like people have said, SC2GG did something like this and the main problem was people not showing up. To be fair you're also forgetting about the people who have just come back to SC. I myself just got back into what 3 days ago maybe and signed upto ICCUP this morning but haven't had chance to play a game at all today. So just because I haven't had the chance to play a few games you instantly assume i'm not going to play? I know I know you're just trying to make it run as smooth as possible but it's a bit unfair and presumptuous(sp) on people. My personal opinion is that it should maybe be one strike and you're out and that the coach gets the final say unless it's actually a good reason like you've died or something. But just my 2 cents or pence as i'm from the UK :p.
Yeah, I guess you guys are right, the 1 shot and you get cut thing seems fair.
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I agree, I was just saying a ladder requirement is unfair. I have like 300+ so it wouldnt effect me...
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B-/B terran, will train only the fanatical and the insane !!
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Canada780 Posts
On December 05 2009 04:29 Pokebunny wrote:
I agree, I was just saying a ladder requirement is unfair. I have like 300+ so it wouldnt effect me...
I agree, there shouldn't be a ladder requirement, but it should be if you miss a match or don't practice with your team enough, then your out.
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I didn't read the entire thread, but I would like to play in it.
Also, for those who are concerned about people being no-shows: I don't like to ladder, and I rarely do. However, if I do like to play against people I know (clanmates, etc) and I show up if I can.
I'm probably back to C- now... but I considered myself a C/C+ a month or so ago.
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
I will be creating signup/poll/info thread now.
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I don't think a minimum number of ladder games is very fair, I know I hate laddering so it'd be difficult for me to make the requirement. If you are worried about noshows, a preliminary tournament held over more than one day could weed out the noshows from the people willing to come in every time.
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i have a peruvian team with gamers from D to D+ almost C-
count with me ^^
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I'd participate as a coach.
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I'd like to coach, I know I am at least B- as that's what I got when I played a bit of 1v1 about a month ago (45-9, but mostly vs foreigners). But I can't give any proof account, cause I gave the stats to a D/D+ friend who wanted to see what it was like to play people at B- and it's gone (I quit SC for the last month to concentrate on school). My PvP, TvP, TvZ, ZvT are all pretty even and my "best," I play ZvZ, TvT, PvT pretty well, and I am worst at PvZ and ZvP .
However, I don't know if I'd make a GOOD coach because I don't play with any sort of build order, or game plan, or anything. I don't really analyze games the way that people in the strat forum do, counting pop, counting pylon, etc. It's like all intuition for me or whatever, which is my big weakness (since I have very strong mechanics but a much weaker "hard" knowledge of maps, build orders, etc).
I would gladly take a co-coach of any level who has a good knowledge of that kind of stuff. If we watched a game I could say things like "you should expand now" or "you should have pushed here" or "should have added X factories here" but I think I'd have a lot of trouble explaining why.
I'd still be interested though if anyone wanted me to participate.
edit: shit, Sarens is coaching? He's gonna be the best coach by a long shot unless someone of comparable level steps up. Aerials too. I want Sarens to be my co-coach, damn.
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I think any coach is welcome. You can just call your team "the spirit team".
The teams should be divided somewhat by timezones, so teams have an easier time finding practice hours.
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I'd like to participate as a pupil, I'm a D/D+ Zerg.
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I'd be interested in helping with some co-coaching of sorts, as I don't think I have the time to do it on my own.
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I would be possibly interested in this, as a 1300 max (ever) player, but how much time investment are we speaking? I don't mind putting some effort into this, but I usually don't have much spare time monday - thursday.
edit: but now I play as terran rather than zerg, which I'm really more of a D-.
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I'm down, D/D+ Zerg. My ICCUP id is the same as my tl name.
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I think this is a brilliant idea - especially with the one strike and then done policy. If you make each team bigger with the assumption that a certain percentage will drop out (like 8 people/coach, assuming 4 will drop), then it should work out. If some teams have 6 and some have 2 you can even it out at that point.
I'm willing to play also, D- protoss (D- everything probably).
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United Kingdom12022 Posts
There's a hell of a lot of D- Terrans including me, is Terran one of the harder races to get properly into or something?
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Interested in participating with this event. Secretly been waiting ages for an chance to actually learn to play the game with guidance and possibly show of the progress.
D-, interested in learning Terran or Zerg.
Have not yet activly participated on ICCUP duo to just beeing really bad and having difficulty to find people to play/practice with and set goals for improvement, this seems like an awesome oppertunity to get better.
Loads of spare time(~6+h/day) and willingness to play alot to improve. If there is a required set of games needed to be eligible for a 'coach' I'd be happy to play them on ICCUP (tsl or normal) before this starts.
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I am on for playing, and when not playing I can be of help for streaming / recording games that are live at the moment that i am connected.
I think that while teaching 3-5 people is little hard if done properly it can work, of course not everybody has the talent or patience to teach so it can be kind of hard.
Trimming the pupils to 2 per coach isnt going to work because then we would need too many coaches and I dont think they will be enough.
I think we should use ventrilo for coaching. Maybe a channel per group?
if the TL server is not enough we can think for people that has good upload speed to host a temporal server or find one free on the net for that purpose.
for those without mic, it would be nice to at least hear the coach talking.
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On December 05 2009 05:37 Shiva_Chandra wrote:
I'd be interested in helping with some co-coaching of sorts, as I don't think I have the time to do it on my own.
K you're coaching with me then avi ^^. (its paul)
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edit: bah, just read that the idea is to begin in january.
Methinks i should cancel my 1 month vacation to play in this! (but not really, though i would've killed to play in this, awesome initiative! hopefully it'll be a succes warranting a repeat!)
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Would love to participate!
D+ (sometimes C-) zerg - ID Skeggaba.
Nice initiative
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[CpL]hobbes
being coached by storrzerg
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hum is it still possible to join in?
Edit:
In that case
1stRun D-/D zerg
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yeah i would like to join.
D+ zerg
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On December 04 2009 23:59 SarenS wrote:Seems cool thing to do, count me as a coach. Since it starts after TSL ladder it's great, hope i'll give good advices for the people in the team
i want to be his pupil or co-coach if he accepts B-/B terran here.
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Hmm wondering if there is still any space left anywhere?
Im D in all 3 races (yeah thats right i play all 3 haha) and brtarolg@hotmail.com is my msn for contact (@gmail.com for email)
I live in europe (well, UK actually) so that might be a consideration, im also gonna be away from the 17th till the 2nd for holiday (though i will be in singapore so i can pester kona all day for SC games lol)
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guys, did you read? There's a link in the OP for signups (which were closed two days ago). 200+ people signed up and more than half were cut, and obviously they will all get priority before people randomly posting here.
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so u are going to tell me that there is no sarens for me? T_T
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oopss... lol i seriously didnt saw that -_-", i apologize
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VEry nice Idea, I range between D+/C- (or did b4, just getting back to the game D+ atm) would love to be a pat of this as a coach or player, whichever!!
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On January 02 2010 00:47 revoh wrote:
VEry nice Idea, I range between D+/C- (or did b4, just getting back to the game D+ atm) would love to be a pat of this as a coach or player, whichever!!
Unfortunately this has already began. I'm sure you'll be allowed to play next time though.
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I wish I woulda known about CPL earlier. I would've joined a LONG time ago. Hopefully I'll do the next one...
This looks like it'll be good for both player and coach. Novice players can learn a lot from the good players and the good players can get experience as coaches.
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