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USA, Rally the Troops Help Send Louder to IEF

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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-19 17:10:29
October 17 2009 20:47 GMT
#1
<h2>DON'T DONATE FOR NOW, THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH EG NOT LIKING HIM TAKING DONATIONS. I believe donated money will be used towards a community event, or maybe returned to the donors if he can. </h2>- HnR)Insane

Recently, Poland showed great pride and patriotism when they raised money to send both Yayba and Draco to the WCG Grand Finals. This year's IEF tournament has been coined in advance by Dan Artosis as "the best LAN ever for Starcraft". They're planning on a full cadre of top rated non Koreans, Chinese, and of course, Korean pro gamers.

USA's own David "Louder" Fells has received an invite, but needs some help raising funds so he can have his ticket go from USA -> Korea (for IEF) -> China (for WCG GF). The price difference (what is needed) is $500 USD. His team, EG is already forking over the dough to send him to the WCG Grand Finals.

Being that IEF will be the greatest LAN ever, I'm here on behalf of a close friend of mine, and a lover of American Starcraft players to try and rally support for sending another American to IEF.

Are you impressed by Louder's amazing play at LAN events (3rd and 2nd place at WCG USA in 2008 and 2009, respectively) and want to see him compete at a high level among the world's finest competition? Are you a fan of the American Starcraft scene? Do you just want to support sending foreign players to large scale events? These are all excellent reasons to donate.

How Much Is Needed: $500 USD

How Can I donate?:
+ Show Spoiler +

To donate, you can paypal any amount to: hasuboy13@hotmail.comDon't donate for now, see top of this post! I'm acting as the coordinator for this project, since I'm both respected enough in the community and as a good friend of Louder's.


Deadline: His team, EG wants to be able to book the flight as soon as possible before rates increase, so the deadline will be October 23rd, 2009.

What if the amount is not met?: You can check the tournaments forum for recent events I have and am hosting - if the needed funds are not raised, and I've gotten too many donations to refund them, I'll put it towards a community event.

If you have any questions, comments, or concerns, don't hesitate to send me a PM. I hope that TL can rally some support to send Louder to IEF! If we raise enough money to send him, Louder promises to train as hard as possible to represent TL and the United States to perform to the best of his abilities.

Thank you all,
Xeris - on behalf of the USA National Team, and USA Starcraft!

Current Amount: $226

**I will update on a daily basis**
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iNcontroL *
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USA29055 Posts
October 17 2009 20:52 GMT
#2
nice!

Hope this works out!
Sharp-eYe
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada642 Posts
October 17 2009 21:38 GMT
#3
yay more fund raising! I support the cause.
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nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
October 17 2009 21:41 GMT
#4
only if he promise to beat the koreans
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 17 2009 21:43 GMT
#5
On October 18 2009 06:41 nttea wrote:
only if he promise to beat the koreans


he will promise to beat Bisu
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lighter
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States152 Posts
October 17 2009 21:46 GMT
#6
On October 18 2009 06:43 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2009 06:41 nttea wrote:
only if he promise to beat the koreans


he will promise to beat Bisu

too easy

i would donate but i dont have a paypal

gl to louder :D
uNiGNoRe
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Germany1115 Posts
October 17 2009 21:47 GMT
#7
I hope he can make it. He showed convincing results on LAN in the past and I am sure it's worth the money to send him over to Korea for this event. I wish you best of luck with this. Those 500$ will be raised in no time.
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
October 17 2009 21:51 GMT
#8
uh, im jealous, attending two such awesome events
GL louder.
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Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
October 17 2009 21:57 GMT
#9
ill definitely donate he helped me get tickets to wcg last year, real cool dude and such a strong toss now a days
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 17 2009 22:02 GMT
#10
I'll update progress on a daily basis ~
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Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
October 17 2009 22:03 GMT
#11
lol can i send a check duran?
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 17 2009 22:08 GMT
#12
I'd prefer paypal T_T;; checks take awhile plus I don't have a really friendly bank here in D.C to cash it - apparently there's no Wells Fargos here TT
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emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
October 17 2009 22:09 GMT
#13
Good luck!
LordWeird
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3411 Posts
October 17 2009 22:58 GMT
#14
I can't donate right now but I would love to in a couple days when I get some more money. Only 500 dollars? Pssh that should be easy for us. I can contribute like 20 no problem.
Chains none
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
October 17 2009 23:00 GMT
#15
I'll support this if Louder does something for TL. I don't know what it would be but maybe some sort of pay-to-view showmatch would be a good fundraiser. I'd pay a few bucks to see some entertaining games, as long as they're actually entertaining.
Tenryu
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States565 Posts
October 17 2009 23:08 GMT
#16
Lol oh shit, thought it said OEF for a second.. i gotz trickedz
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Sixer
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States278 Posts
October 17 2009 23:14 GMT
#17
On October 18 2009 08:00 integral wrote:
I'll support this if Louder does something for TL. I don't know what it would be but maybe some sort of pay-to-view showmatch would be a good fundraiser. I'd pay a few bucks to see some entertaining games, as long as they're actually entertaining.


Representing the united states and TL on the global scale isn't doing something for TL?
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 17 2009 23:22 GMT
#18
On October 18 2009 08:00 integral wrote:
I'll support this if Louder does something for TL. I don't know what it would be but maybe some sort of pay-to-view showmatch would be a good fundraiser. I'd pay a few bucks to see some entertaining games, as long as they're actually entertaining.


I'll tell him.
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Elite00fm
Profile Joined January 2008
United States548 Posts
October 17 2009 23:28 GMT
#19
You should really consider opening a pokerstars/ftp account and accepting poker transfers
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
October 17 2009 23:28 GMT
#20
On October 18 2009 08:14 Sixer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2009 08:00 integral wrote:
I'll support this if Louder does something for TL. I don't know what it would be but maybe some sort of pay-to-view showmatch would be a good fundraiser. I'd pay a few bucks to see some entertaining games, as long as they're actually entertaining.


Representing the united states and TL on the global scale isn't doing something for TL?

That's what we're giving him money for. Something else would be like something integral mentioned, except it should be free. Or, a complete guide of his choice would be great imo.
Peace~
Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
October 17 2009 23:39 GMT
#21
500? This should be easy.

GL to you guys, I'd help out but I'm a measly 10k in debt from school.
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Tenryu
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States565 Posts
October 18 2009 00:07 GMT
#22
$100 for you David, make me proud
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disco
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Netherlands1667 Posts
October 18 2009 00:11 GMT
#23
On October 18 2009 08:28 Elite00fm wrote:
You should really consider opening a pokerstars/ftp account and accepting poker transfers


Seconded. Willing to donate through pokerstars!
this game is a fucking jokie
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 18 2009 00:12 GMT
#24
I don't do poker T_T;

<3 Dan thanks
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disco
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Netherlands1667 Posts
October 18 2009 00:15 GMT
#25
On October 18 2009 09:12 Xeris wrote:
I don't do poker T_T;

<3 Dan thanks


Can't I transfer it to inc and make him give it to Louder? ;-)
On second thought, considering inc's poker addiction this would be a bad idea.
this game is a fucking jokie
darn_dts
Profile Joined August 2009
India21 Posts
October 18 2009 01:17 GMT
#26
poor as fuck college student atm but i can give $20

louder hwaiting~~
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 18 2009 06:06 GMT
#27
On October 18 2009 10:17 darn_dts wrote:
poor as fuck college student atm but i can give $20

louder hwaiting~~


<3!
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Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
October 18 2009 06:31 GMT
#28
I will donate 100 bucks if he plays surfer4life (1v1), makes a FPVOD + commentary (i.e., while he's playing) of it, and posts it somewhere (preferrably youtube, but some other video hosting site works if there's one better for it).
Dunno if he considers it worth 100 bucks to do it.

Surfer's name on iccup is terran[scary], same with his name on east.
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-18 14:28:12
October 18 2009 12:09 GMT
#29
On October 18 2009 09:07 Tenryu wrote:
$100 for you David, make me proud


Thx Dan ^^ <3

On October 18 2009 15:31 HnR)Insane wrote:
I will donate 100 bucks if he plays surfer4life (1v1), makes a FPVOD + commentary (i.e., while he's playing) of it, and posts it somewhere (preferrably youtube, but some other video hosting site works if there's one better for it).
Dunno if he considers it worth 100 bucks to do it.

Surfer's name on iccup is terran[scary], same with his name on east.


Sure Peter, I'd be glad to. Go ahead and donate the cash, if my word is enough for you, and I'll get it done ASAP

On October 18 2009 08:00 integral wrote:
I'll support this if Louder does something for TL. I don't know what it would be but maybe some sort of pay-to-view showmatch would be a good fundraiser. I'd pay a few bucks to see some entertaining games, as long as they're actually entertaining.


I can start streaming again, as long as people can live with an audio-free stream. Too much noise in my house to have the audio going
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
October 18 2009 12:10 GMT
#30
On October 18 2009 09:15 disco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2009 09:12 Xeris wrote:
I don't do poker T_T;

<3 Dan thanks


Can't I transfer it to inc and make him give it to Louder? ;-)
On second thought, considering inc's poker addiction this would be a bad idea.


I have a Poker Stars account. My ID is "Louder". I don't know how to get money out though.
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
October 18 2009 12:10 GMT
#31
Oh and thanks for the support everyone ^^
disco
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Netherlands1667 Posts
October 18 2009 12:14 GMT
#32
On October 18 2009 21:10 Louder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2009 09:15 disco wrote:
On October 18 2009 09:12 Xeris wrote:
I don't do poker T_T;

<3 Dan thanks


Can't I transfer it to inc and make him give it to Louder? ;-)
On second thought, considering inc's poker addiction this would be a bad idea.


I have a Poker Stars account. My ID is "Louder". I don't know how to get money out though.



Hmm, so that would be useless then.
this game is a fucking jokie
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
October 18 2009 12:21 GMT
#33
On October 18 2009 21:14 disco wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2009 21:10 Louder wrote:
On October 18 2009 09:15 disco wrote:
On October 18 2009 09:12 Xeris wrote:
I don't do poker T_T;

<3 Dan thanks


Can't I transfer it to inc and make him give it to Louder? ;-)
On second thought, considering inc's poker addiction this would be a bad idea.


I have a Poker Stars account. My ID is "Louder". I don't know how to get money out though.



Hmm, so that would be useless then.


Ok, I installed PS - looks like I just go to Cashier/Cash Out and they send me a check? Is that all there is to it?
RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9947 Posts
October 18 2009 12:35 GMT
#34
Uhm, I don't wanna break down on a good initiative but..

Aren't you a working man? Why should other people pay for your trip, when you'll be the one to enjoy it and cash the money if you win something?

500 bucks sounds like a reasonable amount to pay for yourself so you can enjoy a nice vacation in Korea with a lot of your friends.

It's not like you'd really be "representing the USA" with rekrul, inc and IdrA going.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
October 18 2009 12:37 GMT
#35
On October 18 2009 21:35 RaGe wrote:
Uhm, I don't wanna break down on a good initiative but..

Aren't you a working man? Why should other people pay for your trip, when you'll be the one to enjoy it and cash the money if you win something?

500 bucks sounds like a reasonable amount to pay for yourself so you can enjoy a nice vacation in Korea with a lot of your friends.

It's not like you'd really be "representing the USA" with rekrul, inc and IdrA going.

I thought the same thing.
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iG.Zeep
Profile Joined May 2008
Mexico253 Posts
October 18 2009 13:15 GMT
#36
how much will/has EG donate(d) for this sidetrip?
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WhuazGoodJaggah
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Lesotho777 Posts
October 18 2009 14:58 GMT
#37
feels like north korea here with all the begging going on.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 18 2009 15:36 GMT
#38
On October 18 2009 21:35 RaGe wrote:
Uhm, I don't wanna break down on a good initiative but..

Aren't you a working man? Why should other people pay for your trip, when you'll be the one to enjoy it and cash the money if you win something?

500 bucks sounds like a reasonable amount to pay for yourself so you can enjoy a nice vacation in Korea with a lot of your friends.

It's not like you'd really be "representing the USA" with rekrul, inc and IdrA going.


Just because Louder works doesn't mean he just has $500 to drop on a trip. Have you considered that he has to deal with the other things working men have to deal with, I.E, supporting his family, paying bills, etc? I think it's pretty unfair for you to guess that just because he has a career that he somehow has money to spend on BW trips, and it's also unfair for you to tell him what he should do with his money. Pretty sure his kids need to be put through school, fed, etc... plus it's coming up on the holiday season which is the worst time of year for a parents' pocket
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 18 2009 15:37 GMT
#39
$136 so far.
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Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-18 16:53:53
October 18 2009 16:53 GMT
#40
I'm waiting for the immediate second, not because I doubt your word, but because it's not only reliant upon you, and I don't know if Surfer will do something weird and refuse to play or whatever. He can be a bit unpredictable at times ^^. I don't anticipate that he will, but then I'm not surfer...

I expect that you will win (since he's 144-206 C), but from the point of getting the money it does not matter either way.


Do you want me to tell him you'll be looking for him, or would you rather just find him w/o him knowing in advance?
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
October 18 2009 18:42 GMT
#41
Agree with Rage. This is just charity and there are other (better) options to support.

Good luck though, it's not like I think the idea is bad.
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Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
October 18 2009 18:51 GMT
#42
On October 19 2009 03:42 Twisted wrote:
Agree with Rage. This is just charity and there are other (better) options to support.

Good luck though, it's not like I think the idea is bad.

*shrug*, I don't care either way about IEF too much. I just figured I'd be nice and donate if I got something I thought would be amusing to see :D
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
October 18 2009 19:05 GMT
#43
On October 19 2009 01:53 HnR)Insane wrote:
I'm waiting for the immediate second, not because I doubt your word, but because it's not only reliant upon you, and I don't know if Surfer will do something weird and refuse to play or whatever. He can be a bit unpredictable at times ^^. I don't anticipate that he will, but then I'm not surfer...

I expect that you will win (since he's 144-206 C), but from the point of getting the money it does not matter either way.


Do you want me to tell him you'll be looking for him, or would you rather just find him w/o him knowing in advance?


Give him my MSN.
Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
October 18 2009 19:06 GMT
#44
On October 19 2009 03:42 Twisted wrote:
Agree with Rage. This is just charity and there are other (better) options to support.

Good luck though, it's not like I think the idea is bad.


It's standard for Europeans to rag on anything Americans do on this forum
food
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1951 Posts
October 18 2009 19:07 GMT
#45
imo give it to nyoken if you cant afford it
poker will pay for it
Can someone ban this guy please? FA?
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 18 2009 19:26 GMT
#46
lol@this thread
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 18 2009 23:55 GMT
#47
i don't get w hat's so different about this than about polish people trying to raise funds to send polish players to an event?
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linyu)wufan18
Profile Joined October 2002
1198 Posts
October 19 2009 00:08 GMT
#48
will Draco go IEF?
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-19 00:42:24
October 19 2009 00:37 GMT
#49
On October 19 2009 08:55 Xeris wrote:
i don't get w hat's so different about this than about polish people trying to raise funds to send polish players to an event?

Well, I don't know the details of the situation, so I may be wrong, but I'll take a crack at this...

WCG is recognized as an international tournament where you represent your country, so donating to send someone as your representative is different than sponsoring a random USA player to play in an individual tournament IEF.

edit: To be clear, I'm not saying you're doing the wrong thing here, just guessing at why people see it differently. Not sure if TL should have an official policy about this donation stuff.
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
October 19 2009 01:16 GMT
#50
i think its more likely the infamous european-soggy-vagina syndrome
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Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
October 19 2009 01:41 GMT
#51
On October 19 2009 09:37 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2009 08:55 Xeris wrote:
i don't get w hat's so different about this than about polish people trying to raise funds to send polish players to an event?

Well, I don't know the details of the situation, so I may be wrong, but I'll take a crack at this...

WCG is recognized as an international tournament where you represent your country, so donating to send someone as your representative is different than sponsoring a random USA player to play in an individual tournament IEF.

edit: To be clear, I'm not saying you're doing the wrong thing here, just guessing at why people see it differently. Not sure if TL should have an official policy about this donation stuff.


Lets make one!
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
October 19 2009 01:43 GMT
#52
USA USA USA USA
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NvG.ShyToSs
Profile Joined March 2009
United States39 Posts
October 19 2009 01:47 GMT
#53
I'll put in 50$ Go Go Louder!!
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 19 2009 01:57 GMT
#54
On October 19 2009 09:37 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2009 08:55 Xeris wrote:
i don't get w hat's so different about this than about polish people trying to raise funds to send polish players to an event?

Well, I don't know the details of the situation, so I may be wrong, but I'll take a crack at this...

WCG is recognized as an international tournament where you represent your country, so donating to send someone as your representative is different than sponsoring a random USA player to play in an individual tournament IEF.

edit: To be clear, I'm not saying you're doing the wrong thing here, just guessing at why people see it differently. Not sure if TL should have an official policy about this donation stuff.


right and if you read my op I sorta addressed that issue O_O;; IEF's supposed to be "the best LAN ever for SC", so it would be nice to have more Americans playing in it... I'm not going to argue any longer, it's not worth it - donate if you want to support USA gaming and see IEF live up to its hype!
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 19 2009 01:58 GMT
#55
we're at $226 btw, almost halfway!
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NvG.ShyToSs
Profile Joined March 2009
United States39 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-19 02:04:44
October 19 2009 02:04 GMT
#56
thats good, hopefully my little bit helps out ^.^
dhe95
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1213 Posts
October 19 2009 02:38 GMT
#57
On October 18 2009 21:09 Louder wrote:
I can start streaming again, as long as people can live with an audio-free stream. Too much noise in my house to have the audio going

Stereo Mix? or do you not even have computer sounds on?
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Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
October 19 2009 02:41 GMT
#58
How about some frequent flyer miles?
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GOB
Profile Joined September 2009
50 Posts
October 19 2009 02:42 GMT
#59
What if this guy committed to donating any money won to a future tournament? Seems like that would be a cool way to reward the community for donating and giving him the experience.
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Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4641 Posts
October 19 2009 02:54 GMT
#60
On October 19 2009 11:42 GOB wrote:
What if this guy committed to donating any money won to a future tournament? Seems like that would be a cool way to reward the community for donating and giving him the experience.

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Zurles
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom1659 Posts
October 19 2009 04:06 GMT
#61
On October 19 2009 10:16 IdrA wrote:
i think its more likely the infamous european-soggy-vagina syndrome


well contributed sir.
vx70GTOJudgexv
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3161 Posts
October 19 2009 04:56 GMT
#62
On October 18 2009 21:35 RaGe wrote:
Uhm, I don't wanna break down on a good initiative but..

Aren't you a working man? Why should other people pay for your trip, when you'll be the one to enjoy it and cash the money if you win something?

500 bucks sounds like a reasonable amount to pay for yourself so you can enjoy a nice vacation in Korea with a lot of your friends.

It's not like you'd really be "representing the USA" with rekrul, inc and IdrA going.


Poland had a representative, no? And not for nothing, but I doubt that Yayba and Draco only play SC ever. I don't know anyone at this point in time who doesn't even work part-time. If the community raised nearly $6,000 for them, why is it unreasonable to ask for $500 to benefit a working father who also has this opportunity to play on the international stage? I'm sure Yayba and Draco will also be enjoying the trip to Chengdu with friends of theirs in the BW scene, and they will be able to cash in if they win anything.

In other words, I fail to see the difference here.
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Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-19 05:28:47
October 19 2009 05:28 GMT
#63
On October 19 2009 10:41 Manifesto7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2009 09:37 Hot_Bid wrote:
On October 19 2009 08:55 Xeris wrote:
i don't get w hat's so different about this than about polish people trying to raise funds to send polish players to an event?

Well, I don't know the details of the situation, so I may be wrong, but I'll take a crack at this...

WCG is recognized as an international tournament where you represent your country, so donating to send someone as your representative is different than sponsoring a random USA player to play in an individual tournament IEF.

edit: To be clear, I'm not saying you're doing the wrong thing here, just guessing at why people see it differently. Not sure if TL should have an official policy about this donation stuff.


Lets make one!

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Tenryu
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States565 Posts
October 19 2009 06:24 GMT
#64
Haha people bitching about the price of $500 when they contributed over $6000 for 2 players.. so about $3000 for 1 player and now they bitch about $500 for 1 player. Anyways..
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Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
October 19 2009 07:05 GMT
#65
I'll be sending 100 dollars when I get home tonight since Louder has played the FPVODs
Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
October 19 2009 07:32 GMT
#66
Hey guys, hold off on the donations for now, apparently there is an issue with EG not liking him taking donations.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10501 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-19 08:08:05
October 19 2009 08:07 GMT
#67
On October 19 2009 16:32 HnR)Insane wrote:
Hey guys, hold off on the donations for now, apparently there is an issue with EG not liking him taking donations.


dramaz!!
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
October 19 2009 08:27 GMT
#68
On October 19 2009 16:05 HnR)Insane wrote:
I'll be sending 100 dollars when I get home tonight since Louder has played the FPVODs


Oh do share, I wanna see the bad things he did to surfer !
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Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
October 19 2009 08:53 GMT
#69
I didn't get home until 1:50 AM so I'm not watching them yet. Will watch them tomorrow after work as a treat

http://livestream.com/louder - go to on demand. Louder's officially my hero for doing this so quickly, so I will be donating the money to the community event instead since he's not allowed to accept donations apparently.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 19 2009 13:10 GMT
#70
Ya - I can confirm... dropping a drama bomb:

So Artosis said he needs to confirm the player list for IEF by today, and that Louder needed to buy his ticket, so we assumed we'd get up to the $500, and after talking to EG apparently they literally wouldn't let him go if he got any donations. On top of that they said if he accepted donations to go to IEF they wouldn't pay for his flight to China.

All in all, I guess EG shafted him T__T;.

I need to think about what to do now.
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27149 Posts
October 19 2009 13:11 GMT
#71
And so why will they not let him go if he gets donations?

I guess this is why we need to think these things through a little more.
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mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
October 19 2009 13:15 GMT
#72
On October 19 2009 22:11 Manifesto7 wrote:
And so why will they not let him go if he gets donations?

I guess this is why we need to think these things through a little more.


i imagine that this is shining bad press for EG, not being able to cover sufficient costs for their players to do shit
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besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
October 19 2009 13:19 GMT
#73
cant we just give him the money and lie !!? I mean why does EG need to know where the 500 came from, its stupid as fuck what they are doing.
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Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
October 19 2009 13:34 GMT
#74
On October 19 2009 22:19 besiger wrote:
cant we just give him the money and lie !!? I mean why does EG need to know where the 500 came from, its stupid as fuck what they are doing.

If we raised the money to send Louder, you could interpret it as EG being the villains that are not supporting their players thus forcing the community to do so for them. And do you seriously think that EG are blind enough not to notice what was going on in case we lied?
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sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
October 19 2009 13:39 GMT
#75
On October 19 2009 22:15 mOnion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2009 22:11 Manifesto7 wrote:
And so why will they not let him go if he gets donations?

I guess this is why we need to think these things through a little more.


i imagine that this is shining bad press for EG, not being able to cover sufficient costs for their players to do shit

Isn't that the case regardless of whether or not he takes the donations?
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Louder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States2276 Posts
October 19 2009 16:18 GMT
#76
On October 19 2009 22:15 mOnion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2009 22:11 Manifesto7 wrote:
And so why will they not let him go if he gets donations?

I guess this is why we need to think these things through a little more.


i imagine that this is shining bad press for EG, not being able to cover sufficient costs for their players to do shit


I will say here what I said to EG - nobody thinks teams have unlimited budgets. In fact, it's pretty rare for teams outside Korea to give money to SC players at all, in general. Rather than be thrilled that the community is willing to support players, the decision is based on the notion that this is equivalent to EG begging for money. I don't think that's accurate and I don't think most people would. But it's the team's decision and I'll respect it.

To be clear I was given no ultimatum about China. I was simply given the impression that if I accepted these donations and used them for IEF there would be consequences.
besiger
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Croatia2452 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-19 17:14:29
October 19 2009 17:08 GMT
#77
On October 19 2009 22:34 Alur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2009 22:19 besiger wrote:
cant we just give him the money and lie !!? I mean why does EG need to know where the 500 came from, its stupid as fuck what they are doing.

If we raised the money to send Louder, you could interpret it as EG being the villains that are not supporting their players thus forcing the community to do so for them. And do you seriously think that EG are blind enough not to notice what was going on in case we lied?


im just saying, if Louder said he came up with the money to go somehow, borrowed it from someone or anything, how would they know we gave it.
Im not saying EG are the villains, quite frankly i dont see what they are playing at, they are already sending him to wcg, and im sure everyone understands that they cant cover every event out there, how is this putting them in a bad light? In my eyes not letting him go is worse publicity than not being able to send him themselves, these days its rare for a team to have any money to send players anywhere, I hope they understand how much sending someone to wcg finals means to the bw comunity, its no small thing. let the man go.
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Tenryu
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States565 Posts
October 19 2009 19:18 GMT
#78
Lol.. EG is so selfish. IMO this act makes them look worse. sad
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SirGlinG
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden933 Posts
October 19 2009 19:28 GMT
#79
On October 20 2009 04:18 Tenryu wrote:
Lol.. EG is so selfish. IMO this act makes them look worse. sad

Sadly i agree.

As Louder said, nobody thinks their budget is unlimited.
Or a good budget at all, or lots of money at all in foreign starcraft.
The fans of E.G's team member Louder, fans of the team of E.G wants to help them.
And all they get is a hit with a baseball bat ,Worms Armageddon style.
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thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
October 19 2009 19:33 GMT
#80
I'm with these folks. EG's fucked for doing this. I hope they take the time to think about how this makes them look to the community.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 19 2009 19:36 GMT
#81
so will EG pay for your flight? If so then what's the problem?
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 19 2009 20:11 GMT
#82
On October 20 2009 04:36 zulu_nation8 wrote:
so will EG pay for your flight? If so then what's the problem?


did you read any of this? O_O;;
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 19 2009 20:32 GMT
#83
ok i see it, so louder needs tickets from chengdu to seoul and back? And he needs $500 for it?
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 19 2009 20:45 GMT
#84
EG paying for trip to Chengdu... the price difference of... US -> Korea -> China is $500 ... he got invited to IEF, so really wants to go (for obvious reasons)...

Point is, IEF player list needs to be confirmed by the end of today - and it was looking like we'd for sure be able to get the $500 needed... so when he asked EG, they said they literally wouldn't let him go if he accepted community donations. Then I guess they said that basically he needs to choose IEF or WCG and that he couldn't go to both - even if the community was (and is) willing to pay for the trip to IEF.

He basically got shafted by EG T__T!
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
October 19 2009 20:51 GMT
#85
Just playing devil's advocate here, but EG is paying for Louder to go to China which is pretty crazy seeing as there is no money to be made in starcraft so that is pretty cool. It is unfortunate though that they are being stubborn and not allowing him to take donations for IEG.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
October 19 2009 20:54 GMT
#86
Is it out of the question to borrow the money or something? Family and relatives might be able to help out
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EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
October 19 2009 21:05 GMT
#87
T T im not even going to the DC lan becasue they dont want to send me .. atlest Louder gets a nice trip to china to smash faces!!
oh well ~
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
October 19 2009 21:07 GMT
#88
EG sends their dota team everywhere afaik
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 19 2009 21:07 GMT
#89
wtf jake ! i thought you were going ??? O_O!;
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yenta
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Poland1142 Posts
October 19 2009 21:12 GMT
#90
Sponsoring Louder's trip to WCG: Wow EG is pretty cool! Nice team

Not letting Louder raise $500 to also hit up IEF: Wow suddenly lost all respect for EG

Sums up my feelings.
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EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
October 19 2009 21:18 GMT
#91
On October 20 2009 06:07 Xeris wrote:
wtf jake ! i thought you were going ??? O_O!;

thats becasue geoff went ahead and posted that eg was sending me.. so after he posted that.. which makes sense.. (sending goeff to IEF sending david WCG ) in theory it would be no problems sending me to a lan.. but little did he know.. how wrong he was.. ^^
sorry duran <3 ;(
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
October 19 2009 21:23 GMT
#92
Kid, you gotta get super e-famous so EG can milk that sponsorship good and send you - start doing soft drink commercials or something plz.
EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
October 19 2009 21:27 GMT
#93
On October 20 2009 06:23 Kennigit wrote:
Kid, you gotta get super e-famous so EG can milk that sponsorship good and send you - start doing soft drink commercials or something plz.

lol...i will get right on it
TY!
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-19 21:32:46
October 19 2009 21:32 GMT
#94
On October 20 2009 06:18 Lz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2009 06:07 Xeris wrote:
wtf jake ! i thought you were going ??? O_O!;

thats becasue geoff went ahead and posted that eg was sending me.. so after he posted that.. which makes sense.. (sending goeff to IEF sending david WCG ) in theory it would be no problems sending me to a lan.. but little did he know.. how wrong he was.. ^^
sorry duran <3 ;(


damn T__T

D.C LAN >>> WCG + IEF , you should tell them that.
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EGLzGaMeR
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1867 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-19 21:40:10
October 19 2009 21:36 GMT
#95
On October 20 2009 06:32 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2009 06:18 Lz wrote:
On October 20 2009 06:07 Xeris wrote:
wtf jake ! i thought you were going ??? O_O!;

thats becasue geoff went ahead and posted that eg was sending me.. so after he posted that.. which makes sense.. (sending goeff to IEF sending david WCG ) in theory it would be no problems sending me to a lan.. but little did he know.. how wrong he was.. ^^
sorry duran <3 ;(


damn T__T

D.C LAN >>> WCG + IEF , you should tell them that.

TT i know.. sadly no one will listen..

the biggest truth about what u said.. a american will win the D.C Lan money.. when WCG and IEF we will get raped.. great experence but.. top koreans like bisu stork jaedong.. Going to be near impossible to top3 ^^
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
October 19 2009 22:18 GMT
#96
No Jake at DC LAN anymore? WTF! *tears*
Moletrap
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1297 Posts
October 19 2009 23:08 GMT
#97
re: the last page of posts

I'm just really confused about how anyone thought that any of this makes sense.
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nextstep
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada705 Posts
October 19 2009 23:09 GMT
#98
On October 20 2009 06:12 yenta wrote:
Sponsoring Louder's trip to WCG: Wow EG is pretty cool! Nice team

Not letting Louder raise $500 to also hit up IEF: Wow suddenly lost all respect for EG

Sums up my feelings.


depends the order you get your news i guess.
if you got the news the other way around it'd be:

Not letting Louder raise $500 to hit up IEF: Wow, no respect for EG

However, Sponsoring Louder's trip to WCG: Wow, EG is pretty cool! Nice team
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nbtnbt5
Profile Joined March 2009
232 Posts
October 19 2009 23:26 GMT
#99
On October 20 2009 06:07 zulu_nation8 wrote:
EG sends their dota team everywhere afaik


EG's dota team wins quite often so....
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-19 23:28:19
October 19 2009 23:28 GMT
#100
Why doesn't Louder pay for it himself, take it out of the kids college fund or something?

Then the community donates $500 to Louder's kids college fund.

I... am a genius.
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fAnTaCy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States893 Posts
October 19 2009 23:36 GMT
#101
On October 20 2009 08:28 Hot_Bid wrote:
Why doesn't Louder pay for it himself, take it out of the kids college fund or something?

Then the community donates $500 to Louder's kids college fund.

I... am a genius.


Fuck this made me lol out loud pretty hard. Pretty good idea too if you ask me O_O
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 19 2009 23:44 GMT
#102
On October 20 2009 08:26 nbtnbt5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2009 06:07 zulu_nation8 wrote:
EG sends their dota team everywhere afaik


EG's dota team wins quite often so....


Louder has placed top 3 at every LAN he's ever played: WCG USA 08, US Open, WCG USA 09, DC LAN...

Obv it's not like he's gonna be winning IEF or WCG Grand Final, but he has a much better track record than most players, so he seems like a pretty attractive choice if you want to have a decent shot at placing well at an event.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
October 19 2009 23:48 GMT
#103
I've just emailed all the people who donated - I will either refund the money or use it towards a community event, I will post after I have responses from each of the donors.
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Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
October 20 2009 00:05 GMT
#104
You're free to edit the original post if you want Xeris, although doing so will break the bigness of the red. You can MSN me if you want me to restore it or edit it and keep it that way.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
October 20 2009 00:59 GMT
#105
Lol this is stupid, I mean it is dumb they can't pay for him, but louder made a good point, we don't expect them to send everyone everywhere. They already forked over a few thousand dollars but its really gay they won't let us send him if we want.
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