EPT[T] Savior's Resolve - Page 10
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Garnet
Vietnam9033 Posts
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On September 18 2009 13:53 writer22816 wrote: The All-stars is a nothing tournament. Neither were the 3 special tournaments Bisu beat savior in back in 2007. Neither was Gom because savior "didn't care", he had his 3 MSL's, and was overworked? ( i don't believe this though) If we look at it in that way, Bisu is only 5-2 vs Savior... you'd expect more, no? | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On September 18 2009 13:43 Jayme wrote: One day we will get to see Calm in a Bo5 that isn't ZvZ... Until then I don't think Calm has really a better chance to Bo5 over Bisu or Flash or Fantasy ehh... Well, then, I don't suppose this is the thread for logic. | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On September 18 2009 14:14 Avidkeystamper wrote: Well, then, I don't suppose this is the thread for logic. You know, I always thought you were a rabid Savior fan, but that might be because I tend to lump all Zerg fans into one huge group. Kinda like how everyone thinks all Protoss fans like Bisu, or all KHAN fans like FBH. In agreement with your point, considering that Canata beat Savior in the Avalon MSL RO32, I would say that it is far less likely that Savior can beat the likes of Jaedong, Flash, and Bisu compared to a player like Calm. | ||
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ForSC2
United States580 Posts
On September 18 2009 13:28 baubo wrote: Not sure what you're implying. I just stated my stance that not everyone thinks Savior is God like his fanboys, so it's not like haters will somehow start loving him if he leaves the game. That's just such an absurd assumption. Btw, I'm not actually a Savior hater. I did dislike him back when he was beating the crap out of my boy Stork left and right. But that was a long time ago. Right now, I don't feel either way about him. When Savior finally started losing, that's when he actually got most of his fans. He left the game the day Bisu beat him. Many people that professed these exaggerated displays of hatred toward him (calling him hitler, lucky, etc.) started loving him, and even die hard haters went to neutral. Now the new generation of Savior haters spring up because of fanboys like me. Imagine how a Reach fan would feel if someone called Reach in Daum OSL a spineless girl. Those people never learned why Reach is the hero. Throughout his career most everyone treated him like shit because his era signified the end of the old veterans who mostly disappeared/retired soon after Savior was 3:0ed: Reach, Boxer, Iloveoov, Nada, Nal_Ra, etc. They gave him the nickname Ma Jae Woon meaning luck because people couldn't accept the fact that this guy was better than their favorites until he 3:0'ed boxer. After that people give him shit about playing too well, not showing enough emotion, being too perfect what the fuck kind of criticisms are these on a person's play. It's like if people can't find anything to bitch about someone they invent something to piss themselves off. Not to mention the fact that they dressed him up like Hitler and made him into the perpetual bad guy what the fuck is wrong with these people. Then if that isn't enough even the map makers turn against him with maps so bad Savior even believes he could beat a zerg player with terran on these maps, and despite it all Savior makes it to 6 consecutive finals in a row with a ridiculous schedule vs his peers and attempts to do what only Nada had done previously which was win the OSL and MSL in the same season. He fights his way through the scariest terran players the traditional bane of zerg with Midas in the ro16, Iris who's play was even better than Midas in the ro4, and the most accomplished player of all time and the only player that was able to do what Savior was attempting this run (Win OSL + MSL same season) Nada. At that point even if you hated him there was no way to concede that he wasn't obviously the best player in the game right then. He beat all the top players on the scene. He had a rape record vs the previous Bonjwa Iloveoov. He was tested vs all the top terrans and reached the finals in both leagues, already winning the difficult part in beating the most accomplished player in the game in the OSL finals. Now as people saw it all he had left was the MSL finals against this unknown newcomer everyone expected Savior to destroy and everyone saw the OSL and MSL finals as good as his as soon as Nada was beaten. It's like fighting through this difficult game, beating every challenge the game can throw at you, even when the game becomes rigged vs you and finally reaching a point where you can sit back and say yeah you know what this guy took every challenge you could think of and threw it right back in your face because Savior's that god damn good. No matter how bad you guys tried to rig this game, he still beat every possible challenge, he won at Starcraft. And then what? He fights Bisu who has found this secret gimmick that guaranteed his victory vs zerg as no player had been accustomed to the build and no zerg in any era would have been able to counter it if they had not actively seen and fought against this style before. So what now? After one week as the undisputed best now all those people that rigged those maps, called him Hitler, treated him like an emotionless robot less than a human being would soon be breathing down his neck again. If they could think of all that shit to say while his play literally had no holes and was perfect could you imagine what these douchebags could spit at him if he actually lost? So yeah, to the haters fuck you. If I ever met Savior I'd high five him for what he did. Because he was good people treated him like less than a human being, then after showing some emotion it was clear as day the only ones that lacked humanity was themselves. I didn't get to follow Starcraft progaming until 2007, so I wasn't there to see why Reach is considered the Hero, why Yellow is considered The Storm Zerg, why Xellos is perfect, and why Boxer is the emperor. That's why I greatly value anyone that can tell me about those times and those player's struggles. I could never get into watching player's games, but I like the stories and effort these player's are capable of putting into a single moment. Despite that I am grateful for being able to follow it when I did because even if I couldn't know about the rest, it let me follow one player and be able to know why Savior is The Maestro. | ||
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ForSC2
United States580 Posts
On September 18 2009 14:14 Avidkeystamper wrote: Well, then, I don't suppose this is the thread for logic. Affairs of the heart are not based in logic. | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On September 18 2009 14:50 Kyo Yuy wrote: You know, I always thought you were a rabid Savior fan, but that might be because I tend to lump all Zerg fans into one huge group. Kinda like how everyone thinks all Protoss fans like Bisu, or all KHAN fans like FBH. In agreement with your point, considering that Canata beat Savior in the Avalon MSL RO32, I would say that it is far less likely that Savior can beat the likes of Jaedong, Flash, and Bisu compared to a player like Calm. I am only a fan of ppl on Oz and Stork. I do know what you're talking about, I always generalize people with protoss/terran/SKT/ACE icons as Bisu fans. Maybe I'm paranoid, maybe he has a lot of fans. | ||
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ForSC2
United States580 Posts
On September 18 2009 15:29 Avidkeystamper wrote: I am only a fan of ppl on Oz and Stork. I do know what you're talking about, I always generalize people with protoss/terran/SKT/ACE icons as Bisu fans. Maybe I'm paranoid, maybe he has a lot of fans. It's not that unusual of an assumption http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=101139 Terran: 1. (T)BoxeR 4499 17.37% ▲.11% 2. (T)Flash 4166 16.08% ▲.01% 3. (T)fantasy 3511 13.55% ▽.03% 4. (T)NaDa 1712 6.61% ▲.03% 5. (T)fOrGG 1543 5.96% ▽.02% Zerg: 1. (Z)sAviOr 4905 18.93% ▽.14% 2. (Z)YellOw 4661 17.99% ▽.1% 3. (Z)Jaedong 4395 16.97% ▽.11% 4. (Z)EffOrt 2221 8.57% ▽.01% 5. (Z)Hyuk 1513 5.84% ▲.12% Protoss: 1. (P)Bisu 5819 22.46% ▽.11% 2. (P)Stork 3959 15.28% ▽.06% 3. (P)BeSt 3390 13.09% ▲.1% 4. (P)Reach 2251 8.69% ▲.07% 5. (P)Anytime 1152 4.45% ▲.11% Look at how much of a difference in fanvotes Bisu has in comparison with any other player of any race. If you like Protoss theres a good chance you like Bisu. | ||
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Moletrap
United States1297 Posts
All talk, no action. | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
On September 18 2009 15:29 Avidkeystamper wrote: I am only a fan of ppl on Oz and Stork. I do know what you're talking about, I always generalize people with protoss/terran/SKT/ACE icons as Bisu fans. Maybe I'm paranoid, maybe he has a lot of fans. I have a lot more respect for team fans than I do for race fans, to be honest. There's a certain poster on TL who calls himself a CJ fan, even though he hates the Protosses on CJ and claims to be as big a Jaedong fan as he is a CJ fan. In reality, he is just a Zerg fanboy who really really likes Savior and absolutely despises Protoss no matter what team they are on. For me it seems rather shallow to have an opinion on a player just based on the race they play. I think a large portion of the dislike from Bisu comes not just from his attitude, but from the fact that he plays Protoss. I mean, FBH, magma[S.G.], and go.go have done way more blatantly BM things and they get much less flack for what they do. Maybe it's because they haven't accomplished as much, but I am more of the opinion that it's because they don't play Protoss. I do know how you feel about being a Stork only fan. I used to think I was a KHAN fan, but then I realized I just like Stork for his hard-working-yet-still-underdog perception that gave him nothing but silver medals until Incruit OSL. He may not have an interesting dramatic story like GGPlay or Nada, but I still have to hand it to him for being persistent no matter how much silver he got. I think, with the return of Boxer, you can't assume all SKT fans are Bisu fans. There are SKT fans out there who dislike Bisu, but still are SKT fans because of Boxer and iloveoov  . | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10852 Posts
"I will overcome my slump/burn out and train hard again so i can win, i promise?" Seriously, you could basically copy paste most of that stuff from every interview with every old player... At least the underlying message... Well... Actually you can do that with 90% of the Progamer interviews... | ||
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
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Probe.
United States877 Posts
On September 18 2009 17:02 Velr wrote: What exactly in this interview is diffrent from every other player saying: "I will overcome my slump/burn out and train hard again so i can win, i promise?" Seriously, you could basically copy paste most of that stuff from every interview with every old player... At least the underlying message... Well... Actually you can do that with 90% of the Progamer interviews... Yes but this is the fucking Maestro himself. I BELIEVE | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
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soudo
603 Posts
...But it seems like we get a reminder every 6 months that Savior is going to magically come back to form. It didn't work after he said he would do better when he lost to Bisu, it didn't work after he dropped out of both leagues and failed to qualify, and it didn't work after his infamous Blizzcon statement. I want to see Savior win, not make excuses. Him answering questions like "what's wrong?" and "what are you going to do differently next season" won't change anything. Nobody asked July to win the golden mouse, he just went out and got it. Savior should do the same. Stop telling everybody why you're underachieving. We all know it's psychological. We get it. Now go and start winning. We'll get another interview that checks up on Savior's status in another couple of months. Hopefully by then, he won't have to say anything except point to his win/loss record. | ||
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IrrasO
United States408 Posts
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white
Korea (North)62 Posts
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abyss
Czech Republic139 Posts
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ForSC2
United States580 Posts
On September 18 2009 17:02 Velr wrote: What exactly in this interview is diffrent from every other player saying: "I will overcome my slump/burn out and train hard again so i can win, i promise?" Seriously, you could basically copy paste most of that stuff from every interview with every old player... At least the underlying message... Well... Actually you can do that with 90% of the Progamer interviews... Yep, player's don't ask to be interviewed anyway so if nothing changed since the last time what more are they gonna say. | ||
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Nylan
United States795 Posts
Nice guy, though. | ||
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