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motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
September 17 2009 11:19 GMT
#141
On September 17 2009 20:07 writer22816 wrote:
Savior won't even qualify for either leagues. We going to to see something akin to Magma's ultimate trash talk.

Magma: the six dragons are actually six acorns lol

then he loses to much, MUCH in a bo3 with TEARS OF THE MOON as one of the maps. Then he retires.

Much wasn't a dragon
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nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
September 17 2009 11:20 GMT
#142
lol even if he only manages to be part of CJ's regular lineup next season, i will be happy enough ...
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
ForSC2
Profile Joined June 2009
United States580 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-17 12:04:54
September 17 2009 11:23 GMT
#143
On September 17 2009 13:54 omninmo wrote:
"doesnt practice alot"
hmmm. maybe he ought to instead of going to get his balls washed.
this is probably the 73rd "No, I'm really coming back this time" MJY interview.
best of luck as always...but lets see some results instead of a photo-shoot and interview.

savior slumped because he didnt keep up with the SC times.
Everyone figured him out and went gunning for him.
He didn't respond well mentally and so spiraled down.
Instead of practicing and developing a new style he sought to drown his anguish in the mouths of korean whores.



.


I never cared if Savior came back or not. I liked him as a person.

Savior went out in a legendary way, after that storywise almost every finals has been pretty mediocre. (I'm not talking about in terms of gameplay. I mean like epic Boxer vs Yellow kind of hype.) Also the gameplay of some of the current "epic" ones have been pretty bad. Golden Mouse July and Jaedong 3:0 no chance fights. Stork vs Fantasy was decent storywise with Stork choking from a 2:0 lead. Bisu vs Mind was during the following MSL

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=61851

In his post when HonestTea is praying for Nal_Ra instead of Bisu/Savior. He says:

"It reminds me that someday, even Savior and Bisu will stop being bulletproof."

Even when we were praying for the old generation the new generation of Bisu fails to an even newer generation and thus begins Bisu's half year slump.



The thing about Savior that many people seem to miss is that when he was good most people didn't like him. People dressed him up like hitler, only watched games in hopes that he'd lose, and made threads seriously discussing whether or not Savior's dominance was good for Starcraft. People felt this way up till the moment he won his first OSL and finally after his entire career gave him a little bit of credit standing there after having defeated the most accomplished player of all time. Then right after his greatest moment he loses 3:0 to what would become the best Protoss player of all time. At this point Savior had two options: 1) Play his ass off so he could likely become like Nada was after Nada had won OSL/MSLx3 and got to the finals over and over only to lose to Iloveoov. 2) Say fuck it to the majority of people that hated him for being that good, get some hookers, and walk out on the majority of sc fans that couldn't even appreciate him for being that good. In Starcraft for one moment we saw real perfection and we threw it away because perfect wasn't good enough for us. So I'm not bothered when Savior picked the second option omninmo. Because maybe when he left like he did we all realized we didn't deserve him.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=50245&currentpage=2

On February 24 2007 23:05 rgfdxm wrote:
A lot of people seem to forget that Savior is human. For these people, he is resented because of his dominant play, but this dominant play is never really credited to him. Savior is instead a force of nature interrupting the world of progaming and ruthlessly keeping "real" human progamers down, a scourge that stops the best of BW from winning. His composure during and after play makes him "robotic" and "inhuman," his builds "macro-whorish" and exploitative.

What I think more people should really realize is that Savior himself is a 20 year old kid. He wasn't granted some great gift from the heavens to be able to play BW. He worked damn hard to get where he is, and every aspect of his skills and strengths now was forged over years of practice and determination, just like a Ra or a Boxer or a July.

We all acknowledge what a daunting - no, terrifying experience it must be to get in front of a crowd of hundreds or thousands and even more on television, including family and friends, and be expected to play a lightning fast game of skill and concentration against what you know will be a world-class opponent. We acknowledge from the example of players like Midas or Canata that practice, skill, and dedication alone won't win you titles. Mental strength to me is the hallmark of Savior's style, and I see many people resent him for it when to me it is a thing to be respected, whether or not I like him, whether or not I like his games.

When Savior got on that stage opposite Nada a day ago, on maps known not to favor his race, playing against the most accomplished player in history, I don't understand how you could not give Savior some respect for his composure and beautifully consistent play. Savior's style is to make no mistakes, play for every small advantage he can get and let the mistakes of his opponent accumulate to spell their doom. I can understand that some people will find that more boring than, say, July's balls-to-the-wall aggressiveness. But that is why July is the God of War, and Savior the Maestro. Feel free to appreciate tactics over strategy or vice versa, but one is not more "inhuman."

I'm not especially a fan of Savior. I'm a very optimistic kind of person, and I enjoy seeing all players succeed. I would have been happy with any result of the semifinal matches. I can understand that other people would rather see some players win than others, but the outright dismissal of Savior as something other than human frustrates me. Those of you who demonize him, remember that he's put in the time, he developed his signature builds himself, he is elevating the play of his race to new heights. Imagine how it would be for you in Savior's position. Could you be as cool, as composed, as consistent as he is? Savior, name change or no, is still the same person, the same human, he was years ago as IPXZerg. His dominance is not a fact of life, it's a result of his growth as a player in every way.

There's no zerg master waiting for him back at CJ, ready to give him the new builds that win on maps like RT and Longinus 2 against players like Hwasin, Midas, Nada, no cheat sheet that gives him the answers. He's a man with a target on his back, doing his best and making it up as he goes along. If Savior's defiler use is godly, it isn't because God hates Nada, it's because Savior more than anyone around him realized the power of defilers and practiced his art to perfection. If you care to deride him for "drone-whoring," then I'll challenge you to a game of BW PvZ, but you're not allowed to make drones.

He was given the same tools as every other zerg in BW history, and I can't disdain him for seeing their potential in ways no one else has. Other players have done that before, and most of them are revered and respected. Those who hated Boxer and his dropships, Nada and his multitasking, oov and his macro are nowadays mostly gone. Those players contributed greatly to the game of BW and have masses of fans to show for it. Any of you who can still honestly not respect them now, feel free to disrespect Savior and pray for him to lose all his games and go back to being a nobody as IPXZerg. Then I'll know who not to pay attention to.
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=2883#comic
The_Australian
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Australia458 Posts
September 17 2009 11:36 GMT
#144
On September 17 2009 20:19 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2009 20:07 writer22816 wrote:
Savior won't even qualify for either leagues. We going to to see something akin to Magma's ultimate trash talk.

Magma: the six dragons are actually six acorns lol

then he loses to much, MUCH in a bo3 with TEARS OF THE MOON as one of the maps. Then he retires.

Much wasn't a dragon


Thats the point. If Much wasnt a dragon and he got 3-0'd on favourable maps then what is he compared to the dragons.
"Nothing should be unstoppable when you see it coming...." - Boxer
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
September 17 2009 11:52 GMT
#145
On September 17 2009 20:36 The_Australian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2009 20:19 motbob wrote:
On September 17 2009 20:07 writer22816 wrote:
Savior won't even qualify for either leagues. We going to to see something akin to Magma's ultimate trash talk.

Magma: the six dragons are actually six acorns lol

then he loses to much, MUCH in a bo3 with TEARS OF THE MOON as one of the maps. Then he retires.

Much wasn't a dragon


Thats the point. If Much wasnt a dragon and he got 3-0'd on favourable maps then what is he compared to the dragons.


lmao

1. he was sarcastic
2. know what you're talking about
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
ForSC2
Profile Joined June 2009
United States580 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-17 11:59:09
September 17 2009 11:53 GMT
#146
On September 17 2009 13:39 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2009 11:58 Marathe wrote:
Nada and July never just "disappeared". Nada has always played well and July only played mediocre while he was having trouble with his team. As soon as transferred to STX he won another OSL... Savior's got absolutely nothing going for him. As far as I can tell he's still just trying to play "Savior Style SC" which has been pretty well "solved" imo by the new school players.


I don't know what you're talking about. It's a myth that Savior disappeared after Bisu. Savior was indisputably the best Zerg in the world until JD's OSL run at the very earliest, and played extremely well after Bisu (just didn't win any more leagues which is all that people expect from a guy like him). That means Savior was the best Zerg in the world until approximately November 2007.

Savior's 2008 was pretty disappointing but he still kept qualifying for MSL (and always has). I would say after July's OSL win in August 2008, Savior has actually played at a higher level overall than Nada or July.

Savior had never lost a non zvz bo5 from his debut in 2003 until he lost to Bisu in 2007, then suddenly he loses nearly every best of 5 he participates in. After losing 3:0 to Bisu,

he beats Casy who drops off the map and loses just about every single game after the OSL Savior wins and even manages to take a game off Savior. I mean jesus christ look at Casy's record after that OSL http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/players/187_Casy/games#tblt-521-3-1-DESC

he then proceeds to lose to Nada 3:1 who Savior had just beat 3:1 on very unfavorable maps. After that he loses to Firebathero, Mind, Zero, and let's not forget the skins matches and PJ.

In fact after the free win Casy gave Savior the only best of 5 win Savior got was from Free and that was because he was actually doing very well still in zvp still rarely dropping a game because it seems it was the only thing he bothered to practice.

All this from the guy that never lost a non zvz bo5 in 4 years.

Savior's skill level in non vs protoss matchups after Bisu is equivalent to him stopping practice completely in zvt and zvz. I don't disagree that Savior was still the best zerg around until Jaedong showed up because savior's level was simply so high he didn't even have to practice and he could hit the ro8 from where he'd been. And I don't put GGPlay higher cause he was gone as soon as he came. Gorush got crushed by Bisu anyway and no other zerg did anything until Jaedong.
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=2883#comic
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 17 2009 12:05 GMT
#147
On September 17 2009 06:03 PH wrote:
I hate to be the asshole realist...but I seriously don't think it's going to happen. Ro32 at best. ):

Well how's that being a realist? O_o Even during his deepest slump in 08 he got at least that far.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
September 17 2009 13:22 GMT
#148
MJY FTW!!!!
maybe he'll go crazy like jaedong and win 2 OSL's back to back.
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
September 17 2009 13:39 GMT
#149
On September 17 2009 05:13 sixghost wrote:
Sorry savior, I'm not getting sucked into this again.

-_- noob.
sAviOr did destroy everyone in 2009.. In the heritage league lol.
Entusman #51
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-17 18:09:38
September 17 2009 18:09 GMT
#150
All of the "realists" are going to feel a bit dumb when Savior wins the OSL, MSL, and proleague next season...

I have the advantage there: If I'm wrong, I can just say I was joking.
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
September 17 2009 18:29 GMT
#151
Is it just me, or does MJY doesn't look as healthy as he used to?
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
September 17 2009 18:33 GMT
#152
Yeeesss!!! Do it Savior! Dominant or not, I want to see good games and a happy (on the inside) Savior!

The fans suffer when they see Savior sad :O Bring us out of this horrible depression.
LEGEND!! LEGEND!!
FakeKisser
Profile Joined September 2008
United States159 Posts
September 17 2009 19:01 GMT
#153
Thanks for the translation. I can't say there is a lot of "meat" there, but it is nice to hear he wants to play just for the "love of the game." It's also funny that he said he is "not the type that practices a lot."
"Every generation needs a revolution" - Thomas Jefferson
Bifur
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Russian Federation1208 Posts
September 17 2009 19:08 GMT
#154
Savior has no chance. He will never win series over Jaedong, Bisu and Flash
Tropics
Profile Joined August 2007
United Kingdom1132 Posts
September 17 2009 19:22 GMT
#155
saviors style is too unstable to really come back in full capacity imo

maybe if he really buckles down and gets ridiculous mechanics but i dunno, can't really see it happening

if he can keep making leagues and gets to play in pl i dont really care though :D
Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
September 17 2009 19:25 GMT
#156
On September 18 2009 04:08 Bifur wrote:
Savior has no chance. He will never win series over Jaedong, Bisu and Flash

Right.... and Calm has a better chance right?

On September 18 2009 04:22 Tropics wrote:
saviors style is too unstable to really come back in full capacity imo

maybe if he really buckles down and gets ridiculous mechanics but i dunno, can't really see it happening

if he can keep making leagues and gets to play in pl i dont really care though :D

Yeah, he will certainly not dominate like he used to, but it sounds like he will be playing in proleague which makes me xD

On September 18 2009 03:29 Liquid_Turbo wrote:
Is it just me, or does MJY doesn't look as healthy as he used to?

I didnt notice anything.
Entusman #51
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
September 17 2009 19:51 GMT
#157
On September 17 2009 20:07 writer22816 wrote:
Savior won't even qualify for either leagues. We going to to see something akin to Magma's ultimate trash talk.

Magma: the six dragons are actually six acorns lol

then he loses to much, MUCH in a bo3 with TEARS OF THE MOON as one of the maps. Then he retires.

yeah, too bad Savior stomped Bisu when he and Magma were in the same MSL group.

and anyways, Magma was a player never known for anything other than a mouth and mediocrity, while Savior...
SuperaddE
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden132 Posts
September 17 2009 20:28 GMT
#158
It would sure be awesome having saviOr in top form again
RIP KT_Violet
vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
September 17 2009 21:38 GMT
#159
On September 17 2009 20:23 ForSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2009 13:54 omninmo wrote:

The thing about Savior that many people seem to miss is that when he was good most people didn't like him. People dressed him up like hitler, only watched games in hopes that he'd lose, and made threads seriously discussing whether or not Savior's dominance was good for Starcraft. People felt this way up till the moment he won his first OSL and finally after his entire career gave him a little bit of credit standing there after having defeated the most accomplished player of all time. Then right after his greatest moment he loses 3:0 to what would become the best Protoss player of all time. At this point Savior had two options: 1) Play his ass off so he could likely become like Nada was after Nada had won OSL/MSLx3 and got to the finals over and over only to lose to Iloveoov. 2) Say fuck it to the majority of people that hated him for being that good, get some hookers, and walk out on the majority of sc fans that couldn't even appreciate him for being that good. In Starcraft for one moment we saw real perfection and we threw it away because perfect wasn't good enough for us. So I'm not bothered when Savior picked the second option omninmo. Because maybe when he left like he did we all realized we didn't deserve him.


Very nice wrap-up.. sAviOr at his peak was OMG.. crazy how people praise jaedong as being so good.. when sAviOr according to the fans was "too good".

Which is why sAviOr will always be the most feared Zerg of BW

As for the comeback.. Mental attitude plays huge role in starcraft which is what alot of these fucking chobos don't understand. Anyone at a remotely high level can back me.. you can walk away from the game for months or even years. Pick it up again and the old shit is still there if a bit rusty.. take Ret for example. When you spend so much of your life doing soemthing it does not.. I'll repeat to ram into your heads.. DOES NOT fade away that easily.

People are talking shit about "oh savior doesnt even practice alot" in a such negative vibe. When to me thats fucking good thing. Realize that sAviOr was beating A-CLASS progamers (maybe not the best but A-Class level.. when he is hardly gaming and feeling unconfident in his starcraft play? That alone should say damn this guy is good.

Now.. I'm not even a sAviOr fan it just pisses me off that people would treat him so badly. Same with [NC]..YellOw people trash him likes he's a fucking joke. But I got enough common sense to realize how great sAviOr is/was.. and denying that would put you on the level of some fucking skilless newbie who claims IdrA blows.. When you aint gonna see even one BW player over the rank of C caught dead saying such shit.

sAviOr is one of the most inventive and strategical players BW has ever witnessed. and for above reasons it is defiantly possible sAviOr could make some kind of return.. and to deny that is the most foolish thing you could say.

Breaking Bad
Shuray
Profile Joined July 2008
Brazil642 Posts
September 17 2009 22:51 GMT
#160
I believe in the last time, I'll believe again, as long as he play and enjoy, there will be hope
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