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Artifical Manners, Gosu maps, and an Amazing Game

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Ty2
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1434 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-23 17:19:29
November 23 2013 06:55 GMT
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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-23 23:08:51
November 23 2013 15:51 GMT
#2
If you go random, you have the advantage of having your opponent having to do a very safe build, and if you remove that, there's no point in choosing random other than wanting to have some fun.


Which is why it's a flaw in the game. Random shouldn't be anonymous, it adds nothing interesting to the game. It also fucks over some races more than others, so it's imbalanced, too.

Random should just be for when you don't want to decide what race to play. That it gives you an advantage (which is really big vs some races, and not as big vs others) and / or turns StarCraft in to a guessing game is a design flaw.

In my past experience observing in play/ob games hosted on BW east whenever someone goes random the opposing player who chose a race immediately asks "what race"


Why would the observers not want both players to know the other's race? Why wouldn't you, and both players involved, want to know the races? It makes the game better. There's no fun watching a game in which one player is handicapped right from the start.

We abandoned Blizzard's bad maps (for the most part, we still play Blood Bath, although there is a superior custom version that makes mineral income even for all starting locations, and lets all 4 starting locations wall off instead of just 3).

We made our own map editors so we could have more features, and fix the limitations and flaws of the game. (examples include ramps only being able to face two directions, and vespene gas being harvested slower if the geyser is below the hall compared to above)

We should abandon Blizzard's "random" feature, just like we abandoned their pesky maps.

Anyway, I'm glad you beat that guy. It sounds like he deserved it.
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
HereBeDragons
Profile Joined May 2011
1429 Posts
November 23 2013 17:40 GMT
#3
You could easily turn this into a BR with some screencaps
Cyx.
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada806 Posts
November 24 2013 09:15 GMT
#4
On November 24 2013 02:40 HereBeDragons wrote:
You could easily turn this into a BR with some screencaps

I second this, I would have loved pics lol =D not that it was really feasible... but it was a really good story =D
traceurling
Profile Joined December 2012
United States1240 Posts
November 25 2013 03:57 GMT
#5
I disagree with your theory on random and maps, vOdToasT covers the reasons pretty well.
That said, I enjoyed your story, you should expand it and add pictures it sounds very awesome and I'd love to see it.
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