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ep14 eSports Production: Jib Arms at MLG, IPL4, DH

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moge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States124 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-07 12:45:03
May 07 2012 12:35 GMT
#1


Welcome to episode 14 of eSports Production Value! This week we take a look at the Jib Arms used at MLG Columbus, IPL4 and Dreamhack. However, instead of focusing on this one, albeit cool, thing that no one but the 'big boys' can use I instead focus on the meta of how and why they used them. What you will see if that the lessons learned and the techniques used are applicable to any production. I also introduce you to the idea of bringing 'scale' to your productions. Let's get rolling!

A jib is simply a camera mounted on a small crane-devise. It is weight balanced and often has a thumb toggle to allow the operator to swivel the camera around. The jib arm itself telescopes in and out and allows for very dynamic shots.

I first look at MLG Columbus' use of the jib. This was the first jib used this season and, in general, we really haven't seen them used all that much. When I walked into the MLG arena and saw the jib I was super excited - like really, really excited! However, as I watched how they used the jib arm throughout the weekend I kinda became bummed. I know what something like this is capable of and I was kinda wanting more 'sexy', more zooms and camera whips. That is why they had the jib. right? To be sexy? To bring 'real production value' to the show, right? wrong! Keep reading to find out why I was wrong.

IPL4 on the other hand, I thought, used their jib in a more dynamic way. They swept across the audience as the lights flashed and the music blared. 'THIS is production value!' I I thought as I sat in the dedicated starcraft 2 conference hall in Las Vegas. The lights, the sound, this is super sweet.

Now, Dreamhack. I wasn't at dreamhack but on good-lordy why would I ever want to be? I mean, seriously, with a production as balls out amazing as this was I almost feel like the people at home got a better show that the people in the room (not something I have ever said before, btw). Their camera work wasn't camera movement as much as camera choreography. Their cameras, sets and dedicated lighting truly made it one hell of a production. They were the very definition of sexy. They stretched the use of each element to the max. It was incredible.
Check out the DreamHack video clip starts at 49:34
http://www.twitch.tv/dreamhacktv/b/315814339

So, now we have 3 different shows all using a jib arm and we have seen 3 different uses of that tech. Who was better? Who was best? Who brought the best production? These are the questions I thought I was going to discuss. That is until I actually pondered the notion of not who was the best – typically rated on a 'need-a-sock' scale of 1-to-laundry day – as in who brought the most dynamic show, the sexiest show. If I were to rate on that alone, well, dreamhack has this no contest. HOWEVER! And I want you to listen to this part, what I discovered was that it is not ONLY about the sexy-sexy but it is also about the appropriateness of the venue. Let me introduce you to a filmaking concept call 'scale'.

Scale is the idea of bringing punch to your production; showing off your money, your production acumen but it also just makes a production more interesting to watch. Scale, to me, does 2 things: 1) it does the sexy, the exciting, the interesting, but 2) it also does something else very important and specific to eSports, it shows you that you are not the only person in the room. HUH?

MLG is in an arena. They have Halo to the right, FGC to the left and the open bracket to the rear. Do you think that they could have done all the huge fancy lighting, the darkened room and the booming sound cues? No. IPL4 and dreamhack on the other hand were in dedicated spaces each having full environmental control. They had the luxury of being able to wrap you up and pump the vibe into you. I guess what I am saying is that each venue brought different needs but they all succeeded in doing something that every large LAN production needs to do; they need to show me, the viewer, that I am not the only one in the room. They need to make me, the sitting at home viewer, that there are tons of other people enjoying this production along with me.

So, in the end what I discovered is that Dreamhack did something totally different with the meta of their production. Because it was so polished, because it was so very well done I know that next time I will be sitting at home, feet up enjoying the production because I know that I am probably getting a better show sitting at home than the guys in the room. DH was a production. MLG was an event.

MLG, with the subtle use of the camera jib swept across the audience and showed that, WOW, there are like 2,000 people there. They are all jumping up and waving at the camera they are all having an amazing time! Holy crap! I -need- to be an MLG's next event!

There is a subtle thing that I discovered and, to be honest, I didn't think about this until I was doing the prep for this show MLG did not bring their jib in to show the sexy of scale. They brought their jib in to show the power of scale. They told me that I was not the only one in the room and that I really want to make it out to the next event.

Each show did something different but what we, as eSports fans, need to focus on is not just who brought the sexiest show to town. Who one-up'd everyone else. But we also need to look at the whole of the production and within the capabilities of the venue. It's an odd point I know but it is true and the more I thought about it the more I began to admire the simple use of the jib at the MLG arena but also appreciate the spectacle of the jib at IPL and DH.

Check out the video and let me know what you think. Also, I did an aftershow were I took questions from the folks in the live chat. We talking about running a startup, business books and what the hell my tattoo means. Enjoy!



About me:
I am the product manager at http://iHearteSports.com and I have been working in film and TV for over 10 years. I made this series to bring constructive critique of esports productions and also to pull the curtain back and help smaller productions learn the thought processes of some of the larger productions.

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gentle lover of esports - Product Manager for http://iHearteSports.com
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
May 07 2012 13:07 GMT
#2
great read and yes i agree dreamhack without doubt has no contest in the production side but then again mlg is an event so they are kind of different
banelings
moge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States124 Posts
May 07 2012 19:23 GMT
#3
BTW if you have a small weekly show or tournament I'm looking to do a show on a bunch of small podcasts. PM me ideas!
gentle lover of esports - Product Manager for http://iHearteSports.com
Pandesal94
Profile Joined June 2011
United States45 Posts
May 07 2012 19:33 GMT
#4
Thanks for doing these sir
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skyride
Profile Joined January 2011
Scotland103 Posts
May 07 2012 19:54 GMT
#5
Great stuff man!

I really love watching these.
Ares[Effort] *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
DEMACIA6550 Posts
May 07 2012 20:05 GMT
#6
Amazing as always!
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MLG_Adam
Profile Joined July 2010
United States994 Posts
May 07 2012 20:13 GMT
#7
Not going to lie, I was really disheartened when I read your first few paragraphs about our use of the jib. However, you ended up nailing it in terms of overall scope of use. We don't have a controlled setting. We are not in a theatre, or even a 30,000 square foot venue, we're in 100,000 square feet of gas lit expo space. We do our best to turn it into a show, but as you have pointed out, a gigantic show involving 1,000s of people live does not go hand in hand with a TV quality environment. We do our best to create a 'TV environment' back stage, but when you are servicing that many people IN THE ROOM, you will never achieve the 'show' effect you want.
Twitter: MrAdamAp
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
May 07 2012 20:13 GMT
#8
Awesome!
When SC2 PL and OSL begin I hope you can do an analysis of OGN's production as well
KTY
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
May 07 2012 20:14 GMT
#9
Another great episode.

You forgot to tell us what you were drinking though... more gin is my guess.
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
FreudianTrip
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland1983 Posts
May 07 2012 20:16 GMT
#10
Feel better Jason! As a smoker I can identify with that cough that just won't go away (not implying you smoke just I feel your pain bro)
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
May 07 2012 22:10 GMT
#11
I love this series, I hope you continue to do them. It helps the production in every event go up after you explain what is going on it seems.
Brood War forever!
moge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States124 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-07 22:24:07
May 07 2012 22:21 GMT
#12
On May 08 2012 05:13 MLG_Adam wrote:
Not going to lie, I was really disheartened when I read your first few paragraphs about our use of the jib. However, you ended up nailing it in terms of overall scope of use. We don't have a controlled setting. We are not in a theatre, or even a 30,000 square foot venue, we're in 100,000 square feet of gas lit expo space. We do our best to turn it into a show, but as you have pointed out, a gigantic show involving 1,000s of people live does not go hand in hand with a TV quality environment. We do our best to create a 'TV environment' back stage, but when you are servicing that many people IN THE ROOM, you will never achieve the 'show' effect you want.


Totally. It is so easy to judge, as I did at first, based solely on comparisons of sexy without taking into account venues or even styles. I'm glad I held off on doing this episode. I learned a lot from it and I think I have a different way of viewing events.

On May 08 2012 05:14 Dubzex wrote:
You forgot to tell us what you were drinking though... more gin is my guess.

1:22
gentle lover of esports - Product Manager for http://iHearteSports.com
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
May 07 2012 23:58 GMT
#13
On May 07 2012 22:07 leo23 wrote:
great read and yes i agree dreamhack without doubt has no contest in the production side but then again mlg is an event so they are kind of different

You mean Dreamhack isn't an event?
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
May 08 2012 00:43 GMT
#14
On May 08 2012 07:21 moge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 05:13 MLG_Adam wrote:
Not going to lie, I was really disheartened when I read your first few paragraphs about our use of the jib. However, you ended up nailing it in terms of overall scope of use. We don't have a controlled setting. We are not in a theatre, or even a 30,000 square foot venue, we're in 100,000 square feet of gas lit expo space. We do our best to turn it into a show, but as you have pointed out, a gigantic show involving 1,000s of people live does not go hand in hand with a TV quality environment. We do our best to create a 'TV environment' back stage, but when you are servicing that many people IN THE ROOM, you will never achieve the 'show' effect you want.


Totally. It is so easy to judge, as I did at first, based solely on comparisons of sexy without taking into account venues or even styles. I'm glad I held off on doing this episode. I learned a lot from it and I think I have a different way of viewing events.

Show nested quote +
On May 08 2012 05:14 Dubzex wrote:
You forgot to tell us what you were drinking though... more gin is my guess.

1:22

I somehow missed that... my bad.
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
moge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States124 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-08 02:00:37
May 08 2012 01:58 GMT
#15
Found this video interview of me talking about seeing the MLG jib for the first time. Starts at 2:56


gentle lover of esports - Product Manager for http://iHearteSports.com
8mmspikes
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1704 Posts
May 08 2012 04:28 GMT
#16
Great vid Jason! Agreed with IPL 4, experiencing that dedicated conference room with all the lights and that swinging jib, especially for GSTL and the finals, was quite a pleasure. The amount of work that Ron in production did on calling all the camera shots was great.

Also mafia with the TL boys at night was fun with ya mate, hope to do it again some time
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RoninShogun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States315 Posts
May 08 2012 04:58 GMT
#17
These are always so great, hope your cough is better soon man, keep up the good work
Artosis: Yeah I was gonna probe rush but someone did that yesterday
Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
May 08 2012 08:17 GMT
#18
If showing the crowd becomes a key focus for major production, can we anticipate the crowd mic as a future focus?
Thank God and gunrun.
elsezilla
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands30 Posts
May 08 2012 09:05 GMT
#19
Intressting blog indeed, will continiue to follow your future work!
Ik ben de speelgoed
moge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States124 Posts
May 08 2012 11:51 GMT
#20
On May 08 2012 17:17 Primadog wrote:
If showing the crowd becomes a key focus for major production, can we anticipate the crowd mic as a future focus?


I really hope so! I HATE that we don't use crowd mics more. Even a 15% feed into gameplay would add such an element of excitement to the match.
gentle lover of esports - Product Manager for http://iHearteSports.com
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