• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:27
CET 13:27
KST 21:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced!3
Community News
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship2[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage1Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win62025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!10
StarCraft 2
General
RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting RSL S3 Round of 16 [TLCH] Mission 7: Last Stand Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $3,500 WardiTV Korean Royale S4 WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ RSL S3 ro16
Tourneys
BSL21 Open Qualifiers Week & CONFIRM PARTICIPATION [ASL20] Grand Finals Small VOD Thread 2.0 The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Dating: How's your luck? Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Why we need SC3
Hildegard
Career Paths and Skills for …
TrAiDoS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1678 users

A New Season, Low league = Pro Lessons?

Blogs > Drogith
Post a Reply
Drogith
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1350 Posts
June 03 2011 13:55 GMT
#1
The League
So everybody and their second aunt on their father's side is excited about MLG today and the rest of this weekend. Myself included can't wait to be able to catch whatever matches I can in the hopes of seeing the Taste[9] casting combo that you know will pop up. I honestly didn't plan it this way, but the start of the NESC2League happens to almost coincide with this weekend (I'm off by 2 weeks btw June 18th). I did purposely plan all the event dates for the league to not happen on MLG weekends, but again, the irony is the seasonal start date.

Now, we have added another venue for this year down in the Cape in Massachusetts, as well as some really awesome sponsors that give a damn about the league, and not just advertising. Now, because of this love from companies like Kingston HyperX, Cooler Master, and NZXT, I have hundreds, and by hundreds I mean at least $400, of free gear to give out for free at EVERY tournament. Anyone want an SSD just for showing up?

Aside from the new venue down on the cape, I've added a location in Connecticut and freely invite and want to see New Jersey and New York folks come by and compete/hang out. You guys are close enough to New England that you could compete, and besides, if you want to show up and support a tournament, I don't care if you're from the west coast and show up to play (just make sure to register :p). In fact, if you want to make the long hike in a few weeks, we our registering for the first tournament in Maine on this thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=224482

Lower leagues?
Well, just about every tournament I have arranged has been for higher level players; diamond, master, grand master levels and it seems unfair to the real base of the community, everyone bronze -> platinum. I actually held a low league tournament a while back at a LAN center and we had a decent turnout of about 14 people. Most people couldn't make it due to long drives or bad timing. So to really rectify this, I had to do some additional work. I needed to figure out an affordable tournament, where anyone had a chance of winning, regardless of what division you are and the prizes weren't absurd. Something that will make you want to play because it's not just giving someone else your money. So I came up with this:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=228508

Now here is where I need some of your help. I'm not getting much attention for it, even though a lot of people had showed initial interest in. What do I need to change?

Area of Affect
I only have this in the New England area (NY and NJ included) as a test area. I'm close to the community here, but it seems like a lot of people have lost contact with the league website.
Poll: Keep it in New England for the first time?

No! I live (insert name) and I really want this! (7)
 
70%

Yes! It's all about passing athrough a test sample. (3)
 
30%

10 total votes

Your vote: Keep it in New England for the first time?

(Vote): Yes! It's all about passing athrough a test sample.
(Vote): No! I live (insert name) and I really want this!



Cost
$10 seems like a lot of money when you account 128 people. But let's think of the bigger picture; not every tournament is going to fill up with 32 players from each division. And when the lessons get opened up to other teams that have high prices for lessons (Idra=$300/hr) it ends up costing a lot of money for a pro players time. Now imagine both 1st and 2nd place want lessons from Idra, that comes to $900. With a lower entry fee, I wouldn't be able to provide every time we run the tournament.
Poll: Does it cost too much?

Something lower like $5 is much more manageable (7)
 
70%

No, $10 is a perfect amount considering th epossible prizes (3)
 
30%

Other (Let me know below) (0)
 
0%

10 total votes

Your vote: Does it cost too much?

(Vote): No, $10 is a perfect amount considering th epossible prizes
(Vote): Something lower like $5 is much more manageable
(Vote): Other (Let me know below)



I really want to make this happen for the community as I don't think there are enough stuff for us lower league guys, and this, I feel, really makes it worth the effort and cost. Please help me help you. I only used Idra as an example as he is the most expensive lesson of the teams that have confirmed

Founder of the New England SC2 League
a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
June 06 2011 21:51 GMT
#2
I think it's silly for people to think that $10 is unreasonable lol, I mean, really, the chance for 2 pro lessons for $10 or even 1 is pretty amazing!
VOD finder guy for sc2ratings.com/ ! aka: ogndrahcir, a9azn2 | Go ZerO, Stork, Sea, and KawaiiRice :D | nesc2league.com/forum/index.php | youtube.com/watch?v=oaGtjWL5mZo
Drogith
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1350 Posts
June 06 2011 23:59 GMT
#3
Make sure to spread the word out and get people to vote here. I really want this to be a big success for everyone involved.
Founder of the New England SC2 League
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Korean Royale
12:00
Open Qualifier #2
WardiTV322
LiquipediaDiscussion
Replay Cast
09:00
Crank Gathers S2: Playoffs D4
CranKy Ducklings172
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Livibee 78
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 21280
Rain 8380
Bisu 2602
Pusan 517
Stork 372
Last 228
Hyuk 203
Leta 147
Barracks 140
ToSsGirL 122
[ Show more ]
Liquid`Ret 46
Aegong 45
Sharp 42
JulyZerg 29
zelot 24
Icarus 22
sas.Sziky 18
Yoon 16
Free 15
Terrorterran 2
Dota 2
XcaliburYe1023
Counter-Strike
x6flipin413
edward25
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King59
Other Games
singsing1483
B2W.Neo330
crisheroes267
Pyrionflax239
Fuzer 170
XaKoH 156
Happy137
SortOf108
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL119
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 73
• LUISG 30
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2772
• Stunt636
Upcoming Events
LAN Event
2h 34m
OSC
10h 34m
The PondCast
21h 34m
LAN Event
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 10h
OSC
1d 23h
LAN Event
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
[ Show More ]
LAN Event
3 days
IPSL
3 days
dxtr13 vs OldBoy
Napoleon vs Doodle
Replay Cast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
LAN Event
4 days
IPSL
4 days
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025

Upcoming

BSL Season 21
SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
Stellar Fest
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.