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Sc2 Fights! [Round 2] Zealot

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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-26 02:14:48
March 21 2010 01:54 GMT
#1
Place yer bets!
I plan to do a bunch of these threads to familiarize people with different units stats and upgrades. After polls run for a day or two, I'll post results and videos.

What wins? A Zealot with 1 attack upgrade or a Zealot with Charge/Legs upgrade? (and other similar tests)


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Poll: Round 1v1

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TL was almost 100% correct.


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Poll: 5v5 A-Moved

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TL was mostly correct.


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Poll: 5v5 Focus Que
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TL was mostly correct.
This was kind of a dumb test tbh, because shift focusing all the zealots as they move around ends up making them look like a cat chasing it's tail, so in that event the charge lots would win, but in another case the +1 would win. Overall Focus Queing melee is kinda dumb if there is no micro after that. So we did another test where FQ vs AM and AM smoked.



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Poll: 10v10 A-Move
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TL was mostly correct.


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Poll: 10v10 Focus Que
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TL was half correct. Disregarding the funny bug. Again, like the 5v5 FQ test, it's kinda dumb. Almost always better to attack move and make select grups within that group focus the surface/nearby targets.


BELOW HERE WE VOTE ABOUT NO UPGRADES:

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Poll: 1v1
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TL half right! It's a tie.


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Poll: 5v5 A-Move
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TL was wrong! It's a tie.


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Poll: 5v5 Focus-Que
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Didn't do this test because FQ is dumb in melee. It's random and not applicable in a real battle.




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Poll: 10v10 A-Move
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TL was wrong! It's a tie.


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Poll: 10v10 Focus-Que
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Didn't do this test as well. Same reasons.


Bonus Footage:

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AND THE EVER SO EPIC, WHO WILL WIN
1-1-1 Charge lots or 1-1-1 Regular lots?


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..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
AcrossFiveJulys
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States3612 Posts
March 21 2010 02:31 GMT
#2
Nice idea. I'd be surprised if charge makes much of a difference in zeal vs zeal battles. I don't know much about PvP, but I think zealot vs stalker or zealot vs zealot/colossus would be more relevant.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
March 21 2010 03:03 GMT
#3
I'll let this poll run a few days, but we already tested it. Very interesting and surprising results (including a bug). I'll get the videos up after that.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
wonkman
Profile Joined March 2008
United States520 Posts
March 21 2010 03:05 GMT
#4
this seems relevant in the sense that in zvz speed for Zlings is a huge advantage if your opponent opted for no speed and it would be nice to know the difference between charge/nocharge and etc. although with the unit pathing charge would seem to make a lot of sense to get because it would seem that it vs say +1 seem about equal and with no charge you could get so many more hits in before the zealots in the back start attacking

I look forward to seeing these test's results :D
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
March 21 2010 03:15 GMT
#5
link to round 1 results ?
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
March 21 2010 03:26 GMT
#6
On March 21 2010 12:15 Etherone wrote:
link to round 1 results ?



It was roaches, videos are still uploading as of right now. So you can only read so far. Check back tomorrow. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=115663
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
March 21 2010 03:37 GMT
#7
i prefer this poll comes with the videos otherwise its 1/5 for this blog
noobilly
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Malaysia16 Posts
March 21 2010 03:46 GMT
#8
Could you try to match up different units? I would like to see, say 5 marauders and 5 marines vs 8 zealots.
I don't buy souls. How can anyone even own a soul? - Lucifer Morningstar
Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
March 21 2010 03:46 GMT
#9
On March 21 2010 12:26 CharlieMurphy wrote:
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On March 21 2010 12:15 Etherone wrote:
link to round 1 results ?



It was roaches, videos are still uploading as of right now. So you can only read so far. Check back tomorrow. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=115663

thanks.

and wow sick difference regen makes at least 1v1

On March 21 2010 12:37 justiceknight wrote:
i prefer this poll comes with the videos otherwise its 1/5 for this blog


the videos will come with the results in a few days time.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
March 21 2010 03:56 GMT
#10
On March 21 2010 12:37 justiceknight wrote:
i prefer this poll comes with the videos otherwise its 1/5 for this blog

yea, the whole point is so people can vote, then see the results later and see how they were wrong/right. If the results are in the op to start, then people will cheat..
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
nosliw
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2716 Posts
March 21 2010 04:09 GMT
#11
with charge, the only benefit it that you hit first, but since zealots takes lots of hit to kill, the +1 attack will eventually give enough dmg to off set the first hit. I don't see any reason why charge will beat +1. +1 wins all the way
~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 21 2010 04:28 GMT
#12
You said surprising results....I'll assume that means charge makes a very decent sized difference. Lol
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
March 21 2010 04:33 GMT
#13
On March 21 2010 13:28 ~OpZ~ wrote:
You said surprising results....I'll assume that means charge makes a very decent sized difference. Lol

No, don't take that comment that way. It's not what you expect.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
March 21 2010 06:18 GMT
#14
i'd think charging isolates zealots so that the non-charged zealots win every time
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imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
March 21 2010 06:20 GMT
#15
off topic, but i really wanna see shield marines vs stimmed marines as ur next test lol
im deaf
neobowman
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3324 Posts
March 21 2010 09:40 GMT
#16
Charge PvP seems like the sc2 version of Ling speed ZvZ in battles.
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
March 21 2010 12:20 GMT
#17
On March 21 2010 18:40 neobowman wrote:
Charge PvP seems like the sc2 version of Ling speed ZvZ in battles.


Except only offensively? big difference considering unable to use shield regen.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
March 21 2010 12:46 GMT
#18
most likely zealots with no upgrades beat the charge ones .
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
March 21 2010 21:53 GMT
#19
On March 21 2010 21:46 Marradron wrote:
most likely zealots with no upgrades beat the charge ones .

just out of curiosity why would you think this?
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
lgd-haze
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden547 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-21 22:33:54
March 21 2010 22:31 GMT
#20
On March 22 2010 06:53 CharlieMurphy wrote:
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On March 21 2010 21:46 Marradron wrote:
most likely zealots with no upgrades beat the charge ones .

just out of curiosity why would you think this?


Maybe because the defending Zeals AI (the one without charge) is faster to respond, and the charging one has a slight delay after charge? I don't know, please tell us =)

Edit: Oh, it can also be that the non-charge Zealot can hit the charging zealot during the animation, when it changes target. Hence getting the first hit
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