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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-21 23:09:44
March 21 2010 23:08 GMT
#21
I thought regen roaches would win. For this one I think the +1 will win the first set, then charge will win the second set vs +0.

Unless charge gives Zealots an extra attack or something in addition to charge then charge wont even matter when up against +1. But it will help get the upper hand vs zealots not upgraded at all.
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
March 21 2010 23:30 GMT
#22
On March 22 2010 08:08 Chuiu wrote:
I thought regen roaches would win. For this one I think the +1 will win the first set, then charge will win the second set vs +0.

Unless charge gives Zealots an extra attack or something in addition to charge then charge wont even matter when up against +1. But it will help get the upper hand vs zealots not upgraded at all.

If anyone cares, this is exactly what I thought.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
March 22 2010 15:33 GMT
#23
you say it is something verry unlikely thats the most stupid thing i could think of
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
March 22 2010 20:23 GMT
#24
btw thread seems a bit dead can you post the results. Im interested if i was right xD
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
March 22 2010 22:34 GMT
#25
On March 23 2010 05:23 Marradron wrote:
btw thread seems a bit dead can you post the results. Im interested if i was right xD

lol same, but next time plz don't doublepost.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
March 22 2010 23:56 GMT
#26
I'm not at home now I will post later tonight and make another thread for marines hopefully.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
March 24 2010 13:03 GMT
#27
Stilll waiting
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
March 25 2010 04:32 GMT
#28
Bump.
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~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
March 25 2010 12:27 GMT
#29
seriously...I just spent an hour looking for this thread before I realized I could go to my posts and check it out....Plz results, thread dead.
Maybe I could teach Osama that using a plane as a wraith or dropship would be 10x better than using it as a scourge..... ^^; -Flex
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-25 21:51:52
March 25 2010 21:47 GMT
#30
Tests are done, Results are in and polls taken down.

lol sorry for lagging so hard on the results, I actually had the videos up a few days ago I just dodn't get around to renaming them and formatting them into the post for this thread:

Key:
+ Show Spoiler +
U = upgraded
C = Charged
N = Not Upgraded
*also note that the tests of the non upgraded were actually done with 1-1-1 zealots on both sides (we calculated that the damage output and damage received was the same as 0-0-0 on both). Let us know if we were wrong.


Textual Results if you don't care about videos:
1v1 UvC = Upgrade won
5v5 UvC A-move = Upgrade won
5v5 UvC Focus Que - N/A Random(charge one once though lol)
10v10 UvC A-Move - Upgrade won
10v10 UvC Focus Que - N/A Random

1v1 NvC = Tie
5v5 NvC A-move = Tie
5v5 NvC Focus Que - N/A Random
10v10 NvC A-Move - Tie
10v10 NvC Focus Que - N/A Random

50v50 NvC A-Move - Charge won

Conclusions drawn from these tests are that charge isn't that great and doesn't make a whole lot of difference in gaining first strike or anything like zerglings in scbw (maybe I should test lings of sc2 o_O). It seems to have something to do with the walk animation to decide who gets the first hit. Since the AI in sc2 likes to fill in gaps with units, often times the zealots would charge out of the lined formation and create gaps that were just slightly too small for another zeal to fit in, but still big enough to cause him to run around like a chicken with it's head cut off. So in smaller groups it seems that charge can be worse, but unless extensive testing is done it's still inconclusive and seemingly random.
However, the little gaps can still be created in the same way with non charged zeals, but it seemed lessened. Charge totally played a role in the larger 50v50 battle where 17/50 survived.

..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-25 22:43:27
March 25 2010 22:42 GMT
#31
Well its good to know that when it comes to melee vs melee charge has no effect until you get to larger groups. But at least its still extremely effective vs ranged.
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Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
March 25 2010 23:57 GMT
#32
I though you said it would be suprising
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-26 02:15:14
March 26 2010 02:13 GMT
#33
On March 26 2010 08:57 Marradron wrote:
I though you said it would be suprising

It was, in the sense that charge didn't do shit at all and was often worse in equal upgrades because of the AI. And since everyone was voting charge to win, you can see the reverse.
And also the bugs ofc.

..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
March 26 2010 02:22 GMT
#34
GJ CM! Now I finally know who SpoR is. I've watched tons of vods of you on youtube(your a star, man!) but never knew who SpoR actually was.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-26 03:20:51
March 26 2010 03:13 GMT
#35
On March 26 2010 11:22 3FFA wrote:
GJ CM! Now I finally know who SpoR is. I've watched tons of vods of you on youtube(your a star, man!) but never knew who SpoR actually was.

oh, thanks ^_-
Where did you see those Vods? And didn't you ever check the replay thread?

Oh I searched youtube for spor sc2 and bunch of shit came up, neat-o
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
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