EPTUnless charge gives Zealots an extra attack or something in addition to charge then charge wont even matter when up against +1. But it will help get the upper hand vs zealots not upgraded at all.
Sc2 Fights! [Round 2] Zealot - Page 2
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Chuiu
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Unless charge gives Zealots an extra attack or something in addition to charge then charge wont even matter when up against +1. But it will help get the upper hand vs zealots not upgraded at all. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
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On March 22 2010 08:08 Chuiu wrote: I thought regen roaches would win. For this one I think the +1 will win the first set, then charge will win the second set vs +0. Unless charge gives Zealots an extra attack or something in addition to charge then charge wont even matter when up against +1. But it will help get the upper hand vs zealots not upgraded at all. If anyone cares, this is exactly what I thought. | ||
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Marradron
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 thats the most stupid thing i could think of | ||
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Marradron
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can you post the results. Im interested if i was right xD | ||
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3FFA
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On March 23 2010 05:23 Marradron wrote: btw thread seems a bit dead can you post the results. Im interested if i was right xDlol same, but next time plz don't doublepost. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
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lol sorry for lagging so hard on the results, I actually had the videos up a few days ago I just dodn't get around to renaming them and formatting them into the post for this thread: Key: + Show Spoiler + U = upgraded C = Charged N = Not Upgraded *also note that the tests of the non upgraded were actually done with 1-1-1 zealots on both sides (we calculated that the damage output and damage received was the same as 0-0-0 on both). Let us know if we were wrong. Textual Results if you don't care about videos: 1v1 UvC = Upgrade won 5v5 UvC A-move = Upgrade won 5v5 UvC Focus Que - N/A Random(charge one once though lol) 10v10 UvC A-Move - Upgrade won 10v10 UvC Focus Que - N/A Random 1v1 NvC = Tie 5v5 NvC A-move = Tie 5v5 NvC Focus Que - N/A Random 10v10 NvC A-Move - Tie 10v10 NvC Focus Que - N/A Random 50v50 NvC A-Move - Charge won Conclusions drawn from these tests are that charge isn't that great and doesn't make a whole lot of difference in gaining first strike or anything like zerglings in scbw (maybe I should test lings of sc2 o_O). It seems to have something to do with the walk animation to decide who gets the first hit. Since the AI in sc2 likes to fill in gaps with units, often times the zealots would charge out of the lined formation and create gaps that were just slightly too small for another zeal to fit in, but still big enough to cause him to run around like a chicken with it's head cut off. So in smaller groups it seems that charge can be worse, but unless extensive testing is done it's still inconclusive and seemingly random. However, the little gaps can still be created in the same way with non charged zeals, but it seemed lessened. Charge totally played a role in the larger 50v50 battle where 17/50 survived. | ||
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Chuiu
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CharlieMurphy
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On March 26 2010 08:57 Marradron wrote: I though you said it would be suprising It was, in the sense that charge didn't do shit at all and was often worse in equal upgrades because of the AI. And since everyone was voting charge to win, you can see the reverse. And also the bugs ofc. | ||
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3FFA
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CharlieMurphy
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On March 26 2010 11:22 3FFA wrote: GJ CM! Now I finally know who SpoR is. I've watched tons of vods of you on youtube(your a star, man!) but never knew who SpoR actually was. oh, thanks ^_- Where did you see those Vods? And didn't you ever check the replay thread? Oh I searched youtube for spor sc2 and bunch of shit came up, neat-o | ||
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