EPTOn October 13 2010 03:08 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Really really good news. So cool being a part of this growing game =)
Really really good news. So cool being a part of this growing game =)
You like putting salt into wounds eh ?
The rumor mill is spinning quite hard - Page 6
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
You like putting salt into wounds eh ? | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On October 13 2010 03:09 Patriot.dlk wrote: If someone thinks e-sports is better off not having sc2 they have been living under a rock imo. You're basically 100% missing the point of konadora and basically everyone who's posted in this thread if you think that's the idea. | ||
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johnlee
United States242 Posts
And wow.. if it's true.. which "major" European corporation I wonder... | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
On October 13 2010 01:39 konadora wrote: i'm quitting TL if every one of these rumors is true Quoting this just in case. | ||
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TymerA
Netherlands759 Posts
I am sorry for your loss, veterans. | ||
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Kenny
United States678 Posts
On October 13 2010 01:55 Nu11 wrote: Just a question, and I do not intend to make anyone angry, please understand that is not my purpose. I have been a fan of Starcraft since it was born. Starcraft 2 is the evolution of starcraft. It is just as much starcraft and more.. why do so many people not want to accept starcraft 2? I would just like to know what the reasoning is. Do you not see any potential in the fresh new strategies, of potentially seeing a new boxer born, of seeing new teams, new drama, new upsets and virtually a whole new metagame evolve? Why does everyone want to stick with Starcraft? I mean, it has a sequel now... in Broodwar are we just going to see no one but jaedong / flash dominate? I know that you all love broodwar so much. I do too. 10 years of my life partially dedicated to the game. I have been in tears over many games and upsets over the years, I am a relativity new member of TL but the soul and spirit of STARCRAFT is in SC2. I just found the game to be getting rather stale. It's been a long time. We haven't had anyone creative come along in so long. Every game is so predictable. The best players right now just play cookie cutter every single game because it's perfected. I Personally want to see the evolution again, new strategies, new winners, new faces, familiar faces. Same soul, same experience. If they can exist side by side... then do it! Broodwar is a classic. But SC2 needs to grow. Korea needs to play it. It is the evolution, the step up of their game. 100% respect to everyone who thinks differently than me. It is your hobby and your choice to, but you should try to open up a bit. There was a time when starcraft never existed. Do you remember how enjoyable it was to discover anew? It can happen again. Legacy can be born again. I personally want to be here to see it happen. and about the money.. of course. That's the only reason professional starcraft ever existed. Money, no other reason. SC2 is no different. This. Couldn't have said it better myself. It is natural as humans to be upset with change, but this too can grow into a wonderful and competitive game that we all come to love. Sure BW was amazing and will always be in our eyes, but its been 10 years guys...time to move on. | ||
snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On October 13 2010 03:18 Kenny wrote: Sure BW was amazing and will always be in our eyes, but its been 10 years guys...time to move on. This is like the absolute worst argument ever. It's not even an argument. Why exactly is it time to move on? How is 10 years a long time? "Wow guys, football is over 100 years old, it's really time to move on now." | ||
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Ryo
8787 Posts
On October 13 2010 03:18 Kenny wrote: This. Couldn't have said it better myself. It is natural as humans to be upset with change, but this too can grow into a wonderful and competitive game that we all come to love. Sure BW was amazing and will always be in our eyes, but its been 10 years guys...time to move on. We still like watching and playing BW, why should we be forced to "move on". And move on to what? To something I don't like? The point here is that many BW fans are not given the choice to either watch BW or SC2 or both. It's becoming SC2 or nothing. And if that's the case, I choose nothing. | ||
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Hier
2391 Posts
So terrible. | ||
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Nu11
Canada167 Posts
On October 13 2010 02:57 infinity2k9 wrote: What? You don't even know what you are talking about. Directly into which players pockets exactly, the couple of people who got far enough into the tournament, as opposed to players actually receiving salaries in BW... I am out of this thread, but there will be salaries in SC2. I am almost positive a number of teams now have salaries set up. It's silly to think the same situation we have now for broodwar will not exist in SC2, just with bigger prize pools and more teams. | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On October 13 2010 03:18 Kenny wrote: This. Couldn't have said it better myself. It is natural as humans to be upset with change, but this too can grow into a wonderful and competitive game that we all come to love. Sure BW was amazing and will always be in our eyes, but its been 10 years guys...time to move on. Thing is, the fans should decide this, not the money. (Korean) BW isn't dying because the korean fans want to watch SC2 all of a sudden. There were TONS of people showing up at every single live event in Korea last year. They still love the game and many foreigners still do, too. And it didn't become that way because whatever companies threw huge amounts of money and proclame their game the new greatest e-sport, it became that way because the game was loved by the players and by the fans and has been so for 10 years full of awesome stuff . TLDR: Money should go where the fans want to go, not the other way around. The way things seem to be occuring seems everything but natural, and that's really really sad. | ||
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HeadhunteR
Argentina1258 Posts
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Rah
United States973 Posts
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reg0ner
United States56 Posts
On October 13 2010 03:02 Ricjames wrote: I don't hate SC2 and i wished it all the best....but only if it wouldn't touch a single bw's hair and it fucking killed it instead. I am sorry, but this pissed me off. I will also leave TL when bw is dead (might be good news for some poeple). Just to explain to some SC2 fans: I personally found SC2 boring as shit as i quit after 2 weeks of playing BETA. The game looks bad, control is horrible, MBS, smartcasting, automine, horrible sounds and many more negatives for me and this will never change even after 5 years of developement. Hell, when i saw every little cool trick that people have managed to pull out in SC2 i was like: yeah nice....When i saw any good trick or nice play overall in BW i was like: Holy fucking hell man that is the most incredible shit i've ever seen, shat my pants and got drunk to celebrate the move. SC2 took another direction than the one i loved and i don't like it. The fact that it managed to kill the game i love doesn't help anything too. So please leave some of your SC2 pro comments at home, beacause it is not changing anything. Also everything Konadora has said... Lmfao. so full of poop its incredible. I'm happy people like you are leaving this site. SC2 is the reason im on TL and I'm sure many others as well... Look kids, SC2 didn't force anyone to play it. "Your" pro's decided its a much better game and decided to come on over. They all know theres a salary to be had with BW but they just don't care anymore. The game is dead. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
Money&Short Term Popularity>>>>>Quality&long term sustainability. oh wait we already knew that T_T. | ||
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Jeez
United States18 Posts
On October 13 2010 02:08 JIJIyO wrote: I...........hate............sc2............. And Effort if you're really going into sc2 I don't know what to think =/ How could you leave SC for that game. If only there was more money thrown at SC since it's the only way to compete with sc2. People go where money goes I guess. And I still can't believe the old school greats are going to it.............goddamn......... And I know it's not your intention (hopefully) to piss me off, and people who post this are usually just happy their game is growing, but. I FUCKING RAGE WHEN I SEE THESE MESSAGES ARJILG. Sigh. Woah, relax friend. I know you want everything to stay the way it was, but honestly can you blame them? It's not about "my game is growing and yours is shrinking". This was going to happen eventually. Nothing lasts forever. At least now there is something that can replace it for *hopefully* another 10 years. Who knows, maybe in 10 years there will be another starcraft game that will bring back a bunch of old pros and new faces. Change is a good thing bro. | ||
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Al Bundy
7257 Posts
We knew very well that BW wouldn't last forever, and that sc2 would be the next natural step in the evolution of esports. I don't really understand people saying "BW is dying". To me, on the contrary the BW scene is evolving. From there, the phenomenon of players as well as money switching and transitioning to sc2 was predictable and expected. But what really depresses me is when I read that "I HATE sc2 it is shitty, the skill ceiling is low, it's not a spectator sport, it's boring, I prefer godlike BW players..." Don't tell me this is exagerrated because I actually saw that kind of comments. Man that is so shortsighted that I don't even know where to start... Do you really think that there already were bonjwa players and gosu micro 4 months after stracraft 1 was released? People should stop acting like spoiled fat kids. Having such a retrograde mindset is leading you nowhere. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
idk international chess has been around for a few hundred years now. Do you really think that there already were bonjwa players and gosu micro 4 months after stracraft 1 was released? People should stop acting like spoiled fat kids. Having such a retrograde mindset is leading you nowhere. You're saying that any game, regardless of skill cap or design, will allow for gosu micro given enough time? This is a false statement. People aren't just complaining that the player micro is bad, but the game is designed so that player micro can only improve so much. | ||
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RumZ
United States956 Posts
Edit: No I'm not bashing BW, I love BW, but look at what's happening around here because of the controversy, teams unsure of what to do, some disbanding, ugh. Going to lose a lot of good players if something isn't panned out. | ||
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
Edit: On October 13 2010 03:30 PoP wrote: Thing is, the fans should decide this, not the money. (Korean) BW isn't dying because the korean fans want to watch SC2 all of a sudden. There were TONS of people showing up at every single live event in Korea last year. They still love the game and many foreigners still do, too. And it didn't become that way because whatever companies threw huge amounts of money and proclame their game the new greatest e-sport, it became that way because the game was loved by the players and by the fans and has been so for 10 years full of awesome stuff . TLDR: Money should go where the fans want to go, not the other way around. The way things seem to be occuring seems everything but natural, and that's really really sad. I think PoP said it better than anyone right now. | ||
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