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On November 24 2010 11:16 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 11:06 IdrA wrote:
hey avilo
you lose because you're fucking awful
not because your race is hard Hello, that's debateable, you lose to players you shouldn't because you're immature and stubborn, so what? Put up some arguments, or do something more useful, like practice ZvZ for GSL.
you're impossible to argue with because you just say things that are flat out wrong since you approach the game believing you aren't terrible and thus it confounds you when you lose.
'2 rax pressure is easy to deal with' 'tvz late game is impossible' no, your micro is bad and you dont know how to macro.
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I believe avilo has a point and evidence to back it up. Look at the TvZ at GSL3 where a lot of terrans have been going marine/scv all-ins vs zerg. The pros are not there to entertain, they want to win, and thus will use the strategy they feel is most effective.
I myself think that it's possible for the terran to play a defensive macro game against the zerg, by utilising banshees and turtling. Also, it's only possible on maps where it's easy to take the third base (e.g. shakuras). On other maps like scrap station, I feel that it's best to do some kind of 1 (or 2) base timing build.
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On November 24 2010 11:41 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 11:16 avilo wrote:On November 24 2010 11:06 IdrA wrote:
hey avilo
you lose because you're fucking awful
not because your race is hard Hello, that's debateable, you lose to players you shouldn't because you're immature and stubborn, so what? Put up some arguments, or do something more useful, like practice ZvZ for GSL. you're impossible to argue with because you just say things that are flat out wrong since you approach the game believing you aren't terrible and thus it confounds you when you lose. '2 rax pressure is easy to deal with' 'tvz late game is impossible' no, your micro is bad and you dont know how to macro.
The irony.
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On November 24 2010 12:26 Azzur wrote:
I believe avilo has a point and evidence to back it up. Look at the TvZ at GSL3 where a lot of terrans have been going marine/scv all-ins vs zerg. The pros are not there to entertain, they want to win, and thus will use the strategy they feel is most effective.
I myself think that it's possible for the terran to play a defensive macro game against the zerg, by utilising banshees and turtling. Also, it's only possible on maps where it's easy to take the third base (e.g. shakuras). On other maps like scrap station, I feel that it's best to do some kind of 1 (or 2) base timing build.
He has evidence to back up which point? It's obvious to everyone that a lot of ZvTs right now involve Terran all-ins. Does that mean that this is the be-all end-all of ZvT? Most likely, no. Does this imply Zerg is impossible to beat in the late game? No. And I'd like to see evidence that suggests otherwise. Remember, this is Starcraft 2, a game that's been out for less than 4 months in retail. Unique strategies are formed every day. Players are getting better and understanding the game better.
Avilo suggests that "Terrans basically already exhausted all of the options for attempting macro management play." Is this a joke? How can you make such a bold claim and expect anyone to take you seriously?
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On November 24 2010 11:32 aruno wrote:I say we have a show match between avilo and IdrA ^_^ quick get Day[9] to cast it 
I'm getting sick of people calling for random show matches and having Day[9] casting them. >.>
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And Idra would roll him anyway (cuz zerg is OP amirite? looolololol).
But really I agree it is quite annoying.
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On November 24 2010 12:39 Sadistx wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 11:41 IdrA wrote:On November 24 2010 11:16 avilo wrote:On November 24 2010 11:06 IdrA wrote:
hey avilo
you lose because you're fucking awful
not because your race is hard Hello, that's debateable, you lose to players you shouldn't because you're immature and stubborn, so what? Put up some arguments, or do something more useful, like practice ZvZ for GSL. you're impossible to argue with because you just say things that are flat out wrong since you approach the game believing you aren't terrible and thus it confounds you when you lose. '2 rax pressure is easy to deal with' 'tvz late game is impossible' no, your micro is bad and you dont know how to macro. The irony.
As a devout stalker of IdrA, I don't recall IdrA every being confounded when he lost. I guess you can say he gets confounded when he faces a new timing attack, but that is because it is new. And then he finds a way to deal with it eventually.
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On November 24 2010 13:06 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 12:39 Sadistx wrote:On November 24 2010 11:41 IdrA wrote:On November 24 2010 11:16 avilo wrote:On November 24 2010 11:06 IdrA wrote:
hey avilo
you lose because you're fucking awful
not because your race is hard Hello, that's debateable, you lose to players you shouldn't because you're immature and stubborn, so what? Put up some arguments, or do something more useful, like practice ZvZ for GSL. you're impossible to argue with because you just say things that are flat out wrong since you approach the game believing you aren't terrible and thus it confounds you when you lose. '2 rax pressure is easy to deal with' 'tvz late game is impossible' no, your micro is bad and you dont know how to macro. The irony. As a devout stalker of IdrA, I don't recall IdrA every being confounded when he lost. I guess you can say he gets confounded when he faces a new timing attack, but that is because it is new. And then he finds a way to deal with it eventually.
I've been stalking IdrA before it was cool !
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On November 24 2010 11:06 IdrA wrote:
hey avilo
you lose because you're fucking awful
not because your race is hard
I've watched a lot of good Terran players struggle with Zerg in late game. Terrans definitely have to find their ground since the new patch, just as Zergs had to find theirs. One thing I know for certain, having watched many of Avilo's games is that he's an excellent player, even when he loses.
What really impresses me is the fact that he's a GOOD loser. Never once saw him rage or cry after losing a game, but even better is the fact that he's a gracious winner.
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On November 24 2010 13:38 Arkansassy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 11:06 IdrA wrote:
hey avilo
you lose because you're fucking awful
not because your race is hard I've watched a lot of good Terran players struggle with Zerg in late game. Terrans definitely have to find their ground since the new patch, just as Zergs had to find theirs. One thing I know for certain, having watched many of Avilo's games is that he's an excellent player, even when he loses. What really impresses me is the fact that he's a GOOD loser. Never once saw him rage or cry after losing a game, but even better is the fact that he's a gracious winner.
How is avilo a good loser when he spends all his time crying that his race is broken on internet forums
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Kyrix vs. JSL game 1.
What's that about Terran not being able to win past the early game?
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On November 24 2010 14:17 Obscura.304 wrote:
Kyrix vs. JSL game 1.
What's that about Terran not being able to win past the early game?
To be fair, Kyrix does not play a macro zerg style at all - he invested in a lot of banelings and threw them away repeatedly.
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lol i had a big smile on my face as i opened this blog 
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On November 24 2010 13:42 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 13:38 Arkansassy wrote:On November 24 2010 11:06 IdrA wrote:
hey avilo
you lose because you're fucking awful
not because your race is hard I've watched a lot of good Terran players struggle with Zerg in late game. Terrans definitely have to find their ground since the new patch, just as Zergs had to find theirs. One thing I know for certain, having watched many of Avilo's games is that he's an excellent player, even when he loses. What really impresses me is the fact that he's a GOOD loser. Never once saw him rage or cry after losing a game, but even better is the fact that he's a gracious winner. How is avilo a good loser when he spends all his time crying that his race is broken on internet forums
That's his girlfriend posting.
Yeah.
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On November 24 2010 14:17 Obscura.304 wrote:
Kyrix vs. JSL game 1.
What's that about Terran not being able to win past the early game?
I think that was more due to Kyrixdoing a 2 hatch no lair baneling bust on Terran main and doing absolutely 0 damage.
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I think us Terran needs to learn timing drops (like best time to drop 8 marines in minerals, best time to drop on his 3rd hatchery, best time to do a 2 pronged attack while dropping marines in Zerg gold)
yes, it does feel it's prone to being chased and killed by mutalisk but if you do know the correct way or should I say opportunity to drop on their bases I think zerg will have a hard time against it.
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On November 24 2010 07:38 Liquid`Ret wrote:
3 terrans in top4 last gsl season, also look up overall TvZ stats pls
if you think zerg lategame is too strong maybe you shouldnt let them get to lategame with 80 drones, theres a million ways to kill or damage zerg early, i cant believe u still havent figured this out yet,
and even then marine/tank is a good option. in the ogs house terrans are doing fine vs zerg, lategame too
The point is that there shouldn't be a an issue of T > Z early and Z > T late, that Z should have equal ways to pressure terran early and T should be able to hang in macro late to make the matchup more interesting
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On November 24 2010 15:50 xxpack09 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 07:38 Liquid`Ret wrote:
3 terrans in top4 last gsl season, also look up overall TvZ stats pls
if you think zerg lategame is too strong maybe you shouldnt let them get to lategame with 80 drones, theres a million ways to kill or damage zerg early, i cant believe u still havent figured this out yet,
and even then marine/tank is a good option. in the ogs house terrans are doing fine vs zerg, lategame too The point is that there shouldn't be a an issue of T > Z early and Z > T late, that Z should have equal ways to pressure terran early and T should be able to hang in macro late to make the matchup more interesting
Yes, make it so T cannot wall-in and give terran invisible flyers that kill drones in 2 shots or healing dropships, oh wait
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Thread title should be "expect more avilo whining in sc2"
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