EPTThe mystery within the mystery - Page 2
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
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netherh
United Kingdom333 Posts
As far as I can tell, each person listed in the replay has a boolean "recorder" value, which indicates from whom the replay originates. SC2Gears doesn't actually provide this value (though it lists the recorder's time-zone), but it's readily extractable from the replay file. Here's a python script using sc2reader to show who was in the game, and whether they were the recorder of the replay:
This prints the following for the Antiga shipyard game:
Showing that the replay was recorded by Lucifron. (Some of the names are slightly mangled, because they contain odd characters: ƤǤǂ) | ||
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
I'll add your post to the OP if no one comes in and completely debunks it. | ||
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shabby
Norway6402 Posts
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BadAim
Norway879 Posts
5/5! | ||
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Felnarion
442 Posts
Something interesting is that, if you google "medevaks" the most frequent hits you get are in Spanish. While I believe the Spanish client lists "Medevac" it seems to be a common mistake, occuring on more than one forum post found via google, to be listed "Medevak" • Apparently, he is maphacking on Starcraft II too or that is the sensation I had ("on Starcraft II" instead of "in Starcraft II") • I understand there can be hackers on low levels ("on low levels" instead of "at low levels" or "in low levels") • This is what I found on the replays ("on the replays" instead of "in the replays") • however, he leaves all his hellions on his natural ("on his natural" instead of "at his natural" or "in his natural") • Despite having his army on LucifroN's natural (same as above) • again, he unsieges all his tanks on the natural (same as above) • JUST in the moment where the medevaks appear on the minimap ("in the moment where" instead of "at the moment when") His confusion here of on and in would also be indicative of a Spanish speaker. Spanish doesn't differentiate between "on" and "in" to my knowledge. Other romance lanaguages such as French do, (sur = on, dans = in). I'll continue to look at the post for more information: but for me, this points to someone speaking a Romance language by default, almost certainly Spanish, and having learned, as you said, somewhere in north America. | ||
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Azera
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Boundz(DarKo)
5311 Posts
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Wampaibist
United States478 Posts
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MavivaM
1535 Posts
The idea of mob justice isn't suitable, but still you take your time to make a quite pointless post about a) an issue you don't like b) an issue you have already given your opinion of c) an issue that is already being discussed in other threads such as http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=342350 and keep fueling the supposed drama that you hate. Allow me to nitpick some or your sentences that imo are the most important of your thread, despite the fact that you tell us right after that your premise isn't part of your blog's purpose (but you write them anyways) and the fact that whatever you write next it's just a long way to tell us that that account is probably from a spanish person. Or at least these two sentences are what caught my attention. "I find myself not caring much one way or the other as to whether the man is or isn't a maphacker." But maphacking is a pretty serious issue that must be solved for the sake of the competition. It has nothing to do with your hated esports battlecry, it's about wheter a player or not should bother playing online for money because if hacking keeps going unnoticed I don't see the purpose to train except for live events. And we already had cases that you should know where a player has forfeited to play an important match just because it was online. "I fear more for those accused in the future who may be innocent, as it seems increasingly likely that Spades isn't" I don't see why people should accuse someone without any reason. Ok we live in a bad world full of people who don't care if behind the monitor there are other real humans, but you don't accuse someone without anything to back it up... otherwise no one is going to believe you. Spades got caught, a guy made a list of valid reasons to suspect him and people are giving their opinions. The shitstorm that is happening it's because these claims seem to be very solid, otherwise there wouldn't be so much drama. I can't really see why you should already start to assume that in the future people will accuse players out of nowhere, without solid claims and immediately be believed. Even when Rekrul posted about coach Lee and so on there were people who reasonably doubted his opinion... and it's Rekrul we are talking about. His claims were dismissed, he apologized, the thread was cancelled and Coach Lee's house didn't went on fire due to some TL zealous kamikaze. I don't see why it should be different with other guys without any proof, instead. Sometimes the community focuses too much on meaningless things such as twitter posts out of rage, typing "gg" or not, if a player should spend his own free time in a way or another, stupid youtube videos and so on. Or hating casters or people they don't even know personally. This time it's not the case: maphacking and cheating in general is THE bane for the starcraft scene and people should address to the problem everytime something is suspicious. It's not a meaningless thing, at all. Let's just hope that Blizzard will do something, until then people should keep their eyes open. | ||
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
On June 05 2012 22:26 Azera wrote: Gheed, what about his 2 bronze coins? That means he's a contributer to Liquipedia right? He appears to have attempted to create an article about a player (perhaps a local Spanish player) but his article was of poor quality and removed. I could not find any record of the article he created. I'll PM the person who reverted his edit to see if he remembers what he tried to make. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/User_talk:Drolets Oh, I found out how to look at his contributions. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Special:Contributions/Drolets He has edited a number of Spain related articles. So I'm guessing this guy is a friend of Lucifron or otherwise somehow close enough to him to request replays from him. | ||
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Special:Contributions/Drolets He created multiple spanish player pages :> edit: eh  | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
-Russians don't have an equivalent to "the". Note how rarely he uses that word in lots of spots where even a German, French or Spaniard would use it. -Russians have a sentence structure that is very similar to his "wrong" sentences.[1] -His overuse of "on" is something that's not easy to pronounce for eastern europeans, "in" is a sound they try to avoid like the plague because it makes their voice sound squeeky. -The "ck" instead of "c" in e.g. "Cloaked" and especially NOT adding the "-ed" is also typical. Russians pronounce their "k-sound" in the back of their throat means they can't add the "-ed" without spitting all over the place. (their "k" is a uvular sound) - again he's writing as he speaks. -"Comming" instead of "Coming" indicates that he pronounces the "o" very short. -"in the elevation" is a choice of words you would use e.g. in Polish. Those languages don't have words like e.g. -"medevaks" is one of the main reasons why I'm assuming he's likely to be Russian and e.g. not Polish. As you can read here, the only European localized version which comes close is... russian! http://contenuti.battlecraft.it/media/sc2_terran_unit.jpg [1]-Look how he watches LucifroN's army. That sentence puts the verb first then afterwards what it is referring to, again it's also missing any kind of Auxiliaries. In German the verb would be at the end of the sentence and Frenchies just LOVE their auxilaries. (Not 100% sure how it's in Spanish, but it should be similar there.) Something you didn't notice: 5 seconds after that LucifroN lift(s) half of his units into 2 medevaks, then Spades select(s) all his vikings and moves forward to try to kill the unseen medevaks. He only notices the missing "s" after vocals and forgets it after consonants. Also he is adding infinitive after infinitive. Missing the "s" in simple present constructions is something I doubt a German or Spaniard would do. Ever. For Russians it's such a weird thing that they only remember when they actually see it missing. (otherways it would've been a suicide) He writes it in the way he speaks it and uses the "a" because he doesn't want to look like a stupid russian who doesn't use determiners. Whoever this is is highly likely to be from Eastern Europe (I'm still guessing Russian specifically). It is also likely that while he speaks English from time to time he is not used to writing in English a lot - that's where all the "spoken" mistakes come from. Props for this idea and most of the stuff go to my half polish girlfriend. ♥ DISCUSS! | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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Felnarion
442 Posts
This line. His camera NEVER watches a place he hasn't got vision of, neither for scouting, neither for sending units, neither because of a missclick Neither is a word not often used for a native English speaker, but commonly used in other languages to denote a negative. Reading that in English is somewhat awkward (though perhaps correct) because it's just not used in that sense. Romance languages (French and Spanish specifically, maybe others) would add a "ni" to a list such as this, denoting "neither" http://us.battle.net/sc2/es/search?q=cloack Also search "cloak" on the Spanish version of the site. Shows that "cloack" returns almost double the hits of "cloak" While on the English website, over 13,000 instances of cloak occur and only 200 or so cloack. Analysis of the French site indicates no favor over one or the other, both appear equally regularly. | ||
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Azera
3800 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/VortiX | ||
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MisterD
Germany1338 Posts
good analysis, as to medevak relating to german: to come is called "kommen" in german, so the double m would fit into that as well, and ck is widely used in german (in fact pretty much don't have a single word with just a c without adjacent k). But the whole spain relation still has a more correct feel to it. Good luck on your further search ^^ | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IeZael (plays on team " Aprender") http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/X6tence (spanish team) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Aprender (spanish team, Lucifron left it on 25th November 2011) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/VortiX (Lucifrons Brother, plays for Karont3 e-Sports Club) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/MikOeL (used to play for Aprender and is now loaned to Karont3 e-Sports Club) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/AlaStOr (plays on team "X6tence", lost to Lucifrons Brother Vortix during the WCS Spanish Nationals) Considering he added pictures for MikOel and Vortix it is likely that he has some kind of relation to those. Edit: The reason why I feel those liquipedia entries are a false lead is because they don't make sense. Guy registers on TL just to edit Liquipedia, doesn't post, gets replays from a brosef and SUDDENLY decides to make a huge thread about it? Doesn't sound legit to me. I stick with mah russian theory. Him making this thread so short after the Liquipedia stuff and registration is either a HUGE coincidence or a setup, leading us to believe that someone related to LucifroN is the culprit. (Or he was just incredibly dumb. "If I don't post no one will find out who I was/am but I can edit Liquipedia in the mean time to show everyone I'm related to Lucifron hurpadurpa!!!1") | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
I dont know why you are favoring your Russian theory when it's based on language alone and we have some hard evidence for the Spanish theory which you are brushing off as planted. http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&u=http://www.scii-esp.com/index.php?site=news_comments&newsID=538 | ||
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endy
Switzerland8971 Posts
You heard it here first. | ||
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