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Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
June 05 2012 13:59 GMT
#41
I think it's better to assume stupidity than to assume genius.

Or maybe that's just what he wants us to think...
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
June 05 2012 14:00 GMT
#42
On June 05 2012 22:59 endy wrote:
If I had to put money on it, I'd say he's LucifroN's brother.
You heard it here first.


That'd mean he put up this picture of himself on Liquipedia.

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WOULD YOU PUT SUCH A PICTURE OF YOURSELF ON THE INTERWEBS? =D
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
June 05 2012 14:04 GMT
#43
Perhaps it is karont3's manager Ryo (who is also lucifrons brother). That would seem to explain wikipedia entries and having pictures of team members taken for the purpose of profile pictures.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
June 05 2012 14:04 GMT
#44
On June 05 2012 23:00 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 22:59 endy wrote:
If I had to put money on it, I'd say he's LucifroN's brother.
You heard it here first.


That'd mean he put up this picture of himself on Liquipedia.

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WOULD YOU PUT SUCH A PICTURE OF YOURSELF ON THE INTERWEBS? =D


I should have said "one of LucifroN's brothers".
ॐ
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4121 Posts
June 05 2012 14:05 GMT
#45
Nah seems like he's just an active folk in the spanish community and was close enough to Lucifron to get the replays. Lucifron's brother is a "top" player and I don't think he'd waste so much time making a smurf and editing articles etc.
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
June 05 2012 14:08 GMT
#46
The pictures he posted appear to be taken from other websites. That seems like something a fan would do more than a manager.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/File:IeZaeL.jpg
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-05 14:14:42
June 05 2012 14:11 GMT
#47
Dno, the weird thing to me is the timeline. Either they assumed that Spades is going to hack and wanted to expose him, they wanted the ability to discredit him in case he wins (was that showmatch important for Lucifron in any kind of way?) or...

Not sure, it just sounds fishy no matter how you turn it. Assuming the culprit is a friend of Lucifron he must assume that revealing that relationship would discredit him accusing Spades of hacking (only possible reason to not talk about it in the OP). However, if he planned to not be seen as someone related to Lucifron the Liquipedia stuff makes no sense.

Wait. Were those replays downloadable anywhere? Welp. Even then. Random spanish zealous fan who registered on TL to edit Liquipedia entries of his favorite players downloads replays, checks for suspicious play and pretty much instantly posts about it on TL? Imo there has to be some relation to Lucifron. =P
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
June 05 2012 14:15 GMT
#48
On June 05 2012 23:11 r.Evo wrote:
Dno, the weird thing to me is the timeline. Either they assumed that Spades is going to hack and wanted to expose him, they wanted the ability to discredit him in case he wins (was that showmatch important for Lucifron in any kind of way?) or...

Not sure, it just sounds fishy no matter how you turn it. Assuming the culprit is a friend of Lucifron he must assume that revealing that relationship would discredit him accusing Spades of hacking (only possible reason to not talk about it in the OP). However, if he planned to not be seen as someone related to Lucifron the Liquipedia stuff makes no sense.

Wait. Were those replays downloadable anywhere? Welp. Even then. Random zealous fan downloads replays, checks for suspicious play and pretty much instantly posts about it on TL? Imo there has to be some relation to Lucifron. =P


No, the replays were not released.

Your point is also the one that confuses me the most. It seems like it would have to be one crazy coincidence that he registers for TL just days after a showmatch is announced and then posts his hacking allegations the next day after its played.
IBringUFire
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany103 Posts
June 05 2012 14:16 GMT
#49
On June 05 2012 23:15 Gheed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:11 r.Evo wrote:
Dno, the weird thing to me is the timeline. Either they assumed that Spades is going to hack and wanted to expose him, they wanted the ability to discredit him in case he wins (was that showmatch important for Lucifron in any kind of way?) or...

Not sure, it just sounds fishy no matter how you turn it. Assuming the culprit is a friend of Lucifron he must assume that revealing that relationship would discredit him accusing Spades of hacking (only possible reason to not talk about it in the OP). However, if he planned to not be seen as someone related to Lucifron the Liquipedia stuff makes no sense.

Wait. Were those replays downloadable anywhere? Welp. Even then. Random zealous fan downloads replays, checks for suspicious play and pretty much instantly posts about it on TL? Imo there has to be some relation to Lucifron. =P


No, the replays were not released.

Your point is also the one that confuses me the most. It seems like it would have to be one crazy coincidence that he registers for TL just days after a showmatch is announced and then posts his hacking allegations the next day after its played.


Well maybe he thought that was a good timing opportunity to prove the accusations.
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
June 05 2012 14:17 GMT
#50
Very smart for him to not make any more posts. Most people who make big posts for their first respond multiple times to a thread.
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
June 05 2012 14:18 GMT
#51
On June 05 2012 23:16 IBringUFire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:15 Gheed wrote:
On June 05 2012 23:11 r.Evo wrote:
Dno, the weird thing to me is the timeline. Either they assumed that Spades is going to hack and wanted to expose him, they wanted the ability to discredit him in case he wins (was that showmatch important for Lucifron in any kind of way?) or...

Not sure, it just sounds fishy no matter how you turn it. Assuming the culprit is a friend of Lucifron he must assume that revealing that relationship would discredit him accusing Spades of hacking (only possible reason to not talk about it in the OP). However, if he planned to not be seen as someone related to Lucifron the Liquipedia stuff makes no sense.

Wait. Were those replays downloadable anywhere? Welp. Even then. Random zealous fan downloads replays, checks for suspicious play and pretty much instantly posts about it on TL? Imo there has to be some relation to Lucifron. =P


No, the replays were not released.

Your point is also the one that confuses me the most. It seems like it would have to be one crazy coincidence that he registers for TL just days after a showmatch is announced and then posts his hacking allegations the next day after its played.


Well maybe he thought that was a good timing opportunity to prove the accusations.


It certainly got the job done.

The question is if he had questions about Spades before this event, or if he is really just some hack detecting phenom.
IBringUFire
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany103 Posts
June 05 2012 14:23 GMT
#52
On June 05 2012 23:18 Gheed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:16 IBringUFire wrote:
On June 05 2012 23:15 Gheed wrote:
On June 05 2012 23:11 r.Evo wrote:
Dno, the weird thing to me is the timeline. Either they assumed that Spades is going to hack and wanted to expose him, they wanted the ability to discredit him in case he wins (was that showmatch important for Lucifron in any kind of way?) or...

Not sure, it just sounds fishy no matter how you turn it. Assuming the culprit is a friend of Lucifron he must assume that revealing that relationship would discredit him accusing Spades of hacking (only possible reason to not talk about it in the OP). However, if he planned to not be seen as someone related to Lucifron the Liquipedia stuff makes no sense.

Wait. Were those replays downloadable anywhere? Welp. Even then. Random zealous fan downloads replays, checks for suspicious play and pretty much instantly posts about it on TL? Imo there has to be some relation to Lucifron. =P


No, the replays were not released.

Your point is also the one that confuses me the most. It seems like it would have to be one crazy coincidence that he registers for TL just days after a showmatch is announced and then posts his hacking allegations the next day after its played.


Well maybe he thought that was a good timing opportunity to prove the accusations.


It certainly got the job done.

The question is if he had questions about Spades before this event, or if he is really just some hack detecting phenom.


Yeah that's what I meant. Maybe he assumed Spades was hacking, couldn't prove it, but thought he could with the replays from the showmatch. Hence, he registers an account before the showmatch, gets the replay, then posts.
TSBspartacus
Profile Joined October 2011
England1046 Posts
June 05 2012 14:31 GMT
#53
This bears no relation to the accusations, is it not better that it comes from an anonymous source? Its not as if he made anything up and just threw it out there, he did his research clearly enough, and the majority of the pro players are convinced too.
This is a witch hunt, not the accusation of spades hacking. Gheed you are directly contradicting what you complain about in the OP. Take a step back and look at what you are doing. You're trying to find out who this guy is who has made perfectly legitimate claims, when in all likelihood the claims are true and he would just rather not be associated with them, due to the obvious negativity associated.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
June 05 2012 14:32 GMT
#54
On June 05 2012 23:23 IBringUFire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:18 Gheed wrote:
On June 05 2012 23:16 IBringUFire wrote:
On June 05 2012 23:15 Gheed wrote:
On June 05 2012 23:11 r.Evo wrote:
Dno, the weird thing to me is the timeline. Either they assumed that Spades is going to hack and wanted to expose him, they wanted the ability to discredit him in case he wins (was that showmatch important for Lucifron in any kind of way?) or...

Not sure, it just sounds fishy no matter how you turn it. Assuming the culprit is a friend of Lucifron he must assume that revealing that relationship would discredit him accusing Spades of hacking (only possible reason to not talk about it in the OP). However, if he planned to not be seen as someone related to Lucifron the Liquipedia stuff makes no sense.

Wait. Were those replays downloadable anywhere? Welp. Even then. Random zealous fan downloads replays, checks for suspicious play and pretty much instantly posts about it on TL? Imo there has to be some relation to Lucifron. =P


No, the replays were not released.

Your point is also the one that confuses me the most. It seems like it would have to be one crazy coincidence that he registers for TL just days after a showmatch is announced and then posts his hacking allegations the next day after its played.


Well maybe he thought that was a good timing opportunity to prove the accusations.


It certainly got the job done.

The question is if he had questions about Spades before this event, or if he is really just some hack detecting phenom.


Yeah that's what I meant. Maybe he assumed Spades was hacking, couldn't prove it, but thought he could with the replays from the showmatch. Hence, he registers an account before the showmatch, gets the replay, then posts.


That however implies that Spades is going to hack in this event specifically and him knowing about that fact or at least assuming it. It also implies that he has this assumption and some kind of "YOURE NOT DOING THAT TO MY FAVORITE PLAYER YOU SHITHEAD"-attitude as motivation. IF he had such a clear knowledge of Spades going to hack he most likely has more prove than the replays vs Lucifron which would be solid evidence on their own.

Then... you read his post. And it reads not like the post of someone who is FOR Lucifron but as a post by someone who is AGAINST Spades. I doubt a fanboy would miss this opportunity to rage about how frivolous it is to do this during a showmatch etc. bla.


Apparently, he is maphacking on Starcraft II too or that is the sensation I had while watching his showmatch versus LucifroN last night... after asking for the replays and analyzing them there's no doubt.

That's all, I think it is more than obvious that he is hacking, specially considering he was already caught hacking on broodwar... whatever, you guys judge


To me that's someone who simply wants to discredit Spades, not someone who wants to push LucifroNs publicity in any kind of way.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
TheConquereer
Profile Joined May 2010
Spain183 Posts
June 05 2012 14:33 GMT
#55
I can bring some light in 2 points if you are interested, since im spanish.

1) "Medevak" Thats the spanish name of the unit in the game. Simple as that.

2) "Analyze" instead of "analyse". In spanish the verb is "analizar", thats why we always type "analyze" when we are typing english, looks more familiar for us.

Please dont analyZe my english :D
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
June 05 2012 14:36 GMT
#56
On June 05 2012 23:33 TheConquereer wrote:
I can bring some light in 2 points if you are interested, since im spanish.

1) "Medevak" Thats the spanish name of the unit in the game. Simple as that.

2) "Analyze" instead of "analyse". In spanish the verb is "analizar", thats why we always type "analyze" when we are typing english, looks more familiar for us.

Please dont analyZe my english :D


How russian do you guys sound when speaking english? =D

Also is this page lying? http://contenuti.battlecraft.it/media/sc2_terran_unit.jpg

Says the name is "Medevac" in Spanish. =(
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
Gheed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States972 Posts
June 05 2012 14:38 GMT
#57
On June 05 2012 23:36 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:33 TheConquereer wrote:
I can bring some light in 2 points if you are interested, since im spanish.

1) "Medevak" Thats the spanish name of the unit in the game. Simple as that.

2) "Analyze" instead of "analyse". In spanish the verb is "analizar", thats why we always type "analyze" when we are typing english, looks more familiar for us.

Please dont analyZe my english :D


How russian do you guys sound when speaking english? =D

Also is this page lying? http://contenuti.battlecraft.it/media/sc2_terran_unit.jpg

Says the name is "Medevac" in Spanish. =(


This is the reference page I used also
Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
June 05 2012 14:38 GMT
#58
Yeah.. well, we'll just ask luci who he sent the replays. Keep it up though, I might have some mousepads signed by top EU players somewhere for whomever gets it right, I have to check what state they're in.
http://www.glhf.tv fighting! Former WesternWolves & LowLandLions operations manager.
TheConquereer
Profile Joined May 2010
Spain183 Posts
June 05 2012 14:41 GMT
#59
On June 05 2012 23:36 r.Evo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 23:33 TheConquereer wrote:
I can bring some light in 2 points if you are interested, since im spanish.

1) "Medevak" Thats the spanish name of the unit in the game. Simple as that.

2) "Analyze" instead of "analyse". In spanish the verb is "analizar", thats why we always type "analyze" when we are typing english, looks more familiar for us.

Please dont analyZe my english :D


How russian do you guys sound when speaking english? =D

Also is this page lying? http://contenuti.battlecraft.it/media/sc2_terran_unit.jpg

Says the name is "Medevac" in Spanish. =(


Yeah, medevac, but since he was typing in english maybe he thought "medevaK" is the original name of the unit, thats what i was trying to say :D
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
June 05 2012 14:43 GMT
#60
Maybe he's a russian who lives on a spanish island!
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
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