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Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
July 15 2009 08:19 GMT
#1
This is something I feel would be a very good thing to learn

I am not interested in doing competitions or the sport aspect of fighting. I want to learn how to fight because I want to be able to defend myself.

If someone jumps me or stalks me I want to be able to outrun that person (so I run tree times a week). If I can't run away I want to be able to do whatever necessarily so I can gtfo.

Please share insight and experience!



ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
July 15 2009 08:30 GMT
#2
just sucker punch him and then stomp on his face a few times

@Mikilatov: jkjk, i actually thought what you did was ok (albeit very dick lol), given the circumstances
Hot77.iEy
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Finland1486 Posts
July 15 2009 08:33 GMT
#3
On July 15 2009 17:19 Patriot.dlk wrote:
I am not interested in doing competitions or the sport aspect of fighting. I want to learn how to fight because I want to be able to defend myself.

Krav Maga.
-.-
NastyMarine
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1252 Posts
July 15 2009 08:34 GMT
#4
Krav Maga for shock and damage

MMA for sport
Treatin' fools since '87
Xenixx
Profile Joined June 2008
United States499 Posts
July 15 2009 08:35 GMT
#5
On July 15 2009 17:19 Patriot.dlk wrote:
This is something I feel would be a very good thing to learn

I am not interested in doing competitions or the sport aspect of fighting. I want to learn how to fight because I want to be able to defend myself.

If someone jumps me or stalks me I want to be able to outrun that person (so I run tree times a week). If I can't run away I want to be able to do whatever necessarily so I can gtfo.

Please share insight and experience!



why are you so worried about fighting? or confrontation? the majority of people spend their whole lives never having either happen
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
July 15 2009 08:35 GMT
#6
For what you want via OP:

Krav Maga
Overcoming Gravity: A Systematic Approach to Gymnastics and Bodyweight Strength
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-15 08:50:24
July 15 2009 08:47 GMT
#7
On July 15 2009 17:35 Xenixx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2009 17:19 Patriot.dlk wrote:
This is something I feel would be a very good thing to learn

I am not interested in doing competitions or the sport aspect of fighting. I want to learn how to fight because I want to be able to defend myself.

If someone jumps me or stalks me I want to be able to outrun that person (so I run tree times a week). If I can't run away I want to be able to do whatever necessarily so I can gtfo.

Please share insight and experience!



why are you so worried about fighting? or confrontation? the majority of people spend their whole lives never having either happen

who said i'm so worried? I have insurance for my car, always had but I never used it. It's basically normal cardio workout that makes you feel healthy and strong.

Tell me this, Why wouldn't I learn how to fight?
Adeny
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway1233 Posts
July 15 2009 08:48 GMT
#8
Krav Maga is specifically designed to defend against attackers, with various kinds of weapons.I believe it's required by police officers to learn it? I'm unsure, but my cousin is training it anyway.
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
July 15 2009 08:49 GMT
#9
On July 15 2009 17:19 Patriot.dlk wrote:
If someone jumps me or stalks me I want to be able to outrun that person (so I run tree times a week).


You sound worried alright
It's better to burn out than to fade away
Tracil
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia505 Posts
July 15 2009 08:53 GMT
#10
You only need to get into one violent confrontation for your life to get shaken up, and having weeks of practice on your side may mean to get to walk away without anything that'll scar you for life. They're not so uncommon that one can't justifiably worry about it.
Shooting
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-15 08:54:41
July 15 2009 08:53 GMT
#11
On July 15 2009 17:49 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
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On July 15 2009 17:19 Patriot.dlk wrote:
If someone jumps me or stalks me I want to be able to outrun that person (so I run tree times a week).


You sound worried alright

Hehe. Well, I would exercise regardless. I only worded it like that to make make sure I have I came across as someone who wants to defend not attack.

Of course I have other motivations to run then this! I want to be in good shape because it feels good. It also feels good to have basic protection skills.
sk`
Profile Joined November 2008
Japan442 Posts
July 15 2009 08:55 GMT
#12
Keep running for your health and carry pepper spray. Problems solved.
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Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
July 15 2009 09:00 GMT
#13
I do live in a crappy place. When I moved here my friend got me a machete in a move-in present=)
I could tell 10 stories at least. So everyone thinks Krav Maga...

I think so also but one concern I have is that they might practice to soft?
Stratos.FEAR
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada706 Posts
July 15 2009 09:14 GMT
#14
well traditional martial arts has a much lower emphasis on the sport fighting but then again its kinda hard to find such places and some ppl dont like their styles of discipline.

on the side note...where does one learn krav maga?
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-15 09:32:14
July 15 2009 09:31 GMT
#15
On July 15 2009 18:14 Stratos.FEAR wrote:
well traditional martial arts has a much lower emphasis on the sport fighting but then again its kinda hard to find such places and some ppl dont like their styles of discipline.

on the side note...where does one learn krav maga?

In sweden where I live I can practice under this guyThough he only teach very few beginner classes:



He's from Krav Maga Academy Göteborg (part of International Krav Maga Federation).
Stratos.FEAR
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada706 Posts
July 15 2009 09:34 GMT
#16
well if that guys there go for krav maga by all means
Adeny
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway1233 Posts
July 15 2009 09:38 GMT
#17
Why have I not seen this exercise before, in the seemingly infinite amount of compilations of people getting hit in the nuts?
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
July 15 2009 09:42 GMT
#18
On July 15 2009 18:34 Stratos.FEAR wrote:
well if that guys there go for krav maga by all means

rofl so random
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Stratos.FEAR
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada706 Posts
July 15 2009 09:48 GMT
#19
On July 15 2009 18:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2009 18:34 Stratos.FEAR wrote:
well if that guys there go for krav maga by all means

rofl so random


lol huh? did i make that sound random? its kinda late and i guess i might not be making sense...
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
July 15 2009 09:48 GMT
#20
Well it's a good thing if the head coach is a really cool guy imo. I found that clip of him and I thought it was fairly impressive
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-15 09:52:54
July 15 2009 09:52 GMT
#21
I thought you said it cause the guy in the video is absolutely useless :D

On July 15 2009 18:48 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Well it's a good thing if the head coach is a really cool guy imo. I found that clip of him and I thought it was fairly impressive

Did I watch a different video?
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Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
July 15 2009 09:59 GMT
#22
On July 15 2009 18:52 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I thought you said it cause the guy in the video is absolutely useless :D

Show nested quote +
On July 15 2009 18:48 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Well it's a good thing if the head coach is a really cool guy imo. I found that clip of him and I thought it was fairly impressive

Did I watch a different video?

Don't know =) The vid I posted was just him working out with a 48kg kettle weight. I know I will never be able to do that at least

What's your opinion about this Nazgul? Do you think krav maga will be better because it "fits" me better by definition?
Zapdos_Smithh
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada2620 Posts
July 15 2009 10:03 GMT
#23
Krav Maga for sure, hear a lot of good things about it (was about to start it myself tbh).

In terms of being able to defend yourself, if I can share one piece of advice it is to avoid situations that seem dangerous or risky. I used to feel like you are feeling now, like I want to take something so I can defend myself if there ever is any danger. So I took tae kwon do for 4 and a half years. Turns out tae kwon do isn't the BEST for practical self-defense. However, something really important that I took away from tae kwon do was that avoiding potential dangerous situations is really the way to avoid getting in conflicts. Getting into a conflict is always risky, even if you are a 7th degree black belt. The other person might have a weapon, or if something happens to them they can sue you, vice-versa, etc.. I have learned that if a situation seems risky, I usually just avoid it and nothing will happen. I mean it can be as small as deciding to not go to the corner store in the middle of the night or something like that.

However, martial arts is utterly amazing and awesome and an incredible experience and journey and all those phrases. It really is great for exercise + confidence + overall attitude towards life, and I recommend it 100% if you have never done anything like that. Definitely go for it
Batibot
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Philippines348 Posts
July 15 2009 10:05 GMT
#24
On July 15 2009 18:00 Patriot.dlk wrote:
I do live in a crappy place. When I moved here my friend got me a machete in a move-in present=)
I could tell 10 stories at least. So everyone thinks Krav Maga...

I think so also but one concern I have is that they might practice to soft?

You can always practice harder yourself, you just have to set your pace and intensity of training.
Jaedong has to be a Bonjwa. Tired of of rooting for July.
DeathSpank
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States1029 Posts
July 15 2009 11:13 GMT
#25
krav maga. It's best you go with a buddy who also wants to kick ass. That way you get the full effect. Krav maga can be summed up as such:
1. evade or counter attack
2. kick in balls
3. repeat
yes.
NukemDuke
Profile Joined June 2009
53 Posts
July 15 2009 11:34 GMT
#26
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-15 11:41:51
July 15 2009 11:40 GMT
#27
I would guess both will be more than plenty to defend yourself versus the average person you encounter, but with MMA being much more enjoyable to practice. Learning to defend yourself is one thing but you don't need to be some streetsoldier who can make weapons out of paper bags to defeat an army of 10 in an alley.

p.s. about the video I know I'm never going to lift weights like a bodybuilder either but that doesn't make it impressive. I don't see what could possibly impress you about that video there's probably a million people out there who could do the same.
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Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
July 15 2009 13:47 GMT
#28
On July 15 2009 17:19 Patriot.dlk wrote:
If someone jumps me or stalks me I want to be able to outrun that person (so I run tree times a week).


lol you seem pretty worried of being attacked =)

Anyways, I would go with MMA. You don't wanna kill people, you want to be able to wrestle someone down or punch them hard in the face, not scratch peoples eyes out or bite off their testicles for shock value
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
July 15 2009 13:54 GMT
#29
On July 15 2009 18:48 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Well it's a good thing if the head coach is a really cool guy imo. I found that clip of him and I thought it was fairly impressive


What are you talking about though.

You see him playing with a kettle bell in the video. I have no idea how that relates to him being awesome at Krav Maga, being impressive in general or a "really cool guy"?
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5281 Posts
July 15 2009 14:03 GMT
#30
On July 15 2009 17:49 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2009 17:19 Patriot.dlk wrote:
If someone jumps me or stalks me I want to be able to outrun that person (so I run tree times a week).


You sound worried alright

ditto
ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
July 15 2009 14:59 GMT
#31
i believe that somebody trained in Krav Maga will actually be able to defend themselves in a real life situation, whereas a lot of MMA is just hypothetical.
U Gotta Skate.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-15 15:07:22
July 15 2009 15:07 GMT
#32
On July 15 2009 23:59 ghermination wrote:
i believe that somebody trained in Krav Maga will actually be able to defend themselves in a real life situation, whereas a lot of MMA is just hypothetical.


How is it hypothetical though when it's practiced in tournaments all the time. UFC etc

lol
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
ninjafetus
Profile Joined December 2008
United States231 Posts
July 15 2009 15:08 GMT
#33
If pure self defense if your only goal, you might just consider pepper spray and running practice... but if you're interested in martial arts, read on.

The most important thin isn't the art, it's the school and training methodology. Of course, for self defense, the most important things are situational awareness and a willingness to get out a bad spot if at all possible. You seem to already know this, so you're off to a good start. So, what happens if you can't avoid a conflict? What happens is that you'll fall to your level of training rather than rise to your expectations... so you need to be training the right way.

You need to find a school that practices with medium to hard sparring relatively often. It doesn't matter if it's MMA or Krav Maga or even a boxing gym (though I would recommend a school that teaches some grappling over one that doesn't, everything else being equal). Without getting sidetracked into a big discussion of the 'why', the short reason is that you'll only be able to apply things you've practiced if you're used to doing them in a resistant environment. It doesn't matter how 'deadly' your school's techniques are... if you can't safely practice them, you will never get good at doing them against someone who is actively trying to stop you. (I can go into more detail if you're interested)

So, which one should you choose? I don't know! Go visit the schools. Watch how they train. Do they spend all their time on compliant drills and kata? That's not what you're looking for. Do they start with compliant drills and then slowly add resistance until they're practicing the technique against someone who's actively trying to counter you? Do they spend half their class with free sparring, so they can try and apply all their techniques against an opponent who's trying to stop them? Then you've probably found a much better school.

A lot of "MMA" schools are traditional karate/TKD schools trying to cash in on the recent popularity of MMA. From what I've seen, Krav Maga schools can vary greatly from place to place. If you do check out an MMA school, ask questions about how they train, ask about their qualifications in grappling and striking (do they have a legitimate BJJ rank? Under what lineage? Does the coach have a competition record, or students with one? etc.) If you visit a Krav Maga school, it's a little harder and you'll probably have to decide based on what you see.

Ask if you can do trial classes for a week. Watch the advanced classes, too. Don't sign a long term contract until you've given it a shot.
Lord_of_Chaos
Profile Joined June 2007
Sweden372 Posts
July 15 2009 15:30 GMT
#34
"However, martial arts is utterly amazing and awesome and an incredible experience and journey and all those phrases. It really is great for exercise + confidence + overall attitude towards life, and I recommend it 100% if you have never done anything like that. Definitely go for it "
qft

Anyway, Krav Maga or similar military systems adapted for civilian defense give the best all around defense. Any martial art that has a sport element will get you good at that, and MMA would be the most all around, but it is specificly designed for one on one unarmed fighting, which is what it will get you good (best) at. Whereas the self defense systems (like krav maga) focus on the all around defense: one on one, weapons, several people etc. Basicly every possible scenario.

From what I've seen at my old dojo (which we shared with a krav maga club) their practice is far from soft, but still not killer hard. But that would depend a lot on each individual club. The bigger clubs should have beginner, continuer and advanced classes too, which should increase the difficulity and intensity.


But honestly, whatever you practice it's better than nothiing even if it's tai chi. Since you are thinking about MMA or Krav Maga, I'd recommend to try both first. Most clubs have like "try twice for free" or something.
DBunny
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada192 Posts
July 15 2009 18:04 GMT
#35
Learning a martial art is probably a step backwards if all you are interested in is self defense. People don't just randomly attack people for no reason, and if you are being mugged, odds are that the mugger(s) have set a situation up where they will be at an advantage such as having more people and/or weapons. No martial art is going to help you in this situation, and any place that tells you otherwise is definitely one to avoid. As ninja said, carry pepper spray or whatever is legal, and have a good set of legs/lungs.

Ditto on martial arts having a positive impact in your life in terms of motivating you to eat healthy and exercise. If you do decide to take up a martial art, the most important thing is to choose one that you enjoy devoting your time to. I highly recommend something that focuses on techniques against resisting opponents, as it is a great feeling when you successfully use them to beat someone who was trying just as hard as you - it validates your time and effort spent training and now you know it actually works. This confidence is what you carry in to a confrontation, knowing that if it came down to it you could probably defend yourself successfully. For this reason I recommend something like mma, boxing, bjj, wrestling, muay thai, or judo.

The problem I have with MAs such as krav maga is that it teaches techniques that end fights as quickly as possible, things like eye gouges/groin strikes/trachea crushes. You can't train these techniques against resisting opponents - you can pretend that you are doing them against a practice partner but then your partner won't really be inclined to defend it as hard. If you haven't actually performed these moves on someone, the chances that you can do it for the first time in a high-stress level situation are pretty slim.
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