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XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-26 06:42:25
April 26 2009 06:33 GMT
#1
EDIT: I am the terran, and had to endure the pylon hearts, scouts, and verbal abuse. Thanks for reading!

Check it out, the game is really one-sided, but it features scouts, pylon hearts, and the first BM I've ever done:
[image loading]


I probably shouldn't have wasted my time with that dick, but I just wanted to make him pay a little

While you're still reading, I would like some help against the strategy he used so that this won't happen to me again. He used a really weird build order, 2 gate goons into 3 gate DTs into an expo, but it's the idea of the build I have trouble with. Units from a 2-gate prevent me from immediately taking my natural when I do a siege expand, and then the DTs kill all turrets that go up in the natural, further delaying my expo. How can I prevent the toss from delaying my expo like this? The only things I can think of are better turret placement and better scouting of his forces.

*
"To be fair, Kal played like absolute garbage. His noted inconsistency and bad record versus Jaedong high fived into a cacophony of suck." - TwoToneTerran
food
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1951 Posts
April 26 2009 06:37 GMT
#2
sick brag
didnt read
Can someone ban this guy please? FA?
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
April 26 2009 06:40 GMT
#3
On April 26 2009 15:37 food wrote:
sick brag
didnt read

Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-26 06:44:09
April 26 2009 06:41 GMT
#4
On April 26 2009 15:37 food wrote:
sick brag
didnt read


I am the terran. I'll edit to make it more clear. Oh, and thank you for your extremely, ingenious, constructive comment.

On April 26 2009 15:40 Seraphim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2009 15:37 food wrote:
sick brag
didnt read



And thank you for your enormous contribution!
"To be fair, Kal played like absolute garbage. His noted inconsistency and bad record versus Jaedong high fived into a cacophony of suck." - TwoToneTerran
VorcePA
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1102 Posts
April 26 2009 06:42 GMT
#5
On April 26 2009 15:41 XinRan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2009 15:37 food wrote:
sick brag
didnt read


I am the terran. I'll edit to make it more clear. Oh, and thank you for your extremely, ingenious, constructive comment.


Dude, it's a blog. What do you want from this place?
Shitposting
XinRan
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States530 Posts
April 26 2009 06:45 GMT
#6
On April 26 2009 15:42 VorcePA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2009 15:41 XinRan wrote:
On April 26 2009 15:37 food wrote:
sick brag
didnt read


I am the terran. I'll edit to make it more clear. Oh, and thank you for your extremely, ingenious, constructive comment.


Dude, it's a blog. What do you want from this place?


That's true. If I don't get any advice from here, I'll go to the strat forum. But I was hoping for some comments on the game, at least.
"To be fair, Kal played like absolute garbage. His noted inconsistency and bad record versus Jaedong high fived into a cacophony of suck." - TwoToneTerran
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-26 06:49:45
April 26 2009 06:48 GMT
#7
You got it with the better scouting. If you see it coming make sure you can protect your turrets with your tanks/workers.

Oh and STOP PLAYING ON PYTHON.

Map sucks, stop playing on it!
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24676 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-26 06:55:11
April 26 2009 06:54 GMT
#8
On April 26 2009 15:42 VorcePA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2009 15:41 XinRan wrote:
On April 26 2009 15:37 food wrote:
sick brag
didnt read


I am the terran. I'll edit to make it more clear. Oh, and thank you for your extremely, ingenious, constructive comment.


Dude, it's a blog. What do you want from this place?

Don't sully my section.

Contribute to the thread or lurk.

OP: Hm I've never had that happen to me. I'd think in addition to the better scouting, abuse spider mines to reduce the threat to your turrets and comsat energy when you get it.

edit: and python is okay if you want to play it
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
CommanderFluffy
Profile Joined June 2008
Taiwan1059 Posts
April 26 2009 06:57 GMT
#9
On April 26 2009 15:48 Jayme wrote:
You got it with the better scouting. If you see it coming make sure you can protect your turrets with your tanks/workers.

Oh and STOP PLAYING ON PYTHON.

Map sucks, stop playing on it!


what's wrong with python? who doesnt like python? i LOVE python
Pain is temporary, but glory is forever.
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
April 26 2009 07:03 GMT
#10
+1 for python, it's the only map I play. Takes too much effort to learn a new map.
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-26 07:06:55
April 26 2009 07:06 GMT
#11
On April 26 2009 16:03 T.O.P. wrote:
+1 for python, it's the only map I play. Takes too much effort to learn a new map.


Reason why I hate it. Not only is it lol outdated but there are plenty of people out there that think the exact same thing.. whether you're being sarcastic or not.

Hard to play many D-C ranked games on a map that isn't python, it's painful.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Fontong
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States6454 Posts
April 26 2009 07:07 GMT
#12
On April 26 2009 16:03 T.O.P. wrote:
+1 for python, it's the only map I play. Takes too much effort to learn a new map.

learn new maps

i know where you live

:O
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Creationism
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
China505 Posts
April 26 2009 07:07 GMT
#13
On April 26 2009 15:57 CommanderFluffy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2009 15:48 Jayme wrote:
You got it with the better scouting. If you see it coming make sure you can protect your turrets with your tanks/workers.

Oh and STOP PLAYING ON PYTHON.

Map sucks, stop playing on it!


what's wrong with python? who doesnt like python? i LOVE python


PYTHON IS GREAAATTT!!!!!!
The hoi polloi is the plague upon the world.
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-26 07:32:32
April 26 2009 07:31 GMT
#14
Siege expand puts you ahead if they went 2 gate. From there, use spider mines to prevent the DT from just walking into your base, and then turrets at everywhere important to prevent harassment from walking dt.

the 2 gate goon slows down the tech, so when 3 gate dt would hit, you should have at least 9 spider mines, and at least 3-4 turrets to deal with possible shuttle/reaver harassment or dt harassment anyway.

3 gate dt is pretty much an all-in build anyway, as you have your expansion from a siege expand for so much longer than toss does it's gg if he dosen't auto-kill you. Basically, you have your expansion up and running for at least a minute before protoss can hit you, so focus on defending. If you need to lift up your expo when the dt hit you, wall off your main, and then retake it with turrets and comsat, you'll probably still be ahead.

If you can sneak an scv around to see that there is no expansion from protoss (or a floating rax), then just prepare to defend, check for sneaky secret expansions, and try to punish the inevitable double expand after he tries to hit you with the dt. The double expand takes a while to hit, so focus on defending, push after you've neutralised the dt, and win.
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eagle
Profile Joined April 2009
United States693 Posts
April 26 2009 07:42 GMT
#15
ahahahahahahah
Kennelie
Profile Joined December 2007
United States2296 Posts
April 26 2009 09:41 GMT
#16
i rather play gaia.........but thats meh....
ya had ya shot kid!
Aqo[il]
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Israel183 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-26 11:09:10
April 26 2009 11:06 GMT
#17
haha awesome, 2goon->DT is the PvT build I used like half my games on maps with ramps back when I played P. I play Z now tho.

I never encountered a Terran who can hard-counter this build, the DTs pretty much give the P map control and ensure that he can expand before the Terran can. You could try to piss the P off with dropships but he should have dragoons to defend in time. Your best bet is probably to get scan asap when you realize he's getting DTs and then get rid of them and go down your ramp.

P has to cut probes to play this thing safely (to actually get the DTs fast enough without letting you sneak out vultures, or else you can just fuck him up with mines and it's autowin for Terran) so you won't be too much behind in economy. Just play standard from there and expect really fast Arbiters... and I mean reaaally fast.

If you're playing in the D-C range you might as well get mines every time, but better Ps will be able to kill the mines you place with their early goon/DT and you won't be able to move anywhere outside of siege/turret range, so probably better not risk it, unless you're really confident in your micro.
Reavers. Lurkers. Vultures. Defilers. Corsairs. Vessels. Why did they remove all the cool units from SC2...?
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
April 26 2009 11:22 GMT
#18
you're a dick for not leaving when the toss went into your base
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
April 26 2009 13:31 GMT
#19
this thread screams "hey i'm the kind of asshole that everyone hates! I am here to tell everyone about the shit i do so that they'll never play a game with me ever"
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
anderoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada1876 Posts
April 26 2009 14:26 GMT
#20
python is an alright map, but if you only play i then expand your horizons, fuck.
if you click on the "Show All" tab on the games list on iccup and it's like 90% python
-_-
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