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thor jton
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada62 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-11 02:25:31
December 11 2008 02:24 GMT
#1
About 2 weeks before the last iccup
i decided to switch from protoss to terran
i figured it would be a good expirience since i like terran better than protoss
so right now i'm d-/d and kinda sucking
my favorite build is
8 supply
9 barracks
10 gas
12 marine
13 factory
14 fac
15 marine
16 siege workshop
17 siege workshop
18 supply
19 marine/tank/expo\
i was wondering if this is a good build or not and if so
what could i improve on?

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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-11 02:30:20
December 11 2008 02:26 GMT
#2
Recommended Threads ftw :o

A good build order would be:
9 supply
11 barracks (get at least 4 marines before your factory finishes to defend against early goon harass)
12 refinery
14 supply
16 factory (remove all but 1 scv from gas)

Then, when factory's near complete, start mining from 3 gas again. Get machine shop after it's done
When it's done, research mines.

Alternatively, as soon as your machine shop is building, you can throw down your command center above your ramp.
Official Entusman #21
thor jton
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada62 Posts
December 11 2008 02:28 GMT
#3
i know
but this is my own variation
i use mostly on tvp
sometimes on tvz
and was wondering if anyone had any help for me on it
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
December 11 2008 02:30 GMT
#4
You're sacrificing so much economy for no reason. You get two factories, but only get one tank before expand. For maximum economy without delaying unit production much, you can go
9 supply
11 or 12 barracks
12 gas
14 or 15 depot
15 or 16 factory (these depend a bit on if you lost a scouting SCV or if a probe killed an SCV)
etc. someone should be able to give a more detailed build than me, but that's a much better start. Look around the teamliquid replay section for the Flash vs Stork game on Colosseum, Flash uses a very solid TvP build for playing off three bases, getting a large army with fast upgrades, and moving out rather safely.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
December 11 2008 02:31 GMT
#5
@infinity - If you wall, you can live with 1-2 marines fairly easily.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
December 11 2008 02:33 GMT
#6
About your build order, you sacrifice too much economy from building things too quickly. You want to be building scvs nonstop maybe except at 16 supply when you want to get your factory up asap.
Official Entusman #21
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
December 11 2008 02:34 GMT
#7
Wow infinity, you just said about exactly what I said with your two posts combined. >.<
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
December 11 2008 02:36 GMT
#8
oh hahaha
I guess that means we're more or less correct?
Official Entusman #21
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
December 11 2008 02:45 GMT
#9
Well, okay. This build would never work in TvZ, because he can just expand as much as he wants. I can elaborate more tomorrow but I've gotta go for now.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
thor jton
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada62 Posts
December 11 2008 02:46 GMT
#10
kk
sounds good
i have tried this before and it has 50/50 effect
if they go for dt's/rush/early attack it fails horribly
if not
i works pretty good
but i will try poke bunny's strat
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
December 11 2008 02:51 GMT
#11
http://www.teamliquid.net/replay/download.php?replay=1245
Flash vs Stork rep referenced
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24648 Posts
December 11 2008 03:26 GMT
#12
On December 11 2008 11:31 Pokebunny wrote:
@infinity - If you wall, you can live with 1-2 marines fairly easily.

With close positions will you be able to hold off the goons with a bit of scv healing of the depot and then tank positioned correctly?
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
December 11 2008 03:35 GMT
#13
I think what Sea does is build a cc off 1-2 marines and increase to 3 after the cc starts building. I prefer having at least 4 though. Not all of us have pro gamer micro and it's not worth risking the entire game for a minor advantage since we're not quite at that level of pro-ness
Official Entusman #21
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
December 11 2008 03:40 GMT
#14
13 factory?

thats....interesting

and then 18 depot?

I'm going to cautiously label this a bad build
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
December 11 2008 03:44 GMT
#15
On December 11 2008 12:26 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2008 11:31 Pokebunny wrote:
@infinity - If you wall, you can live with 1-2 marines fairly easily.

With close positions will you be able to hold off the goons with a bit of scv healing of the depot and then tank positioned correctly?


unless he goes super mega hardcore

I mean if you do it on longinus you're fucked, but if his goons are shooting up ramp and he went something like 1 gate tech you're fine.

Just make sure to pump tanks initially (since it wouldnt make a ton of sense to FD off this) and siege expand cautiously
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
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