About 2 weeks before the last iccup
i decided to switch from protoss to terran
i figured it would be a good expirience since i like terran better than protoss
so right now i'm d-/d and kinda sucking
my favorite build is
8 supply
9 barracks
10 gas
12 marine
13 factory
14 fac
15 marine
16 siege workshop
17 siege workshop
18 supply
19 marine/tank/expo\
i was wondering if this is a good build or not and if so
what could i improve on?

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

December 11 2008 02:26 GMT

Recommended Threads ftw :o

A good build order would be:
9 supply
11 barracks (get at least 4 marines before your factory finishes to defend against early goon harass)
12 refinery
14 supply
16 factory (remove all but 1 scv from gas)

Then, when factory's near complete, start mining from 3 gas again. Get machine shop after it's done
When it's done, research mines.

Alternatively, as soon as your machine shop is building, you can throw down your command center above your ramp.

thor jton

Canada62 Posts

December 11 2008 02:28 GMT

i know
but this is my own variation
i use mostly on tvp
sometimes on tvz
and was wondering if anyone had any help for me on it

Pokebunny

United States10654 Posts

December 11 2008 02:30 GMT

You're sacrificing so much economy for no reason. You get two factories, but only get one tank before expand. For maximum economy without delaying unit production much, you can go
9 supply
11 or 12 barracks
12 gas
14 or 15 depot
15 or 16 factory (these depend a bit on if you lost a scouting SCV or if a probe killed an SCV)
etc. someone should be able to give a more detailed build than me, but that's a much better start. Look around the teamliquid replay section for the Flash vs Stork game on Colosseum, Flash uses a very solid TvP build for playing off three bases, getting a large army with fast upgrades, and moving out rather safely.

Pokebunny

United States10654 Posts

December 11 2008 02:31 GMT

@infinity - If you wall, you can live with 1-2 marines fairly easily.

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

December 11 2008 02:33 GMT

About your build order, you sacrifice too much economy from building things too quickly. You want to be building scvs nonstop maybe except at 16 supply when you want to get your factory up asap.

Pokebunny

United States10654 Posts

December 11 2008 02:34 GMT

Wow infinity, you just said about exactly what I said with your two posts combined. >.<

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

December 11 2008 02:36 GMT

oh hahaha
I guess that means we're more or less correct?

Pokebunny

United States10654 Posts

December 11 2008 02:45 GMT

Well, okay. This build would never work in TvZ, because he can just expand as much as he wants. I can elaborate more tomorrow but I've gotta go for now.

thor jton

Canada62 Posts

December 11 2008 02:46 GMT

#10

kk
sounds good
i have tried this before and it has 50/50 effect
if they go for dt's/rush/early attack it fails horribly
if not
i works pretty good
but i will try poke bunny's strat

Pokebunny

United States10654 Posts

December 11 2008 02:51 GMT

#11

http://www.teamliquid.net/replay/download.php?replay=1245
Flash vs Stork rep referenced

micronesia

United States24805 Posts

December 11 2008 03:26 GMT

#12

On December 11 2008 11:31 Pokebunny wrote:
@infinity - If you wall, you can live with 1-2 marines fairly easily.

With close positions will you be able to hold off the goons with a bit of scv healing of the depot and then tank positioned correctly?

infinity21

Canada6683 Posts

December 11 2008 03:35 GMT

#13

I think what Sea does is build a cc off 1-2 marines and increase to 3 after the cc starts building. I prefer having at least 4 though. Not all of us have pro gamer micro and it's not worth risking the entire game for a minor advantage since we're not quite at that level of pro-ness

fusionsdf

Canada15390 Posts

December 11 2008 03:40 GMT

#14

13 factory?

thats....interesting

and then 18 depot?

I'm going to cautiously label this a bad build

fusionsdf

Canada15390 Posts

December 11 2008 03:44 GMT

#15

On December 11 2008 12:26 micronesia wrote:

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With close positions will you be able to hold off the goons with a bit of scv healing of the depot and then tank positioned correctly?

unless he goes super mega hardcore

I mean if you do it on longinus you're fucked, but if his goons are shooting up ramp and he went something like 1 gate tech you're fine.

Just make sure to pump tanks initially (since it wouldnt make a ton of sense to FD off this) and siege expand cautiously