so the other night i met a girl at lunch at my college and we started talking and we got to know each other fairly well. We talked for like 2 hours then she gave me her msn and we traded #'s and then we went back to our own dorm rooms. Then she got on cam on msn and she showed me her dances and all that. And yes she danced with clothes on. Then after she got off msn she called me and asked me if i wanted to come by her room tomorrow around 5pm so she can show me some "new dance moves she learned". I told her yea sure i would probably call her then come over after. Now the question i have is, does she really want to show me some new dance moves or is it something else? If i go over i dont want to seduce her because im beginning to like her, and i think that if we have sex things will be different. Or maybe idk wtf i'm talking about. Post your opinions if you want but at least keep them on topic and give me some real advice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Part 2: I just wanted to let you all know that i have been reading all of your comments. Some of them are really helpful, and some of them are just plain random. The majority of you think she wants "me to be balls-deep in her salivating vagina." Anyways in 6 hours i will be in her dorm room. And after tonight i will tell you all what happened. Just because you all think we're are going to have sex, i hope all she does is show me her new dance moves. Oh and i wanted to tell you all that she sent me a text earlier today and told me that i give her butterflies every time i talk to her. I just thought i would throw that in. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Part 3: Ok so i just got back from her dorm room. Now i got there around 5pm and got done at about 8:30 ish. When i got in there it looked like she had cleaned the place and even got us some dinner. I told her she didnt have to get dinner but it was nice of her. We ate dinner (chinese), and we watched a movie she had, it was Saw 4 (one of my favorites). While we watched the movie she was making weird faces because it was too gory for her tastes. Near the middle of the movie she grabbed my arm and squeezed tight because she was scared. So, being the gentleman i am, i put my arm around her and told her it's ok you can hold onto me if it makes you feel any better. This made her happy so she scooted closer to me and i put my arm around her. Then right after we got into this position she turned off the movie because she was too disgusted. I of course lol'd at her and teased her for a minute. When i teased her she would be like "shut up" in a flirty kinda voice. Then it got quiet, you know that kinda quiet where you just look at eachother and you know you want something to happen? yea that kinda quiet. Then i moved in closer to her and i put my hand on her cheek and I went in for the kiss. When our lips met it was magical! imo it was something like a fairy tell kiss. For like 10 mins we madeout sitting up then eventually she pushed me on my back and continued to make out with me cept now she is on top. We continue like this for maybe another 5-10 mins, idk i lost track of time. Then all of a sudden she stops and says i can't do this, i don't want to go any farther then this. Now I am in shock, but i smile anyways and tell her "it's ok, i didn't plan to come here and have sex with you." This made her smile and she kissed me once more. Then i started asking her questions about her past bf's, what she looks for in a guy, and just what her personality is like. We talked until about 8:20, then we madeout again to my amazement. Then i told her i got to get back to my dorm room i have too much homework due tomorrow for class. Of course she was sad but asked me if i wanted to come over again tomorrow and i was like yea sure of course i would love to come over again. Then we walked to the door together and i kissed her goodnight and told her i had a really great time tonight and she agreed with me. Then i asked her if she wanted to go to dinner with me tomorrow night. She excitedly said yes and i told her ill come get her after my class is over and we'll go out. So overall, I had a great night with her. OH AND SHE DIDNT EVEN SHOW ME THE NEW DANCE MOVES! i just remembered that lol. Tomorrow night at her place i will ask her to show me them and i will find a video on youtube that resembles what she showed me. I think after a couple more nights with her i am going to ask her to be my gf. + Show Spoiler +
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Update #4: So i just realized that i have not updated you all on what has happened since that night. As in the past, we have been talking A LOT! it feels like we have gotten to know everything about each other and we still are happy being around each other. sometimes it is hard to hang out because of our schedules but we do what we can. I took her out to dinner the other night and we had one of those deep conversations. I totally scored a lot of brownie points with her. And she even said every time she is with me she cant stop smiling. Then she told me how she feels about me and all that good stuff, so i replied with some cheesy things that i feel about her. THEN I POPPED THE QUESTION, "yo, you wanna be my gf?" She put down her fork and just looked at me. At this point i was getting really red because if she said no, what would i do, and if she said yes, what would i do lol. Lucky for me, she was like yes i would love too. I was like ooo yay who's the man!? of course that made me look bad but it made her laugh so who cares lol. After she was like hey lets go to my place. So we did, and ill leave this update with... it was like warm apple pie. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Update #5: Its been awhile since i posted stuff about my new relationship, so i thought tonight i would do it. Like any relationship in the beginning its been going nice. We are learning stuff about each other all the time. Also from what i can tell we aren't like all clingy and always wanting to spend 24/7 with each other. like we know that we need space sometimes and hang out with our own friends, and we both respect that. Oh, and i wanted to tell you all why i haven't got laid yet. The reason that i haven't scored yet is because she wants to wait. She says either marriage or most likely wait for the perfect guy to come along and make it special. And i totally respect that, thats what i told her. Of course we do other things if you know what i mean...She just doesn't want to feel like a slut, thats why she wants to wait. I dont understand either so dont make fun of it please. But a problem did come up in our relationship...in a couple of years we have to go to different schools to finish our education. I thinks he has to go to Michigan or some shit and I have to go to Seattle. The reason i have to go to Seattle is because of the scholarship i have. The scholarship that i have requires me to go to the school that they want me too, but they cover everything. She doesnt want to go to Seattle because she doesn't like their medical field as much as Michigan's. So even if we last that long, what happens when we have to go to different school? I dont want to think about it right now but it comes up in my mind everytime i see her now. Oh well, post your opinions on whats happened so far
On September 02 2008 16:10 terranmetal wrote: lmao you can turn this situation sexual REAL FAST....there is no other way, she wants it, you are just prolonging it by going into a "relationship".
Well i prefer to get into a relationship and have sex with someone that i know and care for then some random one night stand with some slut whos name i dont even know
ok, you like this girl cause she's "not like the other girls at your college." But guess what? She IS like all the other girls at your college in that she wants to be fucked, and by YOU, so GL soldier.
The relationship can come afterwards lol! If you "don't seduce her cause ur beginning to like her" this isn't gonna fucking go anywhere (from her point of view maybe). You need to seduce her and just go along with how things go tomorrow.
You realize why nice guys like you (and I) sometimes lose the girl we like? Cause even tho girls do love us, they don't want that pansy shit, lol it's almost like you're purposely trying to put yourself into the "let's just be friends zone..."
So yeh...if you don't want her ending up with some jackass, I'd go "learn those dance mooves!"
Also, keep in mind all of what you're going through is in the context of the beginning of the school year.
This is the time, especially for freshmen, when they first start meeting new friends/people in college and forming all those connections, so you already have the hard parts done, now this girl is basically spoon feeding you her vagina, and you're trying to tell us, "no, I just want peas and potatoes."
So um yeh, just go over, see what happens. You'd rather end up with this girl than someone else right? You can escalate whatever happens from whatever happens tomorrow, whether it's relationship- wise or sex-wise.
On September 02 2008 17:02 avilo wrote: ok, you like this girl cause she's "not like the other girls at your college." But guess what? She IS like all the other girls at your college in that she wants to be fucked, and by YOU, so GL soldier.
The relationship can come afterwards lol! If you "don't seduce her cause ur beginning to like her" this isn't gonna fucking go anywhere. You need to seduce her and just go along with how things go tomorrow.
You realize why nice guys like you (and I) sometimes lose the girl we like? Cause even tho girls do love us, they don't want that pansy shit, lol it's almost like you're purposely trying to put yourself into the "let's just be friends zone..."
So yeh...if you don't want her ending up with some jackass, I'd go "learn those dance mooves!"
This is all fine and dandy if you believe starting a relationship off with sex is at all healthy.
Not trying to be judgemental of people who do that sort of thing. just my 2 cents.
On September 02 2008 17:02 avilo wrote: ok, you like this girl cause she's "not like the other girls at your college." But guess what? She IS like all the other girls at your college in that she wants to be fucked, and by YOU, so GL soldier.
The relationship can come afterwards lol! If you "don't seduce her cause ur beginning to like her" this isn't gonna fucking go anywhere. You need to seduce her and just go along with how things go tomorrow.
You realize why nice guys like you (and I) sometimes lose the girl we like? Cause even tho girls do love us, they don't want that pansy shit, lol it's almost like you're purposely trying to put yourself into the "let's just be friends zone..."
So yeh...if you don't want her ending up with some jackass, I'd go "learn those dance mooves!"
This is all fine and dandy if you believe starting a relationship off with sex is at all healthy.
Not trying to be judgemental of people who do that sort of thing. just my 2 cents.
your post is pretty good though.
ah yah, good point. Sex b4 relationship can um, sorta screw the relationship b4 it starts especially if she only wants the sex...but it seems like saltywaffles will have to work this one in reverse, unorthodox build of sex -> into relationship -.- otherwise, saltywaffles, ya might wanna find another dream girl.
But saltywaffles, if your interaction with her previously was really genuine, nice, and good like you've described, then I'd say you may have hit one of those jackpots in the sense this is a girl you really like AND is into you as well, PLUS she also wants sex asap and there's nothing wrong with that! go for it!
But saltywaffles, if your interaction with her previously was really genuine, nice, and good like you've described, then I'd say you may have hit one of those jackpots in the sense this is a girl you really like AND is into you as well, PLUS she also wants sex asap and there's nothing wrong with that! go for it!
I don't know why you worry. Just go with it. If you guys really like eachother what could possibly go wrong (apart from you showing up with a snes, condoms and checking under the bed and behind the door before entering the room)
i completely agree with avilo, she wants sex and if you like her you should obey, otherwise there's a high risk you're just gonna be friends forever. Risk is still there of course, but at least you had some fun beforehand
On September 02 2008 16:57 Xiberia wrote: I think she just likes to dance.
haha =)
well, who knows what she's up to apart from having sex with you - find it out!
(that's a very simple advice.. you just can't know if she wants more than one night, but you don't come around that one if you want to appear like a man and avoid the friend's zone and if she's NOT a slut, only a determined person who immediately shows her affection and sets things into motion, it's even the better)
Anytime you meet a woman like this and have 2 hours of good conversation, the odds are pretty good she "likes" you (and presumably you like her too, or else you wouldn't have wanted to talk so long). Then to go home and get on MSN, and her show off on webcam... that just makes it even that much more likely she really likes you. And that she is inviting you over to her place... What is the saying? There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see.
Yeah, it sounds pretty obvious she is romantically interested in you. I wouldn't plan on sex for the first time, but if you guys are having a good time when you go over (the vibe is warm, friendly, etc), you might kiss her a bit. I'm no master at dating/romance, but I usually get the warm vibe going, then just ask if I can kiss her. Anything other than a look of discomfort or a "no" means yes, in my mind.
Sounds like you found someone you have hit it off with quite well. Enjoy it, dude. But I still wouldn't go for sex right off the bat - but that's me. Do what seems right.
Not sure if you'll even read this, but I believe whatever you do, just don't waver in your decision. As long as you are sure of what you want, don't let anyone else steer you off your path. Of course, this means you can't depend, not saying you can't refer to, on the answers you get in your blog.
Ask yourself what it is you're approaching her for. You said this girl is different, right? Then go and make sure that she really IS that different girl you're looking for. Don't falter in your decision and waver between sex and relationship. Make it clear to both her and yourself what your intentions are, so you don't end up making the wrong choice. If it turns out she agrees with your decision, then great! You can start dating and get to know her much better. If she only wants sex, then it's your problem from that point on.
That's all I can really say with what I've read so far. Just remember to keep a strong mindset. The last thing any girl wants for a man is for him to be led around by the nose simply because he can't make up his mind.
On September 03 2008 00:57 ilovezil wrote: Not sure if you'll even read this, but I believe whatever you do, just don't waver in your decision. As long as you are sure of what you want, don't let anyone else steer you off your path. Of course, this means you can't depend, not saying you can't refer to, on the answers you get in your blog.
Ask yourself what it is you're approaching her for. You said this girl is different, right? Then go and make sure that she really IS that different girl you're looking for. Don't falter in your decision and waver between sex and relationship. Make it clear to both her and yourself what your intentions are, so you don't end up making the wrong choice. If it turns out she agrees with your decision, then great! You can start dating and get to know her much better. If she only wants sex, then it's your problem from that point on.
That's all I can really say with what I've read so far. Just remember to keep a strong mindset. The last thing any girl wants for a man is for him to be led around by the nose simply because he can't make up his mind.
Yes yes yes can't say how much I agree with this post. (Except for the very last part, you should be determined for you own sake not because girls like it imo )
On September 03 2008 00:15 nA.Inky wrote: Anytime you meet a woman like this and have 2 hours of good conversation, the odds are pretty good she "likes" you (and presumably you like her too, or else you wouldn't have wanted to talk so long). Then to go home and get on MSN, and her show off on webcam... that just makes it even that much more likely she really likes you. And that she is inviting you over to her place... What is the saying? There are none so blind as those who WILL NOT see.
Yeah, it sounds pretty obvious she is romantically interested in you. I wouldn't plan on sex for the first time, but if you guys are having a good time when you go over (the vibe is warm, friendly, etc), you might kiss her a bit. I'm no master at dating/romance, but I usually get the warm vibe going, then just ask if I can kiss her. Anything other than a look of discomfort or a "no" means yes, in my mind.
Sounds like you found someone you have hit it off with quite well. Enjoy it, dude. But I still wouldn't go for sex right off the bat - but that's me. Do what seems right.
If it is going to be anything more than a one-night stand, than if you don't have sex with her despite her really wanting to, then it will drive her crazy and make her come back to you. THat is likely a more auspicious beginning to a long relationship than jumping into bed. Just make sure not to put her off in the wayyou refuse. Make sure she knows the option is there . . . just not that night.
On September 03 2008 03:50 Carnac wrote: ugh dont ASK if you can kiss her, just do it
On September 03 2008 04:25 il0seonpurpose wrote: What kind of dancing is it? good luck though
to tell you the truth, idk what kind of dancing she wants to show me. She didnt tell me, all she said was come by my place tomorrow at 5 and i'll show you some new dance moves that i learned.
On September 03 2008 04:25 il0seonpurpose wrote: What kind of dancing is it? good luck though
to tell you the truth, idk what kind of dancing she wants to show me. She didnt tell me, all she said was come by my place tomorrow at 5 and i'll show you some new dance moves that i learned.
Hopefully some grinding or some slutty stripper dancing.
Funny thing. I started talking to this one guy at lunch and we kind of hit it on. I'm a trans-gender btw if that makes any difference to you guys. Then that night we chatted on msn and stuff and I got on the web cam to show him some dance moves. He seemed pretty interested in me so earlier today I invited him over to my place at 5.
On September 03 2008 05:10 Titusmaster6 wrote: Funny thing. I started talking to this one guy at lunch and we kind of hit it on. I'm a trans-gender btw if that makes any difference to you guys. Then that night we chatted on msn and stuff and I got on the web cam to show him some dance moves. He seemed pretty interested in me so earlier today I invited him over to my place at 5.
What's the problem? Bring a condom and if it isn't sex, then it doesn't matter.
A problem will only arise if she starts dancing and you realise there is no sex, then you pull out the condom and cry, "What will I ever do with this now!?"
Dude, talking about past relationships is generally a no-no. Especially during the first "date" or whatever you wanna call what you did tonight. I mean.. wtf?
On September 03 2008 14:31 eshlow wrote: Dude, talking about past relationships is generally a no-no. Especially during the first "date" or whatever you wanna call what you did tonight. I mean.. wtf?
hey hey, she seemed to like it because i listened to her like none of her ex's did. all i did was ask a question and she talked about it a lot. If she felt uncomfortable about it she wouldnt have talked so much.
On September 03 2008 14:31 eshlow wrote: Dude, talking about past relationships is generally a no-no. Especially during the first "date" or whatever you wanna call what you did tonight. I mean.. wtf?
hey hey, she seemed to like it because i listened to her like none of her ex's did. all i did was ask a question and she talked about it a lot. If she felt uncomfortable about it she wouldnt have talked so much.
Glad it worked out for you... keep that in mind though. Generally, religion, politics and past relationships... can be volatile subjects. Not sure if you wanna talk about those things if you don't know each other too well (yet at least), heh.
On September 03 2008 14:31 eshlow wrote: Dude, talking about past relationships is generally a no-no. Especially during the first "date" or whatever you wanna call what you did tonight. I mean.. wtf?
hey hey, she seemed to like it because i listened to her like none of her ex's did. all i did was ask a question and she talked about it a lot. If she felt uncomfortable about it she wouldnt have talked so much.
Glad it worked out for you... keep that in mind though. Generally, religion, politics and past relationships... can be volatile subjects. Not sure if you wanna talk about those things if you don't know each other too well (yet at least), heh.
Keep us updated.
Yea i know its a touchy subject to bring up, but i didnt want to just sit there and look like an ass and not say anything so i took a chance. And lucky for me it was a good thing i asked because i got to learn a lot about her. And i will definitely keep updating you guys on how it goes between us. I have high hopes, but who knows something may come up or one of us might do something stupid.
Hahaha TL got so owned... Actually, it's just a bunch of < 20 year olds wanting some new JO material before they fap and play ICCup.
On a serious note. I'm kinda glad she said she couldn't do that... She barely knows you dude.. Plus, screwing stuff up by getting physical and missing out on the meat of a relationship would suck. You seem like a level-headed dude, props brother.
On September 03 2008 14:31 eshlow wrote: Dude, talking about past relationships is generally a no-no. Especially during the first "date" or whatever you wanna call what you did tonight. I mean.. wtf?
hey hey, she seemed to like it because i listened to her like none of her ex's did. all i did was ask a question and she talked about it a lot. If she felt uncomfortable about it she wouldnt have talked so much.
Glad it worked out for you... keep that in mind though. Generally, religion, politics and past relationships... can be volatile subjects. Not sure if you wanna talk about those things if you don't know each other too well (yet at least), heh.
Keep us updated.
And shoot, ask ASAP. Get all that out of the way, maybe you'll get really lucky and have a ton of similarities. Might as well not hold off the inevitable.
It seems a majority of you guys want updates. So in my free time between homework and "her", i will post what i can in the OP. After i update the OP i will bump my blog (even though it doesnt show on the left) to inform you that i updated. Tonight her and I are going to have dinner together it should go well.
Really happy for ya saltywaffles, excellently played even tho most pua people would be like, "ah you hit LMR (last minute resistance)," you did great in this social context because you'll be seeing each other a lot since you go to college together
so yeh, you hit the jackpot, ya got what ya wanted, and apparently she did too and when you said to her, "it's ok, i didn't plan to come here and have sex with you," you basically raised your value x100000000 because it shows you will stick around, and guaranteed that you' WILL be having sex with her eventually, if that's any consolation that you didn't this time ^^
congrats
p.s. I think you probably could have gotten sex (if you wanted), through escalating the moment, then toning it down, and then escalating it higher than b4. I forget what pua's call that but probably would have worked. But you're apparently a gentlemen and of course it's not always about the sex!
i feel like this story is a total bs. idk. he may be fooling us all. since when does a white girl use MSN for messaging? and stuff i read are sorta corny and awkward irl. lol anyway, gj, if it's true.
you sure you didn't make up the story about chinese food because most tl.net users are asians and they would be happy to see a girl offering chinese food and make-outs?
On September 05 2008 10:19 CapO wrote: i feel like this story is a total bs. idk. he may be fooling us all. since when does a white girl use MSN for messaging? and stuff i read are sorta corny and awkward irl. lol anyway, gj, if it's true.
So are you...calling..this story fake? Just cuz i do things that "normal" guys dont do doesnt mean this story is fake sir, and for the msn messaging thing... We cant always see each other in person because as i stated in my OP our schedules are busy. So sometimes we talk on msn i dont see a problem with that.
On September 05 2008 10:26 CapO wrote: also, making out after eating chinese food? wtf
you sure you didn't make up the story about chinese food because most tl.net users are asians and they would be happy to see a girl offering chinese food and make-outs?
again, if your story's true, i envy you.
Yes im sure it was chinese food. chicken friend rice..some egg rolls...yea. it wasnt fake and i didnt know most of tl.net users were asians lol. you learn something new everyday.
aite nvm then. i was just pointing out that i have never seen any white girls in using MSN messenger in USA. all they know what to use are aim, facebook, and some other video talk program.
I suppose it depends how long you have to be apart because of the schools, and how far apart they are? I dont know anything about american geography or whatever. But I'll tell you this, don't let distance scare you. If it is the person you truly love and want to be with forever, distance for a little bit will not change that.
On September 07 2008 10:31 Divinek wrote: I suppose it depends how long you have to be apart because of the schools, and how far apart they are? I dont know anything about american geography or whatever. But I'll tell you this, don't let distance scare you. If it is the person you truly love and want to be with forever, distance for a little bit will not change that.
I don't know anything about michigan but I do know that the university of washington is pretty big in the medical field. They get more federal money for research than any other school.
On September 07 2008 21:42 Xeofreestyler wrote: Wait I dont get it
you say it was like warm apple pie .. and then you say you didnt get layed?
yeah me either so..explain when you can
anywho Glad to see things are going well. Id probably stick it out with her you wont be at that school forever! O_o and there are plenty of talk,web,chat programs out there use them!
On September 07 2008 21:42 Xeofreestyler wrote: Wait I dont get it
you say it was like warm apple pie .. and then you say you didnt get layed?
yeah me either so..explain when you can
anywho Glad to see things are going well. Id probably stick it out with her you wont be at that school forever! O_o and there are plenty of talk,web,chat programs out there use them!
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