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United States3988 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-07 07:03:28
August 07 2008 07:00 GMT
#1
I admit, I'm not going to put too much effort into this blog, but this is so ridiculous I just had to post it. Seriously, whats going on?

Basically, a disabled man had his van parked in his driveway without a license plate on it. The city gave him a $50 ticket. Well he pretty much just completely ignored it, and since it was unpaid they took his house (which was completely paid off btw). I mean seriously, wtf? Who do these people think they are?

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Milwaukee man faces foreclosure because he didn’t pay parking fine
The ticket went unpaid for four years, eventually amounting to $2,600 in fines
By RAQUEL RUTLEDGE
rrutledge@journalsentinel.com
Posted: Aug. 2, 2008

Peter Tubic ignored a $50 parking fine in 2004, and on Monday, it cost him his $245,000 house.

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Among other health issues he's dealing with, Peter Tubic has had headaches dealing with his van, which is parked in his driveway without a license plates. He faces foreclosure on his home and is in a dispute with the city over citations he received for the van's lack of plates.

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A Milwaukee man received a $50 fine for parking a van with no license plates in his driveway. He ignored the ticket for more than four years, and last week the city foreclosed on his house.
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In what city officials believe is the first case of its kind, the city foreclosed on Tubic's house on W. Verona Court after repeated attempts to collect the fine - which over the years had escalated to $2,600 - had failed.

"Our goal isn't to acquire parcels," said Jim Klajbor, special deputy city treasurer. "Our goal is to just collect taxes. . . . It is only as a last resort that we would pursue . . . foreclosure."

Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Richard Sankovitz technically stayed the judgment to give Tubic one last chance to explain why he hasn't paid or even responded, but Sankovitz ruled in favor of the city's foreclosure.

"The city was entitled to a judgment," Sankovitz told Public Investigator on Thursday. "There hadn't been an answer to the complaint."

Tubic takes the blame for disregarding the 15 or more notices he received seeking payment and warning of the pending foreclosure on the house, which was fully paid off, but says he had good reason.

He was physically and psychologically unable to handle the situation, he says.

According to the Social Security Administration, Tubic, 62, has been disabled since 2001. He has been diagnosed with psychological disorders that limit his "ability to understand, remember and carry out detailed instructions," according to documents from the administration.

In addition he suffers from chronic pain caused by degenerative diseases of the knees and spine, as well as chronic respiratory disease, diabetes and obesity, among other ailments.

In several lengthy conversations with the P.I. Team spanning two weeks, Tubic frequently grunted in pain and broke down in tears.

"They're trying to take my house away for a parking violation," Tubic said. "I know it was my own fault for letting it drag on, I've been under mental duress. I haven't been able to handle this."

Janine Geske, a former Wisconsin Supreme Court justice and law professor at Marquette University, called the case a human tragedy and an example of how people can fall through the cracks in the system.

"It seems like a drastic remedy," Geske said of the city's foreclosure. "But on the other hand the city has to enforce its zoning laws. I don't fault the city for that.

"It's a shame someone didn't intervene to help him. . . . It would be nice if someone who worked for government would take the time and say 'let's look at this and see if we're doing the right thing.' . . . It would be nice if they would remember the human factor here."

Tubic first got the fine for parking his Ford E150 with no license plates in the driveway of the home, which belonged to his parents at the time . The radiator had broken and Tubic couldn't get his plates renewed unless the van passed an emissions test. He didn't have the money to make the repair and had more pressing worries, he said.

His father was suffering from dementia. His mother was battling cancer, and he was their live-in caretaker. He needed to shop, cook, clean, maintain the house and tend to his parents' needs.

The van repair could wait, he thought.

Then a man from the city showed up and told him otherwise. It was February 2004. Tubic would have to move the van or get license plates for it within 30 days, per city zoning codes, the man said. Somebody had complained.

Several days later Tubic's dad died. Tubic was overwhelmed, he said.

"It was a combination of things financial and emotional, my caregiving role, all heaped themselves on me at the wrong time," he said. "I still don't function well."

Month after month the city Department of Neighborhood Services sent an inspector to the house to see if the van had moved or had license plates. Each time a new fee was assessed. And a letter was sent to Tubic's home.

At no time did Tubic call or write to object or explain his circumstances, city officials said. So the bureaucratic cog kept turning.

Tubic's $50 fine escalated to $1,475, and after it was clear he wasn't going to respond, the city filed a tax lien. While Tubic paid the property taxes, he never paid the $1,475 for the zoning violation. With interest and penalties, he owed $2,645 before the city foreclosed on Monday.

Ronald Roberts, a code enforcement manager with the Department of Neighborhood Services, said the zoning code that prohibits people from parking unlicensed vehicles in their driveways is aimed at keeping residential properties from looking like junkyards.

The city issues about 1,500 fines for such "nuisance" violations - which also include illegally placed trash - every year. Many are for repeat inspections.

"Put yourself in the position of the neighbors," Roberts said.

Turns out in this case the neighbors weren't the ones to complain. Tubic had not been getting along with his brother, and his brother made the call. His brother, Jovon Tubic, said he called at the request of their mother, according to a letter from Jovon to Peter Tubic.

"One day in a very bad mood, Mom told me to get rid of the cars in the driveway right away," he wrote.

Peter Tubic, who ran unsuccessfully for the 97th District state assembly seat in 1996 and again in 1998, said he tried to explain to city inspectors that this was an internal family dispute but that inspectors "didn't want to hear it."

"If a violation exists, a violation exists," Roberts said. "We're going to enforce a violation.

"If someone says, 'I'm dealing with a death,' we're going to be reasonable and give them a 30-day extension," he said. "But $1,475, that's a lot of months mourning - not to be insensitive."

Roberts noted that every notice sent to Tubic had clearly written instructions on how to contest the fines.

Roberts said inspectors were not aware of Tubic's mental health issues. When contacted by the P.I. Team before the foreclosure, city officials appeared split over how to handle the case.

"If you're telling me we had a mentally anguished individual and that inspectors made no attempts to get at that, that can be considered," Roberts told P.I. "There will have to be some serious evidence. But if we were . . . deaf to that point, I would be willing to reconsider some of those fees."

Not much left to do


Don Schaewe, supervisor of the city's nuisance section, said he recently spoke with Tubic and that Tubic "provided a whole lot of excuses as to why he didn't comply."

"At this point," Schaewe said. "There's really not too much that would allow us to reverse those charges."

A court hearing is scheduled for Sept. 11. If the city retains ownership of the house, Tubic can remain there as a renter until the house is sold, said Andrea Rowe Richards, spokeswoman for the Department of City Development. After that, the new homeowners can decide if they want to continue renting out the house.

Tubic said he set aside $2,600 in an escrow account "to protect the estate in case I die" but didn't want to use it to pay for the parking violation.

Judge Sankovitz called the case a shame and said it demonstrates the need for judges to have authority to appoint attorneys for people involved in civil litigation.

"If you were a criminal, we'd take care of the whole problem for you, get you an attorney," he said. "But if you're involved in civil litigation - in jeopardy of losing your house or your family . . . what we do is make you go out and find your own attorney.

"If we gave people the help they needed near the beginning of their problem, their problems wouldn't snowball the way they do."


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BottleAbuser
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1888 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-07 07:25:03
August 07 2008 07:16 GMT
#2
Hah hah hah. How unfortunate for that dude.

Like they said, not much left to do. But laugh.

Well, I guess he could sue the court for ... something. There's enough laws out there that they probably broke at least a few.
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Nitrogen
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States5345 Posts
August 07 2008 07:20 GMT
#3
..........wtf
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
August 07 2008 07:26 GMT
#4
This "Ronald Roberts" is a "Richard"... if you get what I mean...

I can't believe they're actually going to try and follow through with it - it was the guy's fault but that's just immoral...
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
August 07 2008 07:40 GMT
#5
yea wht hte hell took his whoel damn house away?!?! -_- christ
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roadrunner_sc
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1220 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-07 08:59:53
August 07 2008 08:52 GMT
#6
Reminds me of that time when all those passers-by ignored the man in the middle of the street.

Sounds like the guy here had to deal with just about every misfortune you can think of. No one seemed to bother to offer help til they can take his home away too.

edit and how ironic is it that in a nation full of lawyers the man can't really find one when he really needs it?
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randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
August 07 2008 09:05 GMT
#7
Thats what happens when you ignore a fine for 4 years. What did he think the city sending him 15 notices say: "Hey if you don't pay we take your house, call here to contest this shit" was a bluff?

This is his own fault for ignoring something he should have gotten taken care of. At the very least he could have called during when he got one of those notices to find out what was happening. The only way I see him getting out of this is if his mental illness prevents him from picking up the phone and making a call. (Which is a simple thing to do and would not require his "ability to understand, remember and carry out detailed instructions,")

Although this does suck for him.
Elric
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1327 Posts
August 07 2008 09:58 GMT
#8
On August 07 2008 18:05 randombum wrote:
Thats what happens when you ignore a fine for 4 years. What did he think the city sending him 15 notices say: "Hey if you don't pay we take your house, call here to contest this shit" was a bluff?

This is his own fault for ignoring something he should have gotten taken care of. At the very least he could have called during when he got one of those notices to find out what was happening. The only way I see him getting out of this is if his mental illness prevents him from picking up the phone and making a call. (Which is a simple thing to do and would not require his "ability to understand, remember and carry out detailed instructions,")

Although this does suck for him.


Agreed.

I have just about enough faith in US law to believe that actually ejecting him from his residence would be incredibly difficult. Nevertheless, It is a good thing that the City Officials have a last resort practical threat to use.
Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
August 07 2008 11:10 GMT
#9
... My faith in humanity is down again T_T
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-07 11:21:19
August 07 2008 11:16 GMT
#10
well im going to pay off that ticket now
....

but in all seriousness; wow, it's ridiculous -
a fee for having it parked, in your own driveway; not even being used ?

Am i the only one who sees that as utter bullshit?

and holy fuck , let's take the house, something he's actually using, arguably worth 100x more than to car instead of just taking the car
( which has the fine on it ) ~ he's not even using , apparently .
logic much...?

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kpcrew
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)1071 Posts
August 07 2008 13:36 GMT
#11
and to think that diplomats with millions of dollars worth of unpaid parking fines in new york city get to get off scot free...

imagine what would happen if the government decided to punish these people as well in a similarly ridiculous fashion
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itzme_petey
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States1400 Posts
August 07 2008 13:46 GMT
#12
"Judge Sankovitz called the case a shame and said it demonstrates the need for judges to have authority to appoint attorneys for people involved in civil litigation."

no... just need better judges.



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RoC)Ninjah
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States238 Posts
August 07 2008 14:26 GMT
#13
wait why did they take a 240,000 house for a 2000 forclosure
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riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3393 Posts
August 07 2008 14:26 GMT
#14
Both are in the wrong, the city more so though.

The man didn't pay off the ticket for an unused van parked in his own driveway, but the city went overkill on him. Maybe he should've parked it in the garage or away from plain sight so the city can't pick on him on the basis of what seems like a minor offense.
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
August 07 2008 15:00 GMT
#15
Wut?
You can't have a broken car in your own driveway?
What the fuck.

What is this garbage. Let's bomb Milwauke.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24680 Posts
August 07 2008 15:18 GMT
#16
What is the law about parking a vehicle on your driveway? I don't see why it has to have plates. In fact, I'm pretty sure around here in New York you do not need to have plates on the vehicle while it's on your own driveway. If he had parked it on the street, it would be different.

I also agree that taking the house seems like a disproportionate response. Can't they penalize him in a way that is closer in value to the amount he owes them?
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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
August 07 2008 16:01 GMT
#17
What the crap, that sucks. Not even fair for that old man
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32054 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-07 16:28:18
August 07 2008 16:24 GMT
#18
On August 08 2008 00:18 micronesia wrote:
What is the law about parking a vehicle on your driveway? I don't see why it has to have plates. In fact, I'm pretty sure around here in New York you do not need to have plates on the vehicle while it's on your own driveway. If he had parked it on the street, it would be different.

I also agree that taking the house seems like a disproportionate response. Can't they penalize him in a way that is closer in value to the amount he owes them?


I'm pretty sure it has to be in your garage. I remember I was gonna buy a car before I turned 17 and not put insurance on it and keep it in the driveway, but didn't, because of that. It's gotta be garage kept, otherwise it needs plates and such.

Either way, mental anguish? Fuck that.... a little leinency for the death of his parents, OK. Do you guys have any idea how long it takes to rack up $2k in fines for that? This guy has had this situation for FOUR YEARS.

And it's pretty obvious the guy's not half as incompetent as you guys make him out to be, since he PAID HIS PROPERTY TAXES AND NEGLECTED TO PAY THE FINE. He seems to make out those directions pretty ok, but has trouble with writing a check for his fines. Puhlease...

Is the lein against his property a little excessive... maybe. But how else is the city supposed to recoup on $2k in fines? They can't just shrug it off and be like, OK! because every asshole's gonna try this.
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
August 07 2008 17:35 GMT
#19
What makes no sense is why they need a $245,000 house for a $2600 fee... I've heard of repo men... why don't they just take some furniture, or the scrap van.

And what the hell is wrong with parking an old disused van on your driveway? Like... how is that seriously a law? Too bad if your neighbour's lawn looks a bit trashy, as long as it's not toxic waste it just makes yours look better in comparison.

I mean, my neighbour's pool and screaming 11 year old kids in his backyard pisses me off, but that's not exactly against the law. What's wrong with a silent white van sitting around...

Everything about this case is stupid. The brother and mother calling in the complaint, the guy not being able to pay 50 dollars off immediately and explain he needs someone to take the van for him (unless he's legit mental, in which case any P.I. with a brain or inspector should have been able to ascertain just from talking to him for 60 seconds... And then the fact that America even has such stupid laws, and rigidly enforces them like the gates of hell will open if you let it go for the sake of an obvious misunderstanding (he has 2400 dollars, but because it's after the fact of this whole insane mess, he's not allowed to pay it instead of his house? What?)

This is why I hate news threads. They just piss me off. Unless it's about a man masturbating in some woman's hair on a plane, I don't want to hear it.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32054 Posts
August 07 2008 17:49 GMT
#20
On August 08 2008 02:35 PsycHOTemplar wrote:

And what the hell is wrong with parking an old disused van on your driveway? Like... how is that seriously a law? Too bad if your neighbour's lawn looks a bit trashy, as long as it's not toxic waste it just makes yours look better in comparison.


Quality of life. Shit like that drives down property values and makes your neighborhood look like shit. Enforcing laws like this is what keeps nice suburban areas from looking like dumpy shitholes.

There was some dumbass a few blocks away who got served with a lot of fines by the city for having a giant, non-working army truck halfway in his garage and a bunch of other junky cars strewn about his driveway. It was basically a junkyard, looked like shit and was an eyesore on the community.

What if you're trying to sell your home and prospective buyers are scared away by your neighbor who has a junked car on the front of his property to go with his 2 foot tall lawn?

And thinking about it again, probably the reason they can't send the repo dude in to claim his tv or whatever is because the city has no right to claim it. The house, however, is built within their boundaries. I'm no lawyer, but if I had to take a guess, I'm sure it's something to do with that.
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
August 07 2008 20:11 GMT
#21
that's why i have to mow my lawn !
wish it was emo so it could cut itself =/
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