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I don't mind random players, nor people trying to limit to what race they want to vs.
In most cases, people prefer play in a matchup where they are strongest in so they can climb the ladder quickly as possible, which is great for me, because I get a real decent practice out of that.
I also don't care if the guy switches from random to whatever race at the last second, it just makes it all the more satisfying to rape him afterward, knowing that you crushed the sneaky bastard's ego. 
And if I end up losing in any of these scenarios, I just brush it off, and play the next series of games possible.(Cause in most cases losing cause of bad luck is nothing to beat yourself over, or in the rare case you get outplayed, its a well deserved loss, and take it as a lesson to learn from it.)
Only losses I get pissed off about is if I make a blunder on my own terms, now that sucks shit. :|
So what I'm saying is, relax it, shouldn't come surprising people on ladders are total tight ass fucks.
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The whole practice vs. "real game" argument is redundant in itself. When you're playing practice games, you're practicing and when you're playing real games (i.e. ladder) you're practicing (in most cases, more efficiently because it teaches you to play your best when it actually matters).
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The point of a ladder is to determine relative rank, although you also get better doing it, and can compare yourself, and iCCup is one of the couple of mainstays that StarCraft now has, so it's not really the "purest" ladder.
I rescind my contention that it is ONLY to try to get to high ranks and determine who's best because it's one of the few good avenues an old game like SC has.
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I don't see what's wrong with random'ing... I'm perfectly fine with playing randoms.
Although I will say when I host games on iCCup I usually wait for the player to pick race before starting, so if they're a random player I never know that they just want random, so it's usually an awkward few moments when we're both just sitting there. <_<
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i thot this was gonna be about being random in the sense of non sequiter in conversations.
life is like a box of chocolates, you never know if you're gonna get a thread about starcraft or not.
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On August 03 2008 13:22 Ancestral wrote:
The point of a ladder is to determine relative rank, although you also get better doing it, and can compare yourself, and iCCup is one of the couple of mainstays that StarCraft now has, so it's not really the "purest" ladder.
I rescind my contention that it is ONLY to try to get to high ranks and determine who's best because it's one of the few good avenues an old game like SC has.
Thats your idea of a ladder just because other people use it to get better doesnt mean they're wrong. Some people play ladders to get better some do it to measure how good they are.
I play randoms on iccup but i admit its sort of annoying that you have to scout earlier and than find out you teched vs zerg -.-
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On August 03 2008 15:09 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2008 13:22 Ancestral wrote:
The point of a ladder is to determine relative rank, although you also get better doing it, and can compare yourself, and iCCup is one of the couple of mainstays that StarCraft now has, so it's not really the "purest" ladder.
I rescind my contention that it is ONLY to try to get to high ranks and determine who's best because it's one of the few good avenues an old game like SC has. Thats your idea of a ladder just because other people use it to get better doesnt mean they're wrong. Some people play ladders to get better some do it to measure how good they are.
I play randoms on iccup but i admit its sort of annoying that you have to scout earlier and than find out you teched vs zerg -.-
In other words, what I said.
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I think the main point with random is that it generally doesn't make a huge deal. But in certain maps on certain match-ups it can be very difficult to deal with in terms of opening vs an unknown.
As for a ladder. It is for determining your skill but it also serves to help develope your game. Every time you play in just about any setting you are developing your game as long as you are trying your best to play correctly. Also, another goal of a ladder is to obtain the highest rank possible whether you're actually as good as other people at that level or not so you can be proud and tell everyone you're a gosu B rank.
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On August 04 2008 03:23 randomKo_Orean wrote:
Valentine: There's no concrete evidence that random player always cheeses. You probably played very few vs random, and you are basing your arguments off that?
Or you could just play iCCup randoms for yourself. It doesn't matter if there's concrete evidence or not, seeing as how people do it to me alot, and it all comes down to my preference as to whether or not I want to take the risk of playing a cheeser or possibly someone who is just random? And yeah I play a fuckton of random so don't even try to play that card buddy. I have random teammates, random iCCup players, 4 leagues my team plays in where I have to play my opponent regardless of race pick (not including "fun" clanwars that can be added on top of that stack).
Valentine: There's no concrete evidence that random player always cheeses.
There's also no concrete evidence that a Zerg won't 9pool ZvP on blue storm. There's no concrete evidence that a Protoss won't FE on Longinus PvZ. There's no conrete evidence that a Terran will get Factories against an Protoss. But the chances are high enough for me to acknowledge.
You probably played very few vs random, and you are basing your arguments off that?
I've already stated that I play against a fuckton of random players, so don't try to argue something you have no fucking idea about.
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bamboo, why are you so bm all of a sudden?
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Eh I don't know -_-;;
I just kind went a little off the deep end when I hear people say that you don't play Ladder to get better.. and that it's only made for finding your own rank. I completely didn't expect anyone to back up that idea at all. So yeah I guess if I seem bm (I didn't think it looked too bad when I was writing it ' -'a) I'll edit it out.
EDIT: Yeah and I don't usually like arguing with people like this but I got a little too drawn in to the discussion apparently -a-;;
Sorry.
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People who refuse to play random are destined to suck at this game forever. They're only slightly less sad than people who only play 1 matchup or only play people with bad records.
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thedeadhaji
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a discussion becomes pointless when the op refuses to acknowledge decent arguments against his claim. Not one good reason? Really? After 4 pages?
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I don't mind no random so much, but when they ask you to pick a race and then say "no Zerg" and then "no Protoss" it's a bit much.
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On August 05 2008 03:19 randomKo_Orean wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2008 16:44 Valentine wrote:
I've already stated that I play against a fuckton of random players, so don't try to argue something you have no fucking idea about. Good job dipshit, I'm a RANDOM PLAYER, so obvious I have NO CLUE what other random players are like. No really, you really know your shit. Oh yeah, no concrete evidence? That's too bad, because the reason for my blog-bitching is players like you, making excuses why playing versus randoms sucks (and most refuse to play random players). You haven't given me one good reason why people don't like playing versus random the reasons were because: 1) They don't want to practice 2) They don't want to scout early 3) Too unpredictable 4) Cheeses too much If someone cheeses you in a tournament, are you going to say "omg cheese rego" after you lose? You are a dipshit, and you have no clue. I don't give a shit if all your clanmates were random, you are a jackass regardless.
Sorry for not replying earlier, I've been a little busy.
When I was arguing
so don't try to argue something you have no fucking idea about.
I was definately replying to this:
You probably played very few vs random, and you are basing your arguments off that?
And as far as this goes:
If someone cheeses you in a tournament, are you going to say "omg cheese rego" after you lose?
Of course not; the point I have been trying to get across was that I play plenty of random players, and I don't blame any losses or the game being any harder when I play against a random. I'm simply saying that if I know you were an actual random player (like I know you are) and not just someone who is picking random so that they can cheese me, then of course I will play you. But if I'm playing on iCCup, where I'm trying to practice and get better, the chances are quite high that I will get cheesed, thus I prefer not to play them, or ask them to choose a race.
On August 05 2008 03:19 randomKo_Orean wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2008 16:44 Valentine wrote:
I've already stated that I play against a fuckton of random players, so don't try to argue something you have no fucking idea about. Good job dipshit, I'm a RANDOM PLAYER, so obvious I have NO CLUE what other random players are like. No really, you really know your shit. Oh yeah, no concrete evidence? That's too bad, because the reason for my blog-bitching is players like you, making excuses why playing versus randoms sucks (and most refuse to play random players). You haven't given me one good reason why people don't like playing versus random
the reasons were because:
1) They don't want to practice
2) They don't want to scout early
3) Too unpredictable
4) Cheeses too muchIf someone cheeses you in a tournament, are you going to say "omg cheese rego" after you lose? You are a dipshit, and you have no clue. I don't give a shit if all your clanmates were random, you are a jackass regardless.
This part I really don't understand. First you say that you havn't found one good reason, then you put up four reasons, only one of which I have been trying to show, and that one (number four) being a completely good reason in my eyes.
Anyway I guess I'm done arguing. If you can't understand my explanation as being reasonable then there really is nothing else I can try to get into your head.
Toodles~
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just a random bitching post
TvR is so goddamn annoying to play
twice in a row, i 8scout, twice in a row, i scout him last, twice in a row, i get raped by 9pool zerglings
holy goddamn
is the only viable thing to do when you 8scout->scout someone last TvR scv ramp block?
honestly
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