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Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8109 Posts
July 26 2008 05:32 GMT
#1
So I was never really good at SC, and spent most of my earlier days (like 2000-2003, when we 1st got DSL) on money maps or UMS, and then eventually moved on to other games, only to dabble in SC once in a while. And then like 1000s others, got really back into SC when SC2 was announced, and I've been trying to play "for real" since about February. Most games I've played this year (about 200) have been against my friend genwar, who has always been better than me. I was only able to "steal" a few games from him in the beginning, and I think he has won the last like 60 games against me (even when he off-races). One cool thing I saw was looking at my BWchart (just installed it like a month ago), I see that both of our APMs steadily increased every few games (me going from like 60 to about 115-120 now, and him going from 70ish to around 200. He IS WAY FASTER/BETTER THAN ME).

Any way, the last month or 2 I started taking my games straight up on Iccup because he has not been on a lot, and I'm tired of never getting a base outside of my natural up for the whole game. I'm currently barely a D right now, 5-13.It seems that every game I win is against someone is just way way worse than me (like super-newbish). I think I'm learning a lot with each game though, and I'm hoping to be a D+(AMBITION) by the time SC2 comes out. Basically I determined that I need improvements in: base-management, timing, scouting, keeping macro up, being able to defend expansions, muta-harass better, control my units after 60 psi, and basic overall strategy (also known as EVERYTHING).

Here is a recap of my 3 games I played tonight:

Game 1:
ZvT on Python (1st game in 2 weeks actually, since I took a little break to watch E3 stuff and play a little CoD4 :\), I'm at the top and he at the bottom. Things go as normal a D level Zvt can (he FEs and I 12 hatch-into 3-hatch muta), but I fuck up twice in 1) letting his SCV scout my spire (I even knew it was coming but failed to properly block my ramp with lings) and then 2) I had a scouting Olord too close to the edge of his nat, and he killed it with marines, which really fucked up my muta-timing.

I finally get 13 mutas out (I always accidentally make like 2-4 extra mutas EVERY TIME GOD I SUCK) and move down to the right of his nat, while I burrow about 8 lings around the map as scouts (which was really just a dumb thing to do since it wastes my precious 115 APM). As I move my mutas down I also send a drone to 11 o clock to expand. As my mutas make their 1st attack at a turrent in his natural(which he was way too many for my mutas to do anything about) my lings spot his marines going north towards my expansion. I rush my mutas and whatever lings I had at my natural to defend, but because i suck so much my lings get there 1st and all die w/o taking out any marines, and my mutas are worthless to that many M/M. He then switches to SK terren and kills my natural in about 3 minutes, I GG in shame.

Game 2
ZvP on Python
I spawn at 6 he at 9. He picked random so I wasn't sure what to expect, so I played 9 pool and when my overlord spotted the nexus I transitioned into my crappy version of 9overpool, where I always forget ling speed until I have like 144 gas. My olord scouts that he went 2-gate 1 base, so I then realize that there was going to be no run-by. I expand at 12 and start pumping drones, tech to lair and make a 3rd hatchery. I forgot that I had an olord in his base for the longest time, and when I switch over I see that he is building a starport, so for god knows what reason I think its not going to be worth a damn and build a spire (NO DEN YET). His 1st goon kills my Olord, and holy shit it wasn’t the only olord of mine he got. He then saired my ass (really good sair micro btw) and got 1 more olord before my 1st hydras pop out, and then pumps more and more and expands while I sit at 2 base constantly repumping olords and hydras ( I forgot olord speed until like 12 mins in). Finally the sair harassment ends at about 15 mins in and I’m under 50 psi. I finally build up about 2 groups of hydras and a few lings (which scouted his natural not being too well defended) and so I move out and expand to 5 o clock, only to get DT harassed there at at my army. It was a classic sair-DT that I had never actually faced before (and I think I know what savior might of felt like now). About 5 minutes later he walks over my army twice and kills my natural, I GG again.

Game 3

ZvT on Python (Its hard to find non-python games on iccup, and my router won’t let me make games on SC :\)

I spawn at 6 again and the T spawns at 9. This game I made no big mistakes (and my APM was back to “normal” 118), it was just a matter of me being totally outplayed. I go 3 hatch muta and he Fes into SK terren. For some reason my mutas are not instantly destroyed and I get this false sense of empowerment as my mutas kill a few SCVs building things and about 12 marines (at the cost of 1/3 my mutas). I specifically remember 1 blunder I made when I tried hold-position micro and it failed horrible when I held position too far from the marines, and I lost about 4 mutas that way (I was reinforcing my “dominating” mutas). All the while my resources shot up and I struggled to build the essentials (Evo chamber, den, queens nest, 4th hatchery and an expo). I end up sending a drone to 5 and never actually building a hatch there. I was doing okay I guess until I forgot to get hive until like 5 mins after nest was done( same for building hydras and researching lurker).

Then he moves out, and I quickly pump some lings and put up some more sunks at my natural. He had the normal terren ball of M/M , 2 tanks, 1 vessel. I build scourges and then realize I have no lurkers, so I send my mutas over and snipe out 1 tank ( he was sieging my sunks). I then move them to my cliff and go down to my nat to morph my late as fuck lurkers, and then come back to my mutas to realize that they were too close to the cliff. I spam click back to my base but to no avail, only 1 of the 11 made it back (and with very little health). In 3 minutes I GG (only highlight of those 3 minutes would be the scourging of his 1st vessel and killing the other tank with the survivor muta and 3 others I didn’t even remember making).

So basically I suck balls at SC (but losing hard in SC a lot is still more fun than getting spawn-killed 4/5 of the time in CoD4). I think I learned some stuff today (specifically against sair/DT), but I just flat-out need a whole hell of a lot of practice. I hardly ever make it out of mid-game, and when I do I have so little experience controlling 120+ population zerg army that it’s just embarrassing. Today was my 1st day back from a 2 week break though, so I think about 3-5 games a day I can continue to improve, and maybe one day reach the coveted D+.
FYI going random is just BM!



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Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
July 26 2008 05:34 GMT
#2
If you want to make the blog a lot more interesting, add pics. It helps a lot and you can make it funny that way.

Text blogs are easier to do, but if your doing this for other people to enjoy and thus your enjoyment is highly correlated to theirs; add pics

Btw; it's a pain in the ass to do haha.
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8109 Posts
July 26 2008 05:37 GMT
#3
On July 26 2008 14:34 Salv wrote:
If you want to make the blog a lot more interesting, add pics. It helps a lot and you can make it funny that way.

Text blogs are easier to do, but if your doing this for other people to enjoy and thus your enjoyment is highly correlated to theirs; add pics

Btw; it's a pain in the ass to do haha.



I was kind of inspired by your blog to do this actually


Yeah it's late, I'm not going to do screen capture "the moments."

But if everyone just hates this blog I might have to.

THANKS FOR RAISING THE BAR SO HIGH

<3
Free Palestine
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-07-26 07:00:29
July 26 2008 06:57 GMT
#4
On July 26 2008 14:34 Salv wrote:
If you want to make the blog a lot more interesting, add pics. It helps a lot and you can make it funny that way.

Text blogs are easier to do, but if your doing this for other people to enjoy and thus your enjoyment is highly correlated to theirs; add pics

Btw; it's a pain in the ass to do haha.


o snap you're alive. someone was asking if u died

to op. Good luck with this, but you should aim higher than D+. It won't take long to reach it judging by your record atm. Maybe reach for C- or even C. I'm tryin to constantly game as well (im zerg) and hope to reach B- (nowhere even close)
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
July 26 2008 07:20 GMT
#5
Haha I doubt anyone will hate your blog.
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
July 26 2008 07:57 GMT
#6
Be sure to watch pro-game replays and especially FPVODs.

It helps if you actually enjoy watching them too since you don't need to specifically analyze them.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
July 26 2008 15:08 GMT
#7
Hi. I was the terran in the 3rd game. (-FS-Dracula) . Feel free to pm me on iccup, and we can practice more tvz. I don't mind playing a bunch of games to give you some tips etc.
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