• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:06
CEST 18:06
KST 01:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection2Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO12 Preview2herO wins GSL Code S Season 1 (2026)7
Community News
[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June0Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th150Weekly Cups (May 18-24): MaxPax wins doubles0Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League6
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.16 PTR Patch Notes may 26th My starcraft 2 changes The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued SC2 Parody - "Somebody That I Used to Troll"
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Crank Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League GSL Code S Season 2 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 528 Infection Detected Welcome to the External Content forum Mutation # 527 Hell Train
Brood War
General
Tesagi Viewer - A new era of replay watching Data analysis on 70 million replays BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ FlaShFTW vs A.Alm Grudge Match Event [BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] WB Final & LB Semis - Saturday 21:00 CEST
Strategy
Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend? Muta micro map competition [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread ZeroSpace Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How cold is too cold to be outdoors? Dating: How's your luck? Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
LNN SLEEPINGFOREST
LENION
Esportsmanship: How to NOT B…
TrAiDoS
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2909 users

Battle Report 1: The Draft

Blogs > Caller
Post a Reply
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-14 03:33:40
June 14 2008 03:31 GMT
#1
[image loading]

The Game starts fairly normally, a ZvP on Python, with the Zerg at the 9 O’clock position and the Protoss at the 6. They both go macro heavy builds, the zerg with 3 hatch FE, the protoss with forge first FE.

Then the game gets boring fast.
In the middle, there’s a little bit of intermittent muta attacking. The protoss forgot to make cannons at his main, so he lost his nexus to a group of muta and starts turtling at his nat with cannons zeals and gateways. Then the zerg player gets the not so bright idea of trying to break said turtle with a small group of hydra and muta. Oops.

After that, the zerg starts expanding to the locations at 9 and 10. More random macroing goes on, but the zerg is clearly ahead 154 supply to 134.

The zerg then proceeds to lose a huge ultraling army to a group of zeal/temp/archon. The protoss army proceeds to demolish the entire nat and main of the zerg.
Now you ask how the hell this could have happened. Gosu storms? Hardly. It can be explained by this:
[image loading]

ITS AN ISLAND EXPANSION. WHY DO YOU HAVE LURKERS AT AN ISLAND EXPANSION. WHY DO YOU HAVE SO MANY UNITS AT YOUR ISLAND EXPANSION.

However, the zerg still has 4 bases to the protoss’s 3 bases. The zerg quickly masses up a large force and drops the main with a group of hydra ultra ling defiler. The protoss manages to not only suicide 5 high templar into the angry zerg swarm, but proceeds to beat off the attack anyways with a group of zeals. Here’s probably a reason why.
[image loading]


The zerg is ahead in everything right now, but little things like this:
[image loading]

keep making him recall his entire army and give the protoss time to do things like this:
[image loading]

Yep, that’s right, the protoss went CARRIERS. The poor zerg decided the best way to kill carriers was…
A) Scourge
B) Defilers Plague/Swarm
C) Hydras piecemeal
The answer is obviously C.

And the zerg continued trying to attack protoss expansions. Like this brilliant defiler micro:
[image loading]

which would have been useful had there been more than 3 ultra left.

The zerg player proceeds to lose his armies again and again, despite being 30-40 supply up. The protoss player proceeds to walk over all of his bases, and the zerg player is forced to do an all or nothing hydra-drone attack
[image loading]

which fails miserably.

What did the zerg do wrong?

He overreacted to lone DTs/Zeals.
He ran away from a superior force.
He was way too cautious with his troops. As zerg, you should throw wave after wave until your enemy is decimated, not run and let stray units get picked off.
He also forgot to expand after his initial three expos.
He also spent wayyyy too much on defense.

This was written in 10 minutes so I apologize for the rush but I promised I would get it in today so here it goes

Apologize to HeavonEarth for making fun of you so badly. I will give you a more productive role in the next one if there is a next one.

And I know it's not very funny right now but I promised to get it in today and i had like 10 minutes to do it. Sorry it will be better next time.

Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
June 14 2008 03:47 GMT
#2
always scourge carriers unless he has sairs

if he has sairs with his cars, go hydra + swarm and play it like flash and just kill interceptors and play D and bleed him out. P spends so much money on interceptors its ridiculous.

and you gotta counter more. run the p all around, attacking expos, drawing there army there and then attacking another expo or dropping island etc... u got out macro'd which is the main issue here.

dont take the min only as ur third. take the top mains natural so u can defend it + the 12 main easilly, from 1 spot.
._.
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
1133 Posts
June 14 2008 03:55 GMT
#3
On June 14 2008 12:47 G5 wrote:
always scourge carriers unless he has sairs

if he has sairs with his cars, go hydra + swarm and play it like flash and just kill interceptors and play D and bleed him out. P spends so much money on interceptors its ridiculous.

and you gotta counter more. run the p all around, attacking expos, drawing there army there and then attacking another expo or dropping island etc... u got out macro'd which is the main issue here.

dont take the min only as ur third. take the top mains natural so u can defend it + the 12 main easilly, from 1 spot.

So what about devours as counters? Are they only backup units for the hydras or if you have the eco, they're strong?
:D
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
June 14 2008 04:21 GMT
#4
Plague + Devourers is probably the fastest Carrier killing method I know, although Plague + anything does the job pretty well :p Obviously, if you get Acid Spores on the Interceptors they'll die that much faster when you're doing as G5 suggests and playing defensively.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Maestros of the Game
15:30
Group C
Serral vs Percival
SHIN vs ShoWTimE
RotterdaM1229
IntoTheiNu 1052
ComeBackTV 791
TaKeTV 541
SteadfastSC177
IndyStarCraft 106
EnkiAlexander 76
BRAT_OK 66
LiquipediaDiscussion
OSC
13:00
King of the Hill #251
iHatsuTV 20
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1229
Rex 204
SteadfastSC 177
Ryung 168
IndyStarCraft 106
ProTech72
BRAT_OK 66
Codebar 27
UpATreeSC 6
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 22756
Calm 7734
Shuttle 1371
EffOrt 935
Mini 617
actioN 305
BeSt 253
ggaemo 250
hero 213
Sharp 72
[ Show more ]
firebathero 70
ToSsGirL 60
Leta 59
Hyun 57
Mong 56
soO 36
Free 30
sorry 25
910 25
Terrorterran 21
Shine 20
Rock 17
Sacsri 16
IntoTheRainbow 16
Movie 11
yabsab 11
Sexy 9
ajuk12(nOOB) 8
Dota 2
Gorgc6672
qojqva1754
XaKoH 457
420jenkins160
Counter-Strike
fl0m8436
byalli717
zeus246
kRYSTAL_28
Other Games
Grubby3349
singsing2629
hiko904
FrodaN749
Lowko596
Beastyqt572
Dendi435
crisheroes308
Liquid`VortiX128
B2W.Neo123
ArmadaUGS97
QueenE70
KnowMe62
Livibee61
Mew2King57
Trikslyr47
RuFF_SC220
MindelVK2
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• 3DClanTV 120
• LUISG 10
• Response 1
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 42
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• TFBlade878
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
7h 54m
Replay Cast
16h 54m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
22h 54m
Maestros of the Game
23h 24m
Clem vs Lambo
Zoun vs SKillous
Replay Cast
1d 7h
Replay Cast
1d 16h
Solar vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 22h
Grudge Match
1d 23h
FlaShFTW vs A.Alm
OSC
2 days
GSL
2 days
herO vs Rogue
Maru vs Cure
[ Show More ]
Patches Events
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
BSL
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
Maestros of the Game
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KK 2v2 League Season 1
RSL Revival: Season 5
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
SCTL 2026 Spring
WardiTV Spring 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #3
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.