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paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
June 13 2008 06:14 GMT
#21
On June 13 2008 14:40 B1nary wrote:
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On June 13 2008 14:36 Last Romantic wrote:
oh I got into a ... sort of hard college? UC Berkeley.

I'm sure it'll be difficult; I am going into it with the thought that I am not the smartest person and will have to try hard.

High school is a fucking waste of time, though.


Don't worry, it's probably not as hard as you might think ^^

... unless you're planning on getting into Haas. In that case, prepare for hell.


uhhhh no

50% acceptance rate? lol.
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radar14
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1437 Posts
June 13 2008 06:16 GMT
#22
if you get far enough down the road, there will be tests that are difficult no matter how much you study
impatience is a virtue
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 13 2008 06:20 GMT
#23
that may be true.. but that's WAY down the road... so far in undergrad nothing I've encountered has been "hard" for me.. I got a C on my calc midterm because I knew I fucked up one of the problems and it was worth 3/4 but I got everything else correct, and when I got my test back, that's exactly what happened... that problem wasn't hard, I was just lazy and didn't pay attention when the teacher did an example of a similar problem in class.

i mean for example, for this final I had today, I think I studied for approximately 6 hours... I monday I read the book for about 2.5-3 hours, Tuesday I read over the court cases we had to know, and looked at the book for another hour... yesterday I went to office hours and listened to people ask the teacher questions for about 2 hours, and that was the extent of my studying. I felt well prepared, took the test today, didn't seem too bad... I"m thinking I"ll get an A on it... if I don't, I know there was something I missed when I was studying, or perhaps I underestimated it and didn't study enough even though I thought I did... whatever the reason, I know I"ll have earned w/e grade I got on it, and I felt good about my preparation, and that's that.
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ieatkids5
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States4628 Posts
June 13 2008 06:20 GMT
#24
I get A's often without studying.
And I get A's on tests that I considered difficult. Difficult to me, as in the problems take much more thought, application, and understanding, but I'm still able to come up with the correct answer. It's just harder to do than an easy test.
I guess that means my definition of difficult is different than yours.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 13 2008 06:25 GMT
#25
true, there are different definitions of difficult. I guess I'm defining difficult like: "wow that was so hard I probably failed it because I just had no idea wtf that stuff was".

on my calc problem there were 2 problems that I initially thought were really hard, and couldn't do, and even considered just turning in the test because I thought I wouldn't be able to figure them out no matter how long I stared at the paper, but I eventually worked it out and hopefully got the right answer, in the end didn't seem too bad. so, I didn't think those problems were difficult, I just struggled for a bit to come up with the method to solve it, but I was able to think through and work it out.
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
June 13 2008 06:26 GMT
#26
On June 13 2008 14:40 B1nary wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2008 14:36 Last Romantic wrote:
oh I got into a ... sort of hard college? UC Berkeley.

I'm sure it'll be difficult; I am going into it with the thought that I am not the smartest person and will have to try hard.

High school is a fucking waste of time, though.


Don't worry, it's probably not as hard as you might think ^^

... unless you're planning on getting into Haas. In that case, prepare for hell.


Yes, Haas. Somewhat hellish. 50% ain't bad, though.
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 13 2008 06:27 GMT
#27
On June 13 2008 14:43 FuJi wrote:
I do this sometimes...or all the time. I usually do this because whenever I'm confident and feel well prepared for a test, i score low. However, having low expectations nets me 100% -_- Academic life stopped making sense after people in the top 10 ranks started scoring low on tests but still manage to pull off 4.0+ gpa's...

I think something more annoying than this is when people claim they care and study like hell to do well on the test but after a day or two, they forget everything. Maybe it's just me because I feel very strongly about this when it involves math or science classes. Especially when they plan on majoring in the subject they claim to love so much..


I think this happens WAY more in high school than in college... well I guess people who don't take college seriously, or have some bs major like psych just because "it's easy" rather than it being their passion.

But ya, in high school people are like this quite often. I guess you are saying that people who don't take academics seriously annoys you? Or... people who don't ENJOY learning a subject annoys you?
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snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-13 06:34:04
June 13 2008 06:33 GMT
#28
i have my final japanese exam in one hour

OH SHIT

time for some false modesty, hope it works and i get an A
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fight_or_flight
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States3988 Posts
June 13 2008 06:37 GMT
#29
On June 13 2008 15:33 snowbird wrote:
i have my final japanese exam in one hour

OH SHIT

time for some false modesty, hope it works and i get an A

Good luck with that.
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Dagor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany64 Posts
June 13 2008 06:54 GMT
#30
Is psychology really that easy ? When i was an biology undergrad we had courses like biopsychology together with some psychology students and while it wasn't the most difficult course i ever had you had to know quite a ,lot neurobiology for that one.
I always thought that easy subjects are more something like literature or philosophy, because you just need some brain, but don't really have to work.
Oh well, cell biochemistry finals in half an hour -_-;;
LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
June 13 2008 06:55 GMT
#31
I don't think what you're talking about it really false modesty; It's more like an attempt at modesty but just comes off as arrogant.

I think the term "false" modesty is a bit contradictory because by definition modesty is all about appearance and manner. You can't appear to be modest without actually being modest.
Zalfor
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States1035 Posts
June 13 2008 06:57 GMT
#32
i'm usually honest too

"i never studied at all"

<_< yea.
555, kthxbai
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
June 13 2008 07:03 GMT
#33
On June 13 2008 15:54 Dagor wrote:
Is psychology really that easy ? When i was an biology undergrad we had courses like biopsychology together with some psychology students and while it wasn't the most difficult course i ever had you had to know quite a ,lot neurobiology for that one.
I always thought that easy subjects are more something like literature or philosophy, because you just need some brain, but don't really have to work.
Oh well, cell biochemistry finals in half an hour -_-;;

None of them are really easy. Philosophy won't give you much of a work load, but your head is definitely going to hurt.
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Jank
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States308 Posts
June 13 2008 07:14 GMT
#34
I hate people who whine just because they suck at test taking. I honestly barely ever study, am vocal about it if asked, and usually beat the majority of the class grade wise. No they are probably not being modest or lying to you, they just don't suck at life. Why get angry at people who have natural ability, if you have to work harder for your B+ than I did for my A then work even harder and get an A+ if you care so much.
"You don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day." - Michael Parenti
Blind
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States2528 Posts
June 13 2008 08:12 GMT
#35
On June 13 2008 16:03 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2008 15:54 Dagor wrote:
Is psychology really that easy ? When i was an biology undergrad we had courses like biopsychology together with some psychology students and while it wasn't the most difficult course i ever had you had to know quite a ,lot neurobiology for that one.
I always thought that easy subjects are more something like literature or philosophy, because you just need some brain, but don't really have to work.
Oh well, cell biochemistry finals in half an hour -_-;;

None of them are really easy. Philosophy won't give you much of a work load, but your head is definitely going to hurt.
Seconded. I'm a philosophy major and that's how I view it, too. This quarter, I had 3 philosophy classes:
Philosophy of Mind - a midterm, a final, and one 5-page essay. 2 books.
History of Political Philosophy - three 5-page essays. 3 books.
Logic, Second Course - 2 sets of logic problems weekly. Two midterms, one final.

So it really isn't that much work. Logic isn't a typical philosophy class in that it you actually get weekly homework, rather than a few essays. But logic was kind of like a math class anyway. If you prefer less but harder work, then you might like philosophy... (although I could just be biased and trying to make my major seem harder than it is).
glassmazarin
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden158 Posts
June 13 2008 08:26 GMT
#36
seriously, you cant just say that there isnt hard tests.

i dont know bout you, but where i study different doctors/professors are known to have different difficulties on their tests. ofcourse there is some sort of difficulty distribution where tests out in the distribution tail is extremely hard..
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 13 2008 08:35 GMT
#37
On June 13 2008 16:14 Therapy wrote:
I hate people who whine just because they suck at test taking. I honestly barely ever study, am vocal about it if asked, and usually beat the majority of the class grade wise. No they are probably not being modest or lying to you, they just don't suck at life. Why get angry at people who have natural ability, if you have to work harder for your B+ than I did for my A then work even harder and get an A+ if you care so much.


no that's not it at all, lol... I just finished my 3rd quarter at UCSD and 2 of them I've gotten 4.0, and the other one I got a 3.6 ... I'm not whining about having to work harder than other people, I don't work harder than a lot of people, but I'm not one to claim I don't work at all... I feel like the amount I work is sufficient to get me the grades I get, and I'm not going to bs anyone to say "well I dunno how I did, maybe I'll get a B" or something.. if I think I worked hard, I'm going to say I'm getting an A, because I feel if I work hard, I should get it, if I don't I'll be disappointed in myself.

it's just that a lot of people do those kind of things because of some kind of insecurity they have with themselves, or they just like being stupid and pretending they don't know their own abilities, either way it annoys me.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
Zalfor
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States1035 Posts
June 13 2008 08:40 GMT
#38
l.o.l.

=)
555, kthxbai
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
June 13 2008 08:51 GMT
#39
On June 13 2008 17:26 glassmazarin wrote:
seriously, you cant just say that there isnt hard tests.

i dont know bout you, but where i study different doctors/professors are known to have different difficulties on their tests. ofcourse there is some sort of difficulty distribution where tests out in the distribution tail is extremely hard..


ok well... can you tell me how a test can be HARD ? I mean, let's forget about some crazy theoretical or w/e the fuck mathematicians or physicians do in labs or whatever.. nothing insanely complicated like that gets taught at undergrad levels. but seriously, (and I'm mainly just talking about undergrad stuff here...) how can something really be hard in and of itself?

i really refuse to accept that something is inherently difficult... I believe that if you have basic skills necessary, aren't an idiot, and pay attention in class / study on your own... any test on any subject taught in the undergrad level should NOT be difficult.

my roommate complains to me sometimes like "oh engineering is so much harder than poli sci" but that in itself seems stupid to me. people who go into engineering ENJOY doing that stuff... they've presumably taken tons of math classes, are passionate about the subject, so how can it be hard? for example... I would struggle in engineering classes because I don't have the math background, or interest enough in the subject to dedicate to learning it... the same as my roommate doesn't have the skills or interest necessary to do well in Poli Sci classes. BUT, he has the passion and skills for engineering, so it should be easy IF he legitimately puts in the effort... obviously if you half ass it or lie to yourself about your effort, something may SEEM hard, but if you honestly give it your best effort and it still seems hard, then there's something wrong with what you did.

honestly, and I'm not close minded and unaccepting of admitting I am mistaken, but if anybody can provide some solid arguments on how something pre-graduate level can be extremely difficult in and of itself, I'd like to hear it.
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
5HITCOMBO
Profile Joined March 2006
Japan2239 Posts
June 13 2008 09:05 GMT
#40
If you've never had a hard test in college, that's a personal thing.

Either you're the greatest genius ever to grace your campus or you haven't had a teacher who gives hard tests. Believe me, they're out there.

Did it ever occur to you that having a passion for something and having the capacity for something might be two different things?

Also, social science tests are not hard by nature, just like science and math essays are not hard by nature. There's less critical thinking to be done in social science tests as opposed to the essays, just like there's less critical thinking to be done in a science or math essay as opposed to a test.

I mean, have you ever thought about why math and science majors fail?
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