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On May 12 2008 02:23 d1v wrote:
Guys, please don't flame him unnecessarily. I would like to see the replays as well, but I fully respect the decision made by the TL.net staff, since they just want the best for the TSL, which also consists of having good relations to your sponsors.
I apologize if anyone thinks i am disrespecting TL or Razer, that was totally not my intention. On the contrary, I've only brought this up because I feel strongly that not releasing replays does more harm than good to TL and Razer.
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On May 12 2008 02:42 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2008 02:23 d1v wrote:
Guys, please don't flame him unnecessarily. I would like to see the replays as well, but I fully respect the decision made by the TL.net staff, since they just want the best for the TSL, which also consists of having good relations to your sponsors. However, I just recently saw, that some Chinese league (PLU or something?) has maps, where the fog of war is partially removed in the beginning, to reveal said "PLU" letters. I think this has potential and could be considered for the next TSL, no? Nice idea actually. Fill the replays with razer icons and put their logo on the map tiles themself (like in pringles?) and then they'll be as good as vods for adverts. I'd forgotten about that. 
i thought those logos on the map tiles or whatever were just video overlays O_O didnt know you could put them on the tiles like that? -_-a
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On May 12 2008 02:53 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I couldn't disagree more with the OP. With vods you go to the Razer-TSL site, you stare at a backdrop that has Razer advertisements on it and you generally look at Razer over and over. If you dl a replay you get perhaps half the advertisement and only once. They gave 10k more dollars. If they asked that the staff end every post with "Razer" like a signature they wouldn't be asking too much.
Please. Show some mental fortitude and realize the world goes beyond your limited and personal "needs." Replays would be nice, but we cant have em. Move on.
Absolutely agree with inc. There is a reason why the Korean leagues do not release their replays as well.
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On May 12 2008 03:04 gusbear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2008 02:23 d1v wrote:
Guys, please don't flame him unnecessarily. I would like to see the replays as well, but I fully respect the decision made by the TL.net staff, since they just want the best for the TSL, which also consists of having good relations to your sponsors. I apologize if anyone thinks i am disrespecting TL or Razer, that was totally not my intention. On the contrary, I've only brought this up because I feel strongly that not releasing replays does more harm than good to TL and Razer.
When you watch a replay the viewing experience is so very different from a VOD for various reasons.
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I don't get why so many people are complaining about no replays. I think the staff made it pretty clear that they won't be released and I doubt arguing will change anything.
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With vods you go to the Razer-TSL site, you stare at a backdrop that has Razer advertisements on it and you generally look at Razer over and over. If you dl a replay you get perhaps half the advertisement and only once.
Well, imagine if the replays were available on the Razer TSL page only (meaning fu@GG.net ) you'd have the same amount of advertisements. If you incorporated the logo within the fog of war and maybe add an additional logo on the map, it probably would equal the VODs. Anyways, this is a huge amount of work to do and therefore, I cannot blame the TL.net staff for going for the easier solution.
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On May 12 2008 03:17 Schnake wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2008 03:04 gusbear wrote:On May 12 2008 02:23 d1v wrote:
Guys, please don't flame him unnecessarily. I would like to see the replays as well, but I fully respect the decision made by the TL.net staff, since they just want the best for the TSL, which also consists of having good relations to your sponsors. I apologize if anyone thinks i am disrespecting TL or Razer, that was totally not my intention. On the contrary, I've only brought this up because I feel strongly that not releasing replays does more harm than good to TL and Razer. When you watch a replay the viewing experience is so very different from a VOD for various reasons.
It can be subjectively argued whether vods or replays are better for the viewer, but one thing is for sure, having the choice of both is better than one.
But this isn't my point, I am arguing that the TSL gains a lot more exposure if they release reps as well and they should not think of it as a hindrance to their investment. I believe it is a win-win situation for both TSL (more exposure) and the viewers (no more whining about no replays).
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On May 12 2008 03:21 d1v wrote:Show nested quote +With vods you go to the Razer-TSL site, you stare at a backdrop that has Razer advertisements on it and you generally look at Razer over and over. If you dl a replay you get perhaps half the advertisement and only once. Well, imagine if the replays were available on the Razer TSL page only (meaning fu@GG.net ) you'd have the same amount of advertisements. If you incorporated the logo within the fog of war and maybe add an additional logo on the map, it probably would equal the VODs. Anyways, this is a huge amount of work to do and therefore, I cannot blame the TL.net staff for going for the easier solution.
NO
you would have the same amount once. Whereas with vods EACH TIME you view them you get those advertisements. Just like I said in my post...
And you are talking about editing in a logo in the fog of war and the map? Do you know what it would take to edit that in to a replay? You have no idea do you? I'm seeing a trend...
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you would have the same amount once. Whereas with vods EACH TIME you view them you get those advertisements. Just like I said in my post...
Go to youtube.com, they're up there anyways, and it's not like that small Razer logo on the top left is really a viable ad..
And you are talking about editing in a logo in the fog of war and the map? Do you know what it would take to edit that in to a replay? You have no idea do you? I'm seeing a trend...
You apparently didn't understand what I was talking about. It's not edited into the replay of course. The PLU league (or whatever it is) uses the standard maps, but some of the FOW is removed, so you'll see the PLU sign.
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I just can't understand why the replays would be so important? There are sooo many replays of these players in all sorts of tournaments, why do you guys need those? You got the VOD, it's not that bad. You CAN'T have everything. T_T
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1/5.. besides vods are more exciting 
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USA29055 Posts
On May 12 2008 04:26 d1v wrote:Show nested quote +you would have the same amount once. Whereas with vods EACH TIME you view them you get those advertisements. Just like I said in my post... Go to youtube.com, they're up there anyways, and it's not like that small Razer logo on the top left is really a viable ad.. Show nested quote +And you are talking about editing in a logo in the fog of war and the map? Do you know what it would take to edit that in to a replay? You have no idea do you? I'm seeing a trend... You apparently didn't understand what I was talking about. It's not edited into the replay of course. The PLU league (or whatever it is) uses the standard maps, but some of the FOW is removed, so you'll see the PLU sign.
oh ok. So have them replay the games and hopefully get the same results with maps they edited in enough advertisements that perhaps razer wont mind that TL.net after getting the money decided to back out on a signed contract and rework it based on the whim of some fucking random german in a blog?
Get-fucking-real.
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No shit replays are important, I can put them in my folder and watch the BO, and how they react, and catergorize then which ever way I like with only 50 mB of space.
VoDs? How the fuck do I sort them, let alone getting massive storage used up on my computer, it's just so much more clumsy than replays.
I fully understand the commercial reasons for VoD and the secrecy of player's builds but traditionally, a foriegn BW tournament has been handing out replays. WWI and Blizzcon has all the replays released, for instance. A tournament is a fantastic way of getting replays because every top notch players' replay are all compacted together and it's something we cannot resist.
Sure the op is bit uneducated on the matter but WTF are you guys thinking flaming him in his own blog. It's his place, like his idea, go for it, don't like it, GTFO.
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oh I prefer to flame people in their own home  I'm awesome that way. Who are you to defend him in HIS OWN BLOG? Let him have the chance to defend himself rofllflfl
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On May 12 2008 03:29 gusbear wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2008 03:17 Schnake wrote:On May 12 2008 03:04 gusbear wrote:On May 12 2008 02:23 d1v wrote:
Guys, please don't flame him unnecessarily. I would like to see the replays as well, but I fully respect the decision made by the TL.net staff, since they just want the best for the TSL, which also consists of having good relations to your sponsors. I apologize if anyone thinks i am disrespecting TL or Razer, that was totally not my intention. On the contrary, I've only brought this up because I feel strongly that not releasing replays does more harm than good to TL and Razer. When you watch a replay the viewing experience is so very different from a VOD for various reasons. It can be subjectively argued whether vods or replays are better for the viewer, but one thing is for sure, having the choice of both is better than one. But this isn't my point, I am arguing that the TSL gains a lot more exposure if they release reps as well and they should not think of it as a hindrance to their investment. I believe it is a win-win situation for both TSL (more exposure) and the viewers (no more whining about no replays).
Only problem with that is people like me would be least interested in the VoDs and rather have soembody compile a .rar folder of replays for me.
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On May 12 2008 06:56 {88}iNcontroL wrote:oh I prefer to flame people in their own home I'm awesome that way. Who are you to defend him in HIS OWN BLOG? Let him have the chance to defend himself rofllflfl
I am merely saying you should not get drunk and puke over other people's lawn for amusement, this point should be clear.
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Uh.. if that person was standing in their lawn barking "HEY, I'm a dumb fucking person!" I'd walk over, drunk or sober, and chat with em about it. If I puke at the same time so be it. Worse things have happened in lawn or not.
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On May 12 2008 07:01 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Uh.. if that person was standing in their lawn barking "HEY, I'm a dumb fucking person!" I'd walk over, drunk or sober, and chat with em about it. If I puke at the same time so be it. Worse things have happened in lawn or not.
If that's the case I would not waste my time with it. But if you have fun rolling in mud with the pigs, so be it.
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Have you ever rolled in mud with pigs? I haven't but I could imagine it being a zesty, youthful endeavor worthy of discussion. I was recently visiting a Zoo in Austin Texas and I saw some pigs there. They were fucking HAPPY. I'd love to roll around with em in mud or something alternately cleaner. What about you?
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