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im totally torn apart. I feel that there's a God that loves us, my mind tells me different. For the last few years, the thought of becoming a priest was always in the back of my mind coz the christianity thing felt so REAL for me. I was pretty sure I felt that 'calling' as they call it.
Anyways, I always think "what if there is no god, and i become a priest, gg life."
To say it in short, my thoughs were that the good feeling Christians get when they are related to God, is the feeling of accepting themselves, allowing them to love themselves because "if God loves me, how can i not love myself?"
We can only be happy if we love and accept ourselves, but if you do it on your own (without the God in the equation), the society often treats you as self-centered and all other bad words i dont know in english. So, right now, thats my interpretation of religion.
Anyways, almost every day the thought of becoming a priest comes to my head (even with the girl in the picture) and I keep making rationalizations to make it go away. Right now, these are the reasons I dont believe in God:
1. Many people say "If God loves us, how can he let inocent people die." I dont care about that. If the whole religion thing is true, it really doesnt matter what happens on this earth. If an innocent child dies, it goes to heaven, so what more can we ask? so the child is OK.
An other thing is bothering me however. If God loves us 1000X more than a father loves his child, how can he let any of us go to hell? Why doesnt he bother to tell us we're going in the wrong direction?
People might say, its all in the bible, read it, its up to you to make the decision. But is it?
If you see your child about to fall from a tree, and you said to him that its dangerous to climb trees, would you say to him "Its up to you to listen to me.". No, you wouldnt. You would jump, scream, and grab him, hug him and tell him again not to do it anymore.
None of us wants to go to hell. Those who live their lives in a way that will reserve them a ticket in hell certainly dont do it on purpose i.e. to get to hell. They dont believe in hell. They are only trying to be happy. So is it really our fault that the word of God wasnt interperted well enough to us? Is it so hard for God to send an angel to each of us and say "look dude, dont do that shit anymore, you'll end up badly. Be good, God really loves you and wants you to be good."
What ever happened to that good shepard story: a sheep strays away and the shepard comes, grabs her, puts her on his shoulders and takes her to safety. he doesnt say to the sheep "didnt you read the manual?! It's your fault, burn in hell!" If god is so powerful and smart, then we are nothing but sheep, and we need to be directed the right way.
2. People often say, God gave his sons life for you, what more can we ask//why are you ungrateful?
Well, Jesus is not dead, he was dead for 3 days. He came to earth, told a few stories, went thru a torture that btw millions of people get thru every day. But those people die for real, he came back to life. thats ez.
If i could change it, i would make jesus NOT die. I would only make god send an angel to each of us. So what if jesus died, majority doesnt believe it anyway. Or is that the whole point? Would it be boring for God if every one of us got saved? Would it be imba? is there not enough room in heaven so some simply have to fail the tests?
(If there are people who would like to discuss this more, plz bookmark the thread so you dont forget, blogs get cluttered up fast.)
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dont worry, there is no god fortunately, so you dont have to think about these silly things.
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
#1
If you get to the point in your religious field trip that you are happy for innocent babies when they die, then you need to get out of that religion ASAP. There is NOTHING good about dying, especially when it's children. Doesn't your brain set off a signal for you, something like, "THIS IS ALL BULLSHIT", when a religion brings you to feel your life here is nothing but preparation, or a waiting room, for your life with god in heaven? What a depressing thing to believe.
# 2
Well, it's not like Jesus was a magic potion and when he died we all were healed. I think it was just supposed to symbolize his love for us. However, I think an all powerful, all knowing god could come up with a better way to let people know he loves us besides torturing and mutilating his only child. o_o.....
Anyway, being a priest wouldn't be too bad. I mean, how hard can life be when all you do is re-summarize the same sermons year after year? Also exploiting the average christian for their money can be quite rewarding. Also, dare I even mention the newest hobby of modern day priests? Enjoy yourself.
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The strongest human instinct is to protect oneself from death. If god made humans, why would he give us such fear of death?
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Spenguin
Australia3316 Posts
On March 20 2008 22:15 Snet wrote:
# 2
Well, it's not like Jesus was a magic potion and when he died we all were healed. I think it was just supposed to symbolize his love for us. However, I think an all powerful, all knowing god could come up with a better way to let people know he loves us besides torturing and mutilating his only child. o_o.....
Anyway, being a priest wouldn't be too bad. I mean, how hard can life be when all you do is re-summarize the same sermons year after year? Also exploiting the average christian for their money can be quite rewarding. Also, dare I even mention the newest hobby of modern day priests? Enjoy yourself.
That is why not everyone can be priests I LOL'd though.
I get the same feeling, but mine is where the f is God, although cynicism does take the load off of the mental baggage.
So for you, yeah go ahead be a priest,who the f will stop you? God? If you want to feel closer to a being that the human mind has accepted to answer all things unanswerable, go ahead. It will make you fill at peace with yourself, I get the feeling when helping someone out, although, no one wants to be helped anymore 
GOOD LUCK!
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@snet
its a childish post.
I dont know how much of christianity you know, but i for example, read the bible, went to church for a long time. I really tried to cover all the angles of the game. but i found this thing that bugs me.
You on the other hand, simply reject the basics of the religion -- just because.
Its not the right approach imo. You need to try to understand something before deciding if its good or not.
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
That's a very common way of handling someone who doesn't believe your religion.
"You don't know as much as me!"
I was actually a Christian for 15 years, with a very religious family. I've read the Bible almost 3 times in my life, completely. In addition to regular church, I went to private Christian schools up until 9th grade, and youth group every Sunday where we spent hours just memorizing Bible verses.
And yes, I can easily understand how not enjoying the death of little babies is very childish; my deepest apologies, Reloaded.
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On March 20 2008 22:10 MarklarMarklar wrote:
dont worry, there is no god fortunately, so you dont have to think about these silly things.
/agree
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Don't worry, God (should he exist) sure doesn't love you after such a silly blog entry. Problem solved.
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United States22883 Posts
On March 20 2008 22:51 Snet wrote:
And yes, I can easily understand how not enjoying the death of little babies is very childish; my deepest apologies, Reloaded.
This is the best of all possible worlds!
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On March 20 2008 21:50 niteReloaded wrote:
im totally torn apart. I feel that there's a God that loves us, my mind tells me different. For the last few years, the thought of becoming a priest was always in the back of my mind coz the christianity thing felt so REAL for me. I was pretty sure I felt that 'calling' as they call it.
Anyways, I always think "what if there is no god, and i become a priest, gg life."
Well it all comes down to what kind of priest you'd like to become.
- The action priest
The one that runs around on battlefields giving people the last goodbye words in their last minutes of unbaerable pain
- The africanized priest in africa
The one that builds up something, cares for the poor folkes that have nothing or lost everything
- The enforcer priest
The guy that just walks around looking to pull people to his religion and starts discussions that are not helping at all right at the moment
- the shield priest
Basicaly the guy that just defends his relligion at any given moment and is more of a servant to the church than to god.
- the ninja priest
doesn't exist but would be kickass in my opinion
- the white village white priest / swell priest
All he does is repeat the same stuff for 50 years over and over, thinks he's so hip because he finaly caught up to the latest trends and thinks he reached everyone now because of his "swellness"
- the exorcist priest
Constantly on acid, has lost his connection to god but keeps killing evil spirits to pay for cigarettes and alkohole
- the sleeping-monster priest
The one that just is a priest, noone gives much attention to him but when shit starts to rain he kicks a special coffin in the church followed by a combination of precisely pronounced amens and then takes out of the magically unlocked coffin a gun so badass everyone goes "woahhh!"
- the priest with no license
Bends history constantly to make it sound cooler. Talks to dead people, talks to god, sometimes is god and of course makes use of the phrase "god would want us to..." followed by something he would definetly end up in hell if there was a god.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
if you are going to have a god, make him love you at least.
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On March 21 2008 00:15 Jayson X wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2008 21:50 niteReloaded wrote:
im totally torn apart. I feel that there's a God that loves us, my mind tells me different. For the last few years, the thought of becoming a priest was always in the back of my mind coz the christianity thing felt so REAL for me. I was pretty sure I felt that 'calling' as they call it.
Anyways, I always think "what if there is no god, and i become a priest, gg life." - the ninja priest doesn't exist but would be kickass in my opinion - the exorcist priest Constantly on acid, has lost his connection to god but keeps killing evil spirits to pay for cigarettes and alkohole
hahahahaha..
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Go pick up the book, The God Delusion, by Richard Dawkins.
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It is not regarded selfish to not believe in god where I live. You can be a spiritual person and support other people without beliving in god. There is no need in giving up on the big questions without religion.
On the subject of hell. Many christians don't believe in hell. They can be good without fearing gods punishment. I don't like the concept of hell. There are many good people and their motivition of being true doesn't come from fear.
A christian god doesn't interfere directly in peoples lives. Adam and Eve lived in paradise they were protected and sheltered by god. Thats why they didn't know good/evil and responsibility.
We are not in the garden. Shit happens to us. The gift we have gotten to deal with this live is freedom and responsibility. Learn good from evil that is our faith. If god would protect us from everything we would lose our freedom and responsibilty because we wouldn't have to deal with everything.
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
Trick question. Assumption of existence of GOD is a prerequisite. Pass.
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The first problem was a pretty big problem in medieval philosophy. Some philosophers said that evil was caused by the fall (Adam's sin). Some even said that some evil is simply without cause. It gets even uglier if you add the problem of predestination. Augustine believed that you're predestined to go to hell or heaven even before you're born. If God knows everything, and can never be wrong, he knows where you'll end up, and you can't change that shit or He would be wrong, so yeah.
There's tons of problems with Christianity. If you ask me, it makes for a very bad view of the world, and your case is a very good example. You pose questions to which no one has a satisfying answer. My advice: look for something better, christianity is really too outdated, people are too critical and curious these days, the 'God works in mysterious ways' thingie is not at all satisfying anymore.
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"- the exorcist priest
Constantly on acid, has lost his connection to god but keeps killing evil spirits to pay for cigarettes and alkohole" -best.
anyways, there is no god.
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I love how the op is the only one questioning anything, everyone else is just full of themselves.
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United States24680 Posts
I don't think confusion about whether or not God exists necessarily needs to be a road block for becoming a Priest. You can do good things or bad things as a Priest, whether or not God exists. It isn't necessarily a waste if you guess wrong.
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