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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-06 04:34:33
March 06 2008 04:33 GMT
#1
Would someone PLEASE teach me how to fucking ZvP. I am honestly considering not playing the fucking matchup anymore. I haven't won a single fucking ZvP in about a month, and everything from 1gate core to FUCKING SCOUT RUSH HAS FUCKING BEATEN ME. SOMEONE TELL ME HOW THE FUCK TO WIN ZVP.


ps: lulz
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ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
cava
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States1035 Posts
March 06 2008 04:36 GMT
#2
Don't be bad.
cava!
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
March 06 2008 04:38 GMT
#3
Hey, fuck you asshole!

Seriously though, I have never felt as much rage at this fucking game as about a minute ago, I slammed my keyboard, dislodging a few keys, before snapping a few pens in half and throwing someone across the room.
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Bond(i2)
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada926 Posts
March 06 2008 04:38 GMT
#4
take a day off then go play zvps somewhere other than iccup where there isnt much pressure... you're prolly too angry to win atm
roses are red violets are blue, Im schitzophrenic and so am i
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
March 06 2008 04:38 GMT
#5
Hey man I know your pain! Lol when I played a lot 2 years ago I was an ok player and people where all like Z has the atvantage at lower levels but I always could never be that good against them. Hell though I just started an ICCUP account not to long ago and im like 1-9...the game is SO different and everyone plays different and my old builds suck now! Hell I don't really even know the new maps well and sometimes I get into a game and I have never played the map before heh. Thats why SC is so awesome though because of its evolution. You just need to find why you are losing and get into a groove and you should be fine.
Never Knows Best.
MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
March 06 2008 04:39 GMT
#6
COME MY CHILD I WILL TAKE YOU UNDER MY ZvP WING.

my ZvT and ZvZ wings are kind of broken/half retarded.


First what build and unit combinations do you usually use? And if you search for chills vods on ZvP here they will help you a lot.
<3's Mani and Seraphim, thx for the second chance. TSL Name: TSL-mSLeGenD
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-06 04:39:43
March 06 2008 04:39 GMT
#7
msg me on iccup: guX

edit: mafioso scum
Teamliquidian townie
kdog3683
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States916 Posts
March 06 2008 04:41 GMT
#8
shallow[bay] you play d2 correct?
Multiply your efforts.
Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
March 06 2008 04:42 GMT
#9
whoa, PvZ is probably my worst mu, maybe I should play you sometime :D
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
March 06 2008 04:47 GMT
#10
Sec, in middle of game, I'll answer in a moment
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
ATeddyBear
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Canada2843 Posts
March 06 2008 04:48 GMT
#11
hold lurker at potential expos
Professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world’s first analrapist.
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
March 06 2008 04:49 GMT
#12
I know the feeling, as soon as i see their fucking storms fry the entire map i feel like putting my fist through the wall.
We make signature, then defense it.
Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
March 06 2008 04:49 GMT
#13
Teach me TvZ. I'm too lazy to control more than 4 groups of units.
~o~ I have returned
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
March 06 2008 04:50 GMT
#14
On March 06 2008 13:47 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Sec, in middle of game, I'll answer in a moment


alt+tab while SC'ing, that's gosu man.
We make signature, then defense it.
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
March 06 2008 04:50 GMT
#15
Msg me for awesome games involving 1 gate zeal to 4 stargate scouts
^-^
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20019 Posts
March 06 2008 04:50 GMT
#16
12 hat 11 pool 13 hat -> double gas -> double evo -> double expo -> MASS ling contain -> skip lair -> patrol potential expos -> 5/3 3/3 ultra/ling win
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
March 06 2008 04:55 GMT
#17
9 pool speedlings on open ground maps is a very good Zerg opening against Toss. You need to have some degree of multitasking skill though in order to not fall behind in macro while you harass the shit out of his base.

I have a very noob PvZ. (My main race is Z) but I'd be willing to play you. I'm sure it would better both of our skills in the MU. So if you're interested let me know by pming me on here.
Not bad for a cat toy.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
March 06 2008 05:04 GMT
#18
Well if you just want to win some ZvPs 3 hatch ling will win a good 75% of games C+ and below.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
March 06 2008 05:07 GMT
#19
On March 06 2008 13:50 grobo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2008 13:47 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Sec, in middle of game, I'll answer in a moment


alt+tab while SC'ing, that's gosu man.


He paused for a while :p

Quick question before I resume my woes:
If someone joins my 1v1 D game and I don't notice he's D-, and he asks for re after, does that count as noob bashing?
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
ATeddyBear
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Canada2843 Posts
March 06 2008 05:09 GMT
#20
only if you enjoy it
Professional twice over - an analyst and a therapist. The world’s first analrapist.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
March 06 2008 05:19 GMT
#21
On March 06 2008 14:09 ATeddyBear wrote:
only if you enjoy it


Well it's a chance to win a ZvP, so of course i do
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
MeriaDoKk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Chile1726 Posts
March 06 2008 05:20 GMT
#22
then is noob bashing

lol at your profile
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
March 06 2008 05:21 GMT
#23
On March 06 2008 13:39 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
COME MY CHILD I WILL TAKE YOU UNDER MY ZvP WING.

my ZvT and ZvZ wings are kind of broken/half retarded.


First what build and unit combinations do you usually use? And if you search for chills vods on ZvP here they will help you a lot.




I normally use:

Chill's 4hatch before gas -> 3base 5hatch lurkerling against FE
12hatch11pool13hatch into whatever the fuck i feel like at the moment vs 2gate and 1gatecore

needless to say, i lose a lot against 2gate and 1gate core
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
March 06 2008 05:27 GMT
#24
Chill's 4hatch before gas -> 3base 5hatch lurkerling against FE

This build fucking destroys me
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
March 06 2008 05:28 GMT
#25
reps ^_^
A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
March 06 2008 05:34 GMT
#26
Your ZvT sucks too
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
March 06 2008 05:38 GMT
#27
On March 06 2008 14:07 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2008 13:50 grobo wrote:
On March 06 2008 13:47 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Sec, in middle of game, I'll answer in a moment


alt+tab while SC'ing, that's gosu man.


He paused for a while :p

Quick question before I resume my woes:
If someone joins my 1v1 D game and I don't notice he's D-, and he asks for re after, does that count as noob bashing?

No; "noob-bashing" refers to when you proactively seek out noobs to stomp.

Oh, and just go 12 expo 11 pool, 15 (?) hatch, and just macro like an asshole.

I've seen this odd hydra timing attack that hits the P just before storm finishes so they can't hold their choke if the P FEs.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity." - Sigmund Freud
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
March 06 2008 05:47 GMT
#28
On March 06 2008 14:34 A3iL3r0n wrote:
Your ZvT sucks too


I've been working on that, don't worry
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Reflex
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada703 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-06 06:09:19
March 06 2008 06:08 GMT
#29
I, Reflex], valiantly offer myself to be your P training partner and mass gaming bud starting tomorrow.
Deal?
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 06 2008 06:19 GMT
#30
play me lol

You will suddenly find you are better than you thought
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
ulszz
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Jamaica1787 Posts
March 06 2008 07:07 GMT
#31
when you figure out msg me
everliving, everfaithful, eversure
MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
March 06 2008 07:21 GMT
#32
On March 06 2008 14:21 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2008 13:39 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
COME MY CHILD I WILL TAKE YOU UNDER MY ZvP WING.

my ZvT and ZvZ wings are kind of broken/half retarded.


First what build and unit combinations do you usually use? And if you search for chills vods on ZvP here they will help you a lot.




I normally use:

Chill's 4hatch before gas -> 3base 5hatch lurkerling against FE
12hatch11pool13hatch into whatever the fuck i feel like at the moment vs 2gate and 1gatecore

needless to say, i lose a lot against 2gate and 1gate core


Hmm, what you need to do is scout fast so you know how to adapt, i play from like 3 main builds, depending on where and who i'm playing, either Overpool 12h 11p or 9pool 13hatch. The key to zerg is the ability to adapt, you need to scout fast to decide how your going to play, i usually sned my 10th drone to scout, so when my pool or first hatch finishes i know what i am expecting, so now i can decide if i want to take another expo (vs an FE toss) Or switch to a 3hatch tech form, or whatever i feel necessary.

The key is to go in with really no set plan, just a basic build, then you adapt to what he did and progress your game from there. Most of the time i have intentions to 5hatch, especially if he fast expands, but if he doesn't that doesn't mean i lose, it only means i need to adapt my play accordingly.

Also identifying map positioning and possible strategy's based on position you must keep in mind, for example if i get close proximity vs Toss on Python, i won't put it past him to reaver me early on, and they shouldn't put it past me to go 2hatch tech into mutas for the potential to end the game fast. But i don't really like all in strats and i haven't perfected a transition from 2hatch mutas into macro, without doing a significant amount of damage.

If you would like i can post some ZvP reps of mine.
<3's Mani and Seraphim, thx for the second chance. TSL Name: TSL-mSLeGenD
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
March 06 2008 08:10 GMT
#33
On March 06 2008 16:21 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2008 14:21 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On March 06 2008 13:39 MoNKeYSpanKeR wrote:
COME MY CHILD I WILL TAKE YOU UNDER MY ZvP WING.

my ZvT and ZvZ wings are kind of broken/half retarded.


First what build and unit combinations do you usually use? And if you search for chills vods on ZvP here they will help you a lot.




I normally use:

Chill's 4hatch before gas -> 3base 5hatch lurkerling against FE
12hatch11pool13hatch into whatever the fuck i feel like at the moment vs 2gate and 1gatecore

needless to say, i lose a lot against 2gate and 1gate core


Hmm, what you need to do is scout fast so you know how to adapt, i play from like 3 main builds, depending on where and who i'm playing, either Overpool 12h 11p or 9pool 13hatch. The key to zerg is the ability to adapt, you need to scout fast to decide how your going to play, i usually sned my 10th drone to scout, so when my pool or first hatch finishes i know what i am expecting, so now i can decide if i want to take another expo (vs an FE toss) Or switch to a 3hatch tech form, or whatever i feel necessary.

The key is to go in with really no set plan, just a basic build, then you adapt to what he did and progress your game from there. Most of the time i have intentions to 5hatch, especially if he fast expands, but if he doesn't that doesn't mean i lose, it only means i need to adapt my play accordingly.

Also identifying map positioning and possible strategy's based on position you must keep in mind, for example if i get close proximity vs Toss on Python, i won't put it past him to reaver me early on, and they shouldn't put it past me to go 2hatch tech into mutas for the potential to end the game fast. But i don't really like all in strats and i haven't perfected a transition from 2hatch mutas into macro, without doing a significant amount of damage.

If you would like i can post some ZvP reps of mine.


I dont think your zvp reps would help very much LOL OWNED

gl though shallow keep going at it
YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
March 06 2008 08:20 GMT
#34
i hate zvp as well. fuck you protoss and your corsairs and dark templars and storms and archons and reavers.
what the fuck do you have to say for yourself now you protoss jackass can you retaliate in any way
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25980 Posts
March 06 2008 13:56 GMT
#35
ZvP is the simplest Zerg matchup to learn. If you understand ZvT fundamentals, it won't take long to understand ZvP.
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17727 Posts
March 06 2008 14:48 GMT
#36
-___- zvp is the only reason why i dont play zerg.
Everytime i lose my overlords to corsairs i want to throw a car at someone.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Bub
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States3518 Posts
March 06 2008 15:07 GMT
#37
ooh someone needs anger management

and lessons.
XK ßubonic
MoNKeYSpanKeR
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States2869 Posts
March 06 2008 15:13 GMT
#38
On March 06 2008 23:48 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
-___- zvp is the only reason why i dont play zerg.
Everytime i lose my overlords to corsairs i want to throw a car at someone.

Everytime a lone ninja scores 26 drone kills, or a protoss attack fails, yet he gets off 2 storms on my eco line and we are even, if not giving him the edge.

I know how you feel. Battle through it!!!

OVERCOME ALL, when all else fairs scourge a sair and nuke a kitty.
<3's Mani and Seraphim, thx for the second chance. TSL Name: TSL-mSLeGenD
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
March 06 2008 18:32 GMT
#39
I feel your pain, brother. I played a zvp on python yesterday where he 2 gated, and I got a large advantage with a 3 lurk rush into his main, slowing him down completely. At this point I got lazy and figured I could kill him just by rallying groups of hydra to his main while microing poorly (boy was I wrong). Little did I know he managed to sneak an expo in the 3 main,which I figured i could just ignore (wrong again). after several dt drops and successful zeal raids on my expos, i was too pissed to even play anymore and just gg'd. i feel like there is no leeway for mistakes at all when playing as zerg, while the other races have so much more elasticity. it's frustrating as shit sometimes.
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clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
March 06 2008 22:27 GMT
#40
msg meeeeee=D my pvp and pvt are c/c+ but my pvz is like D+ lolol
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Niji-z
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States208 Posts
March 07 2008 00:01 GMT
#41
When you learn how, teach me. ;]
Rawr.
ATeddyBear
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Canada2843 Posts
March 07 2008 00:57 GMT
#42
wanna play sometime, you can take someone form the street make em play Z and theyll still beat me :D
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