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lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
December 11 2007 17:46 GMT
#1
On December 11 2007 07:09 lugggy wrote:
On December 11 2007 06:50 Chill wrote:
Edit: I actually think the MBS thread model is ideal. It starts with a group of people talking about a subject. Slowly, people lose interest as the thread grows, and now there is a core group talking amongst themselves. The barrier to enter that thread gets higher, so someone wanting to bring up a new topic can either a) not post it, or b) glance over the background in the thread and then post. The current system allows option c) ignore all previous content and post your thread. I suppose that's fine, but I do think there are consequences of operating like that. Do the positives outweight the negatives? I don't know. As I said before, I simply ignore all these philosophical debate threads.

Ideal for a research think tank, maybe. But at TL we have threads about 5 favorite bands, clown walkers, current events, etc. Maybe to a reader two topics on the same thing might seem repetitive. But why not let those different people have those discussions? The point is to let people meet eachother and talk, not create ultimate truth in document form on every possible topic. It's a community, not a job. While I think it's important for people to contribute to a thread in the way expected or get out, I think TLnet should have enough room for them to not only get out of that thread, but to go make their own one if they like, at least as a blog post, and let the different types of threads compete. Say you want to make a topic to get to the bottom of the moral questions of Vick's case. Someone else might have a completely different take and not want to spend hours fighting yours. Why not let him? Does that really harm the site as a community-builder?

I think what happens more of the time is an option d): ignore some of the content in the current thread, but post your comments to it. In fact the majority of all participation on this site follows this formula out of necessity. It would be better if we demanded people admit what they actually read, and to start a sub-thread if they did not want to read it all. But if you want to try to have it both ways, I think we get neither. Instead we get people pretending to have read more than they did.


So the question is, what is better for TLnet? One topic per issue, or many? In the SC2 forum we have adopted a radical, strict, 1-topic-per-issue (for the purposes of this topic we could call it "singularity", adj.).

I agree that forcing an issue into one topic, while requiring everyone to read every thread before responding, offers an interesting mechanism where the cost to get involved increases as it goes along, I do not believe this works for all topics because the cost ultimately gets too high for anyone. A discussion has to be constantly split, and reframed, and sometimes having two different options for a discussion alongside eachother is the only way to do this.

My preference is that two completely seperate groups of people, maybe months or years apart, can be allowed to have virtually the same discussion on the forum, and there's no harm in it, but in fact it actually helps because it attracts these people and others, creating attractive things for people to do on this site. In other words, we don't need to shut threads down because it's "been done before." People who've seen it before can ignore it, and if there is really no interest it should die on its own.

Now, if someone starts a topic and no one has any interest in it, then that's a bad topic and the person who started it should be discouraged. But if you have tons of people who want to talk about something "old," what I think is best for everyone is that we let them do it.

The SC2 forum is set up differently because it has specific goals in mind: to say what we want for SC2, so Blizzard can hear it. So I don't disagree with that. But in other forums (General, Blogs) there is no such dire goal in mind, so I am not convinced of Chill's position (above).

A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26004 Posts
December 11 2007 18:00 GMT
#2
I made that post for selfish reasons - I find the religion threads unbearable.

For most of the community, the MBS thread model doesn't work. There are often tangents and new ideas that warrant a new, fresh thread rather than bumping an old one. New threads generate new views and restimulate discussion.

But that's not the same in relgion threads. The discussion is always the same: "I'm religious I don't believe you atheists. Oh wait how can you believe in the spaghetti monster. You believe when you die you're gone forever? How ridiculous!" Yes I'm oversimplifying things, but not by much. Opening a new thread to stimulate new discussion in this topic is not necessary, because if the discussion is "Hey guys I'm atheist" no one's going to be bringing new ideas to that discussion. If there was an interesting tangent to that, new scientific evidence, a new philosophical thought experiment, I would be a-ok with a new thread for it. But Christ, seeing the hundreth "Hey guys I'm athiest too" thread drives me insane, and I know others in the community feel the same.

I will read your replies, but please keep them brief. I notice you like to get really deep into issues, and I don't really feel like that's necessary for this subject.
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
December 11 2007 20:01 GMT
#3
On December 12 2007 03:00 Chill wrote:
I find the religion threads unbearable.

QFT.
Peace~
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
December 11 2007 20:06 GMT
#4
On December 12 2007 05:01 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2007 03:00 Chill wrote:
I find the religion threads unbearable.

QFT.

QFT
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lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
December 11 2007 20:40 GMT
#5
Well you are right that, for someone who sits back and sees them constantly, the religion threads are probably pretty predictable and sad. But I haven't really got to be in one yet, and bumping old ones is pointless. Reading them isn't the same either, so I think it is nice if you let people like me start one, oh, couple times a year or so, just so we can have a crack at it. I think you can see that the way my thread on it went was slightly different, even if you feel the differences aren't significant for you. I think there are some intelligent theists lurking and if we draw them out there must be something they can share. All the bickering between atheists is pretty boring to me though, as well as the bitter religious people who don't want to open up but want to get some of their frustration out. idk, you probably don't want to get into that. But I appreciated your thoughts. I sincerely am interested in getting deeper into what all these people have against the religious discussions. I think it's incredibly interesting to think about where people get their ideas from, and to discuss how reliable these ways are.
A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
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