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lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
December 03 2007 15:52 GMT
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On December 04 2007 00:13 Hawk wrote:
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On December 03 2007 23:32 lugggy wrote:
If my dog killed your child, it would be my responsibility.


But a dog can't think like a human can, so that's not so great of an analogy.

The reason we don't apply the same laws to adults as we do to children is precisely because we don't give them the credit for thinking "fully", so it is a perfect analogy. When someone else is not expected or believed able to "think like an adult" we lessen the responsibility on them. Again, think of a 2 year old. If my 2 year old burns down your house, isn't it because _I_ fucked up? And surely you can't argue that a 2 year old should be tried as an adult because he "thinks like a human." Maybe teens should be treated more like adults, sure. But they aren't.


Personally, I do think a lot of things should require minors to be charged as adults. Murder, rape, etc. These are all major things that you learn at a very young age—regardless of race, creed, social status, etc—that are major fuck ups thata you don't do. Still, I don't think the parent of a 16 year old should be held accountable if he shoots up the school.

Maybe that's because you think 16 should be considered adult. Obviously you wouldn't say the same things about a 2 year old, or an 8 year old, etc. The "nature" of the crime doesn't change who is doing it. Obviously some people, by age or mental defect, are not capable of the kind of guilt you are imagining. If someone is legally assigned to be responsible for that those people do, to watch over them etc., then that should mean something. The dog analogy works. If I am responsible for a dog, then it's my fault if it bites someone. If legal guardians are truly responsible for their 16 year olds, they are responsible for what their 16 year old does. Now you might say that they can't possibly know. If that's the case then they can't possibly really be a true legal guardian. The child is already independent if what you're saying is true. I don't think that's usually the case.

I mean, like if they were found to be negligent in that he told them the day before as he's goin to school, 'bye mom, going to shoot up my classmates!' 'hahaha, funny, have a good one hun!' then yeah, they should get punished. But I really don't think a lot of situations are like this.


No again, as you can see by my responses above, accepting responsibility for someone else (be it a child, teen, otherwise mentally incompetent entity, pet, etc.) should mean something. It should mean accepting responsibility, not just "well i'll make sure to feed it, not abuse it, but if it does anything really bad it ain't my fault." That's bullshit. Now maybe by the time someone is 16 it is time to give them full legal independence and full rights, but in any case that has not happened so IMO all this "tried as adult" shit is really wishful thinking for parents (and others who have some responsibility for those we deem as and treat as children) who have had bad results.

A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
nA.Inky
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States794 Posts
December 03 2007 19:06 GMT
#2
I'm just curious what holding a parent responsible entails, in your mind, Luggy.

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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
December 03 2007 23:02 GMT
#3
I think you're confusing two separate ideas.

We wouldn't punish a 1 year old (2 is too old) for burning down a house, because their brain hasn't physically developed into an analytical one. It comes down to psychology on a case by case basis, but in most cases infants cannot reason consequences and many simple things. They are just beginning to understand that they can physically alter the world around them and cannot process negative punishment for a bad action. By 2, most have figured it out and I'd imagine a two year old would be punished for playing with fire, as would the parents of course.

A 16 year old has pretty much fully developed that part of their brain and can understand good and bad. The parent is responsible for teaching those things and watching out for extraordinary circumstances (the Columbine kids putting an armory in their garage is an example of faulty parenting), but a 16 year old does have free will and the power to do good and bad, regardless of what their parents have taught them. The number 18 is probably a combination of influence from child labor laws, and a bunch of other crap, but I think it's fair to charge 16 year olds as adults and children, given the circumstances.
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lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
December 03 2007 23:05 GMT
#4
No... anyone else?
A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
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