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lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
October 30 2007 19:26 GMT
#1
I saw this on another blog today. There were lots of replies and I only wanted to talk about the OP, and not really even necessarily attract the people involved, so I thought this would be a perfect entry for my own blog. Here it goes:

On October 28 2007 06:03 JesusCruxRH wrote:
I had a discussion with my flatmate last night regarding the accuracy of the Bible. We were just chatting on MSN (haha yes we're that bad even though we're just down the hallway from one another) and he asked about how the words could be trusted due to the number of times it's been translated?

This is a dubious question IMO. What is meant by "accuracy" of the Bible? Like the quote on the bottom will say, it isn't a scientific textbook. It's not a handbook. It's not even a book (there are many separate books, separate authors, etc.) Reading it like it is supposed to be a "true story" is incredibly naive, given the style and the writing tradition it comes out of. Some historical facts are mixed in, sure. Some aren't completely bogus. That doesn't mean the part where he walks on water must be true. Miracles were commonly attributed to great people--look at writings from the same period and you'll see that it is very much something to do with the way people wrote and told stories about people during this time, and you will see the Bible in a whole other light. And stop wondering whether it is an accurate record.

Anyhow, I couldn't really think of a rationale explanation without referring to books etc. so I just said most atheists who do attack the Bible generally attack it based on their disagreements with its values rather than its historical accuracy. But I think it's important to cover that as well, so starting today I'll post a little bit from books I've read (mostly Lee Strobel) to inform anyone who is interested about the Bible's accuracy.

Note I'm too lazy to write it in my own words so most of it will be just straight book to computer transcripts, but with me cropping here and there for the sake of removing opinions and bits I don't think are as necessary to paste (saves youse from reading whole chapters, if you get what I mean). Not all answers will be answered at once, so it'd be appreciated if any comments were limited to what is being discussed in the paraphrases, as further subjects will be touched upon as I write them up.

Today - since we've been discussing it recently, the accuracy of scientific claims in the Bible.

(spoiler tag remove)The Bible is not a science textbook. Yet, when it comes to scientific matters, the Bible is noteworthy not only for what it says but also for what it does not say.

Many mistaken beliefs gained wide acceptance in ancient times. Views about the earth ranged from the idea that it was flat to the notion that tangible substances or objects held it aloft. Long before science learned about the spread and prevention of disease, physicians employed some practices that were ineffective at least, lethal at worst.

Some 3,500 years ago, the Bible stated that the earth is hanging "upon nothing" (Job 26:7). In the eighth century BCE, Isaiah clearly referred to "the circle of the earth" (Isaiah 40:22). A Spherical earth held in empty space without any visible or physical means of support - does not that description sound remarkably modern?

It is easy to find a sentence here or there that goes either way, esp. if you include new testament writings. It is misleading to talk about "The Bible" and then use examples from the old testament, as evidence that the "whole bible" is an achievement. Look at it this way. If some new religion came along, included its new cannon plus the old testament and called their creation "The Book", and then said "see, in (old testament example) The Book proves to know such and such. And that's what's going on here if you use old testament examples to say The Bible "knew" the earth was round. If you look hard enough you'll also find the same "book" knew the earth was flat.

Written about 1500 BCE, the Mosaic Law (found in the first five books of the Bible) contained sound laws regarding quarantining of the sick, treatment of dead bodies, and disposal of waste (Leviticus 13:1-5, Numbers 19:1-13, Deuteronomy 23:13, 14).()

It doesn't take a miracle to figure out this, just common sense. The idea of cleanliness comes from experience, not God, and we didn't need to know the microscopic workings of it before we could have a general sense of it.

In conclusion, I feel like the post I responded to, tries to lend some credibility to "The Bible" as true because it seems to have taken some stances that panned out (when read selectively). The talk of "The Bible" as a single book ignores the whole issue of legitimately linking the old testament with the new, and basically is presenting a case that "since this and that book turned out to be right on these various 50/50 guesses, the whole cannon may actually be from God and everything it said really happened." I know no one said this explicitly but that seems to be what the implication seems to be aiming at.

I'm sure we could all find beliefs in various ancient books that turned out to "sound right" right now. That will never be a basis for following the teachings of the religion of that book; or the teachings of that book. More to the point, this would never mean that we should take every sentence from such books as true facts.

Facts from God (what do you mean by "God"?). Etc.

A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
Never Post
Profile Joined July 2004
United Kingdom503 Posts
October 30 2007 19:54 GMT
#2
I pretty much agree with your thoughts.

But I also see that there are many people who need guidelines, someone(or thing) to tell them what to do. It's a bit like how kids like to hug soft toys to feel better, even though it won't protect them from being crushed by a truck.

On the other hand, those who take translations of ancient texts written by many different authors as literal holy truth need to have damn strong beliefs... maybe they slept with mummy until they were 14.

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No I am not being serious at all
Note to self: [You have short term memory loss - you did post this]
lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
October 31 2007 14:06 GMT
#3
Oh, definitely, I think religion is very important, as long as some of the people involved really know what they are doing. When the inmates take over the asylum, then it is just a train off the tracks going nowhere--a real mess. But that's just my opinion on that.

What bugs me is that whatever value the Bible had, is completely lost on a lot of the "most religious" people today, because they are caught up in Biblical inerrancy, a ridiculous belief that drives them to either ignore modern sources of reliable knowledge, or at least discredit them in horribly refutable ways (basically saying that the scientific community is a big conspiracy, or that God placed evidence to test our faith--I can go on but you get the idea).

If someone honestly reads the Bible with no outside help, they will not arrive at all the conclusions they are "supposed to" according to this or that sect. Yet these sects believe the Bible is 100% true and from God. But it seems to me that if it weren't for one man, Paul, we would have no way to even think we're supposed to go in that direction. The more I read the Bible the more it seems like Paul simply subverted or created a mystery religion cult around the figure Jesus. There seem to be two Jesuses, one a teacher, and one just another idol. If people took each book of the Bible on its own and tried to figure out for themselves what it's about and not assume they all fit together, I think they would see this more and more. And see that almost none of us are really "following Jesus", we're just being pagans in the name of the idol named Jesus.
A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
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