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How to buy and build a computer, part 1

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ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-24 10:21:42
October 14 2007 23:54 GMT
#1
I'm seeing a lot of computer related questions in the general forum lately, most relating to buying. I have a few thoughts on the matter, mostly because I've selected parts and built computers for 10 years. Not many, perhaps two or three each year for me or friends/family on average.

I firmly belive that the best route is building your own. OEM computers are usually more expensive or contains lesser parts. I'm not saying they are useless. The fact is that most users will do just fine with a dell or compaq computer, but I belive that you can build better computers yourself. It is fun thing to do, and it is surprisingly easy. It takes me about 20 minutes to put a computer together and making sure everything is right.

Part 1 : Choosing your parts
A general rule of thumb is : go mid-range. Don't buy the absolutely fastest video card (Right now the 8800 ULTRA), or the latest memory (DDR3 atm) because it is not worth it. These components are usually pushed to the limit, are overpriced, will be the best untill the next generation arrives and will not give the performance increase you'd expect.

There are 3 parts that you should never skimp on. These are the motherboard, the power supply (psu) and the memory (ram). The rest you can save on. Now lets get into individual parts.

1: CPU
Chosing your cpu is the easiest task these days. AMD is lagging behind with outdated technology and is not showing any signs of surging ahead. Expect them at most to break even. So, go with Intel. You'd want a core2duo or even a Quad core. The Q6600 is a great buy these days. Don't read to much into clock speeds, but mind the cache. You want at least 4 mb, stay away from the 2mb core2 variants.
Compare current CPU speeds here

1.1 Overclocking
I will mention this, because the latest intel cpu's overclock to high heavens due to their advanced manufacturing process, the nice low temperature and the fact that every core2duo cpu is made exactly the same. I really see no reason not overclock a intel cpu these days, if only like 25%. I won't go into the technical details, but remember if you want to overclock you need a motherboard to deal with it. The P35 should be supergood for this. A few links showcasing what is possible:
$89 Pentium Dual Core that Runs at 3.2 GHz
Extreme FSB 2: The Quad-Core Advantage?
Extreme FSB: Taking the E6750 Beyond 4 GHz

2: Motherboard
Now this is a hard thing to pick. First, for the intel cpu you need a Socket 775 motherboard. There are currently 4 different chipsets - the 965, the 975, the P35 and the X38. The X38 is the enthusiast choice, but you really don't need it today. I'd go with the p35 because it is a good mainstream solution. The 965 is also great, stay away from the semi-failiure that is the 775 platform. Oh and also the nvidia chipsets are pretty good, but also older than the new fancy P35/X38. The mobo market is in constant movement, so pick one that has all the features you need and then spend some time reading up on it.
Go with a name brand but stay away from "gaming" offerings. Usually not worth it. I could talk about chosing a motherboard forever, but a better way to chose it to check out a good site like Tom's Hardware.
Eight P35-DDR2 Motherboards Compared


3: Memory
RAM is important. These days the standard is 2 gb. You'll need a 64-bit system to use 4gb-plus systems. Don't. DDR3 is here, but it is expensive and not really worth the money yet. A good choice here is going with DDR2-6400. Not very expensive and fast enough. A good offering is Wintec AMPO PC2-6400, you can find 2 1gb sticks for as little as $80. Don't buy the really really cheap stuff.


4: Power Supply (PSU)
The PSU is very important. You want one that is silent, so look at the ones with a large 120mm fan on the bottom. There are a lot of different versions today, but make sure you get one with plenty of connectors, and at least 3-4 sata connections. It should give plenty of power, 500w is excellent, 400w is usually enough. A good brand is Fortron, they make durable and affordable psu's. I would not splurge on one of those 500w+ offerings, you don't need them. My current computer has a 500w psu, 5 or six hard drives, dvd-rom and a hungry gfx card, and it has plenty of power. Be prepared to pay at least $60-$70 on this. I spent $150 on mine and it is well worth it.
EDIT: I'm gonna change my mind a bit here. If you are planning on some serious overclocking, a state-of-the-art video card and a mass of other things in your case a 500w+ PSU should be considered.
Anandtech: PSU/Cooler/Case reviews. Many psu's here.


5: Hard Drive
Very boring thing to chose. I use Segate and Western Digital. Buy a SATA-II drive. 320gb are a good buy because of the price per gb.
Harddrives charts, including price/performance chart


6: Video Card
Horribly boring marked these days. If you are a gamer you buy the Nvidia 8800, the flavor depends on your need. The 8800GTS 320gb is a great buy for the money. ATI is not worth buying nowadays, simply because they don't keep up despite their lineup being 6 months newer. The smaller cards are okai, the Nvidia 8600GT being decent but lacks the raw speed of its big brother. I'm not a gamer anymore so I usually get by with an old 6800 card. I can still play most games.
Compare vide cards here
+ Show Spoiler [maleorderbride's thoughts] +
I am not an AMD or ATI fan boy, but the HD2900PRO 512MB Video card is actually a very nice buy. That said, if you dont see a sale the 8800GTS 320 is the obvious choice.

If you find a good deal on it you get it for about $10 more than the 8800GTS 320. However, the 2900PRO overclocks amazingly well (~30% )and gets damn close to the GTX in terms of performance. The 8800GTS 320 only overclocks about 5-10%.

Rivatuner is a great program that is incredibly easy to use to overclock most video cards.



7: Case
This one is a thinker. On the one side, you can get away with the cheapest case you can find. But it will be heavy, it will rattle now and then, it will have bad airflow and possibly annoying build qualities. A good case should have the following: place for fans in front and back, slots for at least 3 hard drives, 2 cd-roms and a solid build quality. My favorites are Lian Li and Cooler Master. I don't like ones with a lot of light or windows because they annoy me, but pick one that fits your taste.


8: Fans, cooling
You should make sure to have good airflow in your computer. 120mm fans are excellent because they are quiet and efficient. One in the front and one in the back, one sucking and one blowing is usually sufficiant. You might want to look into a cpu fan as well. The bundled ones are pretty good these days, but they tend to be a bit noisy. Talking about noise, the standard video card fans usually are. Consider a replacement.


9: The rest of the stuff
DVD-Burners are all the same imho, just make sure you get a SATA drive. As for monitor I'm a big fan of the latest generation 22-inch lcd's. They are fast, pretty and big. I usually spend some money on keyboard, mice, speakers, monitor and mice mat, because these are the things you touch and use every day, and they should be comfortable. The onboard sound cards are pretty good as well, but of course the standalone ones are better.


I think that is it. A lot of text and rambling, but it might help those curious ones. If you have different ideas, think I'm horribly wrong or just have something to ask - ask. Part 2 will include pretty pictures of me building a computer, or at least taking one apart and putting it back together.

- tkwl

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freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
October 15 2007 00:17 GMT
#2
thank you, this guide was useful
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Pwntrucci[sR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada1519 Posts
October 15 2007 00:50 GMT
#3
Very nice, I need to change computer (the one I'm using hasn't had any upgrades since 2001) and I have no idea how to do so. This gave me a good general idea.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32280 Posts
October 15 2007 01:14 GMT
#4
Great entry. :D
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24784 Posts
October 15 2007 01:15 GMT
#5
Your information about parts seems very helpful. So, how do you order the parts?
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Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
October 15 2007 01:20 GMT
#6
great beginner guide

thumbs up =)
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-15 01:25:58
October 15 2007 01:23 GMT
#7
you should stress the overclockinga spect of cpu, since most of the value in building your own comp comes with the possibility to overclock. for oc, the general rule is that, go with the most advanced manufacturing process (the 65nm, 90nm etc, smaller the better), go with the highest multiplier. if you want to do more research, you can find overclocking reports on specific cpus easily.

for harddrives, get this

http://techreport.com/articles.x/13253
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backdrOp
Profile Joined November 2005
United States104 Posts
October 15 2007 01:26 GMT
#8
i built the computer i'm using now, so when people ask and think it's crazy, i usually tell them its just like putting pieces of a puzzle together.

then i say the motherboard and case are where you put all the pieces.

i think that's how hard it is to build your own comp, it's just which parts to get are where the hassle is imo.
betaben
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-15 02:04:51
October 15 2007 02:00 GMT
#9
wow - this is really useful - thanks! (I've been meaning to make a computer for a while now, one of the difficult things it knowing what is current) btw - I'm quite new: is there any way to bookmark useful posts within TL?
ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
October 15 2007 14:07 GMT
#10
On October 15 2007 10:23 oneofthem wrote:
you should stress the overclockinga spect of cpu, since most of the value in building your own comp comes with the possibility to overclock. for oc, the general rule is that, go with the most advanced manufacturing process (the 65nm, 90nm etc, smaller the better), go with the highest multiplier. if you want to do more research, you can find overclocking reports on specific cpus easily.

for harddrives, get this

http://techreport.com/articles.x/13253


I added a little bit about oc'ing and a few links that explains the boring technical stuff you'll need to know to overclock. Hard drives are really really boring because they don't make much of a difference in your average system. Raptors or other fast drives are really not that much faster and they are still really slow.
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ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
October 15 2007 14:09 GMT
#11
On October 15 2007 10:15 micronesia wrote:
Your information about parts seems very helpful. So, how do you order the parts?


I belive most americans are fond of newegg. I'm using toms hardware a lot, but it really is the premiere site for hardware and build-your-own - and they have a price guide I belive checks around for prices every day.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26003 Posts
October 15 2007 18:41 GMT
#12
Awesome. Thanks.
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HiFi
Profile Joined February 2004
United States518 Posts
October 15 2007 22:50 GMT
#13
good guide, i helped a friend purchased a Dell and add some parts. Dell's computer is very annoying cuz they build things in a reverse setup, like if a typical motherboard rests on right side of the panel theirs rest on the left...

but Dell's computer is very quiet.

you can spend about $1200 and have a very decent gaming machine.
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RaGe
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Belgium9950 Posts
October 19 2007 16:30 GMT
#14
very nice guide, im looking forward to the next part!
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maleorderbride
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2916 Posts
October 22 2007 03:54 GMT
#15
I am not an AMD or ATI fan boy, but the HD2900PRO 512MB Video card is actually a very nice buy. That said, if you dont see a sale the 8800GTS 320 is the obvious choice.

If you find a good deal on it you get it for about $10 more than the 8800GTS 320. However, the 2900PRO overclocks amazingly well (~30% )and gets damn close to the GTX in terms of performance. The 8800GTS 320 only overclocks about 5-10%.

Rivatuner is a great program that is incredibly easy to use to overclock most video cards.

I must say I thought it was funny that you consider Wintec to be a good memory brand. They are closer to the bottom than to the middle of the barrel.

If you plan on overclocking you need to get a better heatsink for the CPU as well. Just something to consider when you figure out how much it costs to overclock. If you do not want to overclock the motherboard choice is much much much less important (as is the chipset choice).

That is also somewhat expensive for RAM. I usually like to spend about $50-60 on 2GB of DDR2 800. That is of course after a $30 rebate or so, but includes tax. You can get great OCZ RAM that has 4-4-4-12 timings at 800MHz and overclocks to ~950.
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micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24784 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-10-24 00:59:57
October 24 2007 00:58 GMT
#16
On October 15 2007 08:54 ToKoreaWithLove wrote:
6: Video Card
Horribly boring marked these days. If you are a gamer you buy the Nvidia 8800, the flavor depends on your need. The 8800GTS 320gb is a great buy for the money. ATI is not worth buying nowadays, simply because they don't keep up despite their lineup being 6 months newer. The smaller cards are okai, the Nvidia 8600GT being decent but lacks the raw speed of its big brother. I'm not a gamer anymore so I usually get by with an old 6800 card. I can still play most games.
Compare vide cards here

I'm not that knowledgeable on this stuff, but you meant The 8800GTS 320 MB?

BTW, I'm thinking of getting a new computer within the next few months but I'm not at all up on the components of building a new computer. How worth it would it be for me? Will I probably need someone to help me choose parts and put it together since I've always just ordered customized systems from Dell? How much money can I save if I want a system comparable to a 1000-1300 dollar dell desktop?
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ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
October 24 2007 10:21 GMT
#17
On October 22 2007 12:54 maleorderbride wrote:
I am not an AMD or ATI fan boy, but the HD2900PRO 512MB Video card is actually a very nice buy. That said, if you dont see a sale the 8800GTS 320 is the obvious choice.

If you find a good deal on it you get it for about $10 more than the 8800GTS 320. However, the 2900PRO overclocks amazingly well (~30% )and gets damn close to the GTX in terms of performance. The 8800GTS 320 only overclocks about 5-10%.

Rivatuner is a great program that is incredibly easy to use to overclock most video cards.

I must say I thought it was funny that you consider Wintec to be a good memory brand. They are closer to the bottom than to the middle of the barrel.

If you plan on overclocking you need to get a better heatsink for the CPU as well. Just something to consider when you figure out how much it costs to overclock. If you do not want to overclock the motherboard choice is much much much less important (as is the chipset choice).

That is also somewhat expensive for RAM. I usually like to spend about $50-60 on 2GB of DDR2 800. That is of course after a $30 rebate or so, but includes tax. You can get great OCZ RAM that has 4-4-4-12 timings at 800MHz and overclocks to ~950.


I'll add your thoughts to the post, because I tend to agree. But as this is pretty much a beginner's guide I tried to stay away from the more advanced "video card A is a better buy if you pair it with cooler y and overclock it x percent compared to video card B which only overclocks z%" type advice.

And actually that wintec ram i mentioned is a pretty good budget buy. I should have made that clearer.
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jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
February 28 2008 08:43 GMT
#18
Just put together my computer, and I made most choices for my parts based on what you said in this blog-entry. Thank you TKWL!

I was aiming to get a cheap one that still could handle most things. Here's what I got:

Asus P5B SE 965 mobo
Intel core 2 duo 2x2.33 Ghz 4MB
redwing psu 480w
Corsair ddr2 ram 2x1024 MB
Radeon HD 2600 pro 512MB video card
Western Digital 500GB sata HD
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