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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-29 06:13:10
September 29 2007 06:06 GMT
#41
wittgenstein didn't break him quite in this way, but he did put a stop to the project of a fundamental projeect of logic as russell envisioned it. the details of which i remain ignorant of.

wittgenstein, i think, did break this. although he didn't do it in writing i get the general attitude of it. i think this could be a way of looking at wittgenstein's work in a new light.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 29 2007 06:07 GMT
#42
this is actually pretty hilarious, so in philosophy now, we can't represent ourselves and we can't represent anything else, what else can we do?
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 29 2007 06:07 GMT
#43
i thought of it. the things i cited so far illustrate what i want to talk about but i lost the idea. yes, it is a problem with representation.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-29 06:11:51
September 29 2007 06:08 GMT
#44
we can still go on reasoning and such. i mean you dont simply stop thinking about stuff. even now. i dont know which kind of theoretical projects on philosophy fails under this scrutiny, but certainly some of them do fail. i can think of the big internalist-externalist debate in epistemology as one.

and i htink representational usages are fine as long as they are being treated as ways of talking about things. they are not really good subjects for analytical analysis. the thing is pretty tricky.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 29 2007 06:15 GMT
#45
i think "being and time" might talk about this, i know it talks a lot about objects, but yea, kudos to you, but i assume something like this should already have been written considering how similar it is to other ideas in philosophy.

This puts foucault in a clearer light for me, he examines the subject and objects which are essentially short for transcendental subject and object, in society. Their origin, purpose, characteristics, etc

Like sexuality is a quality of the western subject, which was created by medicinal and some other scientific discourses for some purpose, and he traces the history of this concept, and etc etc etc ec
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 29 2007 06:19 GMT
#46
being and time, heard a lot of things about it. mebbe i'll look into it.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 29 2007 06:31 GMT
#47
i think i've been using the word transcendetal subject wrong
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 29 2007 06:33 GMT
#48
anyways upon second thought I think this is much more complicated, I will read a lot of stuff first
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 29 2007 07:05 GMT
#49
btw, http://plato.stanford.edu

stanford encyclopedia of philosophy, most biased encyclopedia ever, 109310983 entries on russell, heidegger doesn't even get his own page
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5298 Posts
September 29 2007 13:13 GMT
#50
representation aside, all i have to do is prove to you that your casual mechanism can be influenced from 'outside' and your theory fails, correct?.
or, even if i don't speak it's language i can make it aware of things it does not understand by using floating points (viable projected frameworks). now, i am sure that the casual mechanism will not change it's values, it's truths, it's framework but when it 'evolves' it will possess both the truths of it's former self and those of the projected theories.

floating point = a different casual mechanism that 'works', in the same environment (my refference point) as your mechanism.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-29 14:20:27
September 29 2007 14:18 GMT
#51
well no. i am not referring to a specific outcome, just a specific causal relation. if you 'influence' it, you merely describe it in more detail.

and i really dont think this is the right direction for this thing. what causal mechanism means is just the way the description 'describes' and gives the description seemingly valid substitutional value.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5298 Posts
September 29 2007 15:06 GMT
#52
what else could you say.
i can guarantee you that if you will be able to define 'a what', and 'a how' (as principles of your casual mechanism) i will be able to describe 'a why' which will not only be influential to your mechanism but it will never be a part of it.

(lulz i just realised that i wrote casual in all of my posts, instead of causal)
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-29 16:36:35
September 29 2007 15:50 GMT
#53
if it has influence it is a part of the mechanism. or rather, 'having influence' is a logical part of 'causal mechanism' and you cannot simply insert things at random.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-09-29 16:32:13
September 29 2007 16:21 GMT
#54
On September 29 2007 15:33 zulu_nation8 wrote:
anyways upon second thought I think this is much more complicated, I will read a lot of stuff first
i dont think i laid out the complete version of it, but at the moment it is not very smooth. maybe by next friday. i need to talk with mor epeople about htis.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 29 2007 17:04 GMT
#55
ok, just chew on this for a moment. when we say 'logic is real,' what do we mean. it means, logic has similar properties as 'reality' the concept and 'just is.' i think we should pay much more attention to declarations like this, since these are sincere at least for that person.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
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