• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 07:12
CEST 13:12
KST 20:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview5[ASL21] Finals Preview: Two Legacies21
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 20269Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28)10[BSL22] Non-Korean Championship from 13 to 28 June4Weekly Cups (May 25-31): Clem doubles, 2v2 circuit heads toward finale0
StarCraft 2
General
RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 2026 TL Poll: How do you feel about the 5.0.16 PTR balance changes? Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners High level ptr replays? where can I find them?
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) GSL Code S Season 2 (2026)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 530 One For All The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed Mutation # 528 Infection Detected
Brood War
General
Where is EffOrt? BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals [BSL22] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CEST Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Relatively freeroll strategies Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
UK Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Does Workplace Frustration D…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Why RTS gamers make better f…
gosubay
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9355 users

[P] The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

Blogs > Taiche
Post a Reply
Taiche *
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
France1963 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-08-14 14:10:35
August 14 2007 13:45 GMT
#1
Seeing this phrase as Grubby's blog post title, I thought "that could work for the programming world too" because it defines the categories of programmers quite well :D Note that these categories sometimes overlap (the Good can be Ugly more often than not ).
Note : the people I list in each category as examples are because of personal experience. I do not know the entire community fo SC programmers so if you feel "forgotten" then it's because I don't know you or your skills enough to put your name in here. Do not take it personnally


I - The Good

[image loading]


This is the kind of programmer you encounter sometimes. To me, they are not rare or but they aren't common as well. I have been lucky to have 2 of them in my team (out of 4-5 people back then) at work and it was quite a relief because they both have 2 different areas of expertise.
This kind of programmer is considered "good at what he does" because he has a great knowledge of what he is talking about but is also humble enough to admit when he makes a mistake. He generally knows where to find information and is not afraid to try lots of things that can potentially damage his system just for test purpose And most of the time his system remains healthy.
The main problem with that kind of people is that sometimes they have social issues like being unable to work in a team or go ask people for advice. Of course, this is not true 100% of the time but that happens. Another problem is that he won't be very excited when told to do something he doesn't think is appropriate (because "it's not the way it should be done").
Therefore, having to manage such kind of programmer can be tricky ; you have to take care of him because of his expertise and knowledge but sometimes it is necessary to push him a bit because of the constraints of the project (the customer wants that, the company wants that, etc...).
In the SC community : Ashur, Ilintar, JCA.


II - The Bad

[image loading]


The Bad can take many forms. In my opinion, the worst is the scornful one that not only despise other people's work but think that their way of doing is the best. It is really a pain to have to work with this kind of guys because 2-hour-long arguments are not enough to prove them wrong -_-; And if something fails when going their way, then it's other people's fault. Again, that kind of people is quite uncommon but each time I've had to work with it was painful.
In the SC community :
[image loading]
TIGER !


III - The Ugly

[image loading]


Now here's the common type of programmer Ugly programmers produce ugly code which can be "slightly weird" to "totally incomprehensible". You have to understand that programming is like politics : there are very little people that think exactly the same as you. In programming, not only the logic can be different but also the syntax as well ; mix that with some misconceptions, differences in the knowledge level and design flaws and you have the main reasons why every code can look ugly to any programmer that didn't write it
But of course, there are some programmers who can reasonably be called "objectively ugly" as their code is almost unanimously judged ugly by other coders. You can find some examples at The Daily WTF where ugly code is posted every day. Worth a look for some laugh if you have a small grasp at basic programming languages and basic algorithm notions
That kind of people generally has no clue why he programmed something the way he did and doesn't really care if it's good or not. He probably will redo the same mistakes again and again, just because he isn't much interested in it. He just wants to see a result and doesn't care the way it was done. Too bad.
In the SC community : JCA :D (slightly) and "The guy that wrote that unpack.cpp code in bwreplib" -_-;


IV - The Gem

[image loading]

(yeah, easy one)

And there's this final un-announced category, the guy you meet once or twice in a lifetime that combines the qualities of the Good without having any flaw of the Bad or the Ugly and who is nice and humble. I have for myself seen that kind only once and it was chrisbk. For those who don't know about him, I will soon make a post.
Sometimes you can encounter someone very good but also full of himself. In that case, I'll put him into the "Good" category and not here because humility is maybe what makes that kind of people so admirable.
There isn't much more to say about this category except that if you are a programmer and are lucky enough to meet a Gem, then you surely have to learn a lot from him.

*****
Manifesto7 Uses ReXplorer, and so should you! : http://repasm.net/rx/
sundance
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Slovakia3201 Posts
August 14 2007 14:07 GMT
#2
Excellent post. I so knew it that unpack.cpp is going to be mentioned in the Ugly part .

I love your blog and I hope for more and more quality posts about programming.
Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds
Taiche *
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
France1963 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-08-14 14:09:23
August 14 2007 14:09 GMT
#3
Haha, thanks :D
Yeah, the first time I saw that unpack thing I was like "WTF ?" Luckily, x6.rocketeer (on BWP) sent me some info about it like 1 year and a half ago and I have taken another look at it recently so that ugly piece of code will soon be replaced
Manifesto7 Uses ReXplorer, and so should you! : http://repasm.net/rx/
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44071 Posts
August 14 2007 16:55 GMT
#4
I read about an awesome bit of ugly programming online somewhere though I forget where.
Basically for a program to read the first letter is simply reads it. To read the second letter it reads the first, then the first then the second. To read the third it reads the first, the first again, then the second, then the first again, then the second again, then the third. And so forth. The program did the job but there was insufficient processing power in the world to make it work. :D
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Taiche *
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
France1963 Posts
August 14 2007 17:06 GMT
#5
Haha, I can think of a way to do that twisted job and that really means the guy who coded it didn't have a clue on how the file access functions/objects work :D
Manifesto7 Uses ReXplorer, and so should you! : http://repasm.net/rx/
PePe QuiCoSE
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Argentina1204 Posts
August 14 2007 20:22 GMT
#6
keep them coming :-)
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Spring Champion…
11:00
Group Stage 2
WardiTV273
TaKeTV 106
Ryung 85
Rex72
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 85
Rex 72
trigger 43
deth 13
SHIN 9
BRAT_OK 7
TKL 5
MindelVK 3
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 35748
Calm 8051
Sea 5977
Shuttle 620
firebathero 487
Zeus 404
Mini 286
Soma 285
Larva 255
EffOrt 239
[ Show more ]
Hyun 123
Mind 114
Pusan 103
Snow 93
Free 73
Nal_rA 70
Rush 54
hero 48
Backho 46
Movie 43
ggaemo 43
Sharp 40
scan(afreeca) 35
Barracks 30
sorry 28
[sc1f]eonzerg 23
Noble 22
Liquid`Ret 21
GoRush 19
Bale 18
soO 17
Sacsri 15
Shine 15
yabsab 11
IntoTheRainbow 7
Dota 2
XcaliburYe162
Fuzer 132
Dendi81
League of Legends
JimRising 335
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1662
edward113
markeloff104
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King109
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr47
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi722
Lowko541
Dewaltoss153
XaKoH 39
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream3225
Other Games
gamesdonequick683
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 36
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1956
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
12h 49m
Replay Cast
21h 49m
The PondCast
1d 22h
OSC
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
GSL
4 days
Maru vs ShoWTimE
Classic vs Reynor
herO vs Lambo
Solar vs Clem
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
4 days
XuanXuan vs Jaystar
Mihu vs Messiah
eOnzErG vs Dewalt
Bonyth vs Jaystar
TerrOr vs Messiah
XuanXuan vs Mihu
eOnzErG vs Jaystar
Replay Cast
4 days
GSL
5 days
Patches Events
5 days
[ Show More ]
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
5 days
Dewalt vs Messiah
Bonyth vs Mihu
TerrOr vs XuanXuan
eOnzErG vs Messiah
Jaystar vs Mihu
Dewalt vs XuanXuan
Bonyth vs TerrOr
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-06-15
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Heroes Pulsing #1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
Murky Cup 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
Douyu Cup 2026
BCC 2026
Heroes Pulsing #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.