• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:15
CEST 03:15
KST 10:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence9Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8Weekly Cups (Sept 1-7): MaxPax rebounds & Clem saga continues29LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments3
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion [ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence ASL20 General Discussion Diplomacy, Cosmonarchy Edition BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D [ASL20] Ro16 Group C [Megathread] Daily Proleagues SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Borderlands 3
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Big Programming Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1999 users

Temet Nosce

Blogs > naughtDE
Post a Reply
naughtDE
Profile Blog Joined May 2019
158 Posts
June 29 2020 12:20 GMT
#1
Temet Nosce

I was watching the second interview Joe Rogan conducted with Elon Musk. At one point they talk about Neuralink, one of the companies Elon founded that pursues transhumanism. Now the form of transhumanism described in the interview, sounds quite similar to the singularity. Which is the point at which technology improves at a rate, that makes it unpredictable, hence it's name, singularity, as just with a black hole, we have no instruments to make predictions past the event (or in case of the black hole, the event horizon).

That does not stop Joe from asking the question of what will happen to Darwinism if transhumanism became reality. Elon answers, that his best guess is: it might just move to another arena.

I am not a Darwinist. To clarify, I have no problems with the theory of it. To me it is up there with the discovery of gravity. Man build pretty high buildings before Newton, now we are able to do it with less people dying in the process. However, gravity worked without us having a name for it and I assume so did Darwinism.
To call oneself a Darwinist it has to be plugged into the slot where the things go that define a human's values. How some identify as Christians, Muslims, Buddhist, Hindus, Anarchists, Democrats, Alcoholics, Nihilists, Atheists etc.

It felt like I never had a name for what was in my slot, however, just like gravity it did it's job. That interview though got me thinking. I do not identify as competitive. My fascination with RTS grew as a child without developed artistic skills, as you could just build stuff and make it pretty. I did enjoy Boxer, Oov, July, Saviour, Bisu, Jeadong and the story lines they brought with them, and the world Artosis provided a window into, that was the Kespa BW era. I am still however happy to just do whatever in an RTS:
[image loading]

I would not feel comfortable to call myself an Agnostic, because for me it has the connotation of "lazy man's Atheist". While I do not believe in a God, I very much like the idea of "godly". As in Bach would get mad if a person changed a single note in his composition, because he saw his craft as a godly act, searching, striving and connecting to that which lifts us up.

Now that I found a way to describe what defines my values as a person, it feels right to come out of the closet. I start with misquoted Socrates' "I know that I don't know", throw a little Gödel in there and try to remember "I know that I can't know".

*
"I'll take [LET IT SNOW] for 800" - Sean Connery (Darrell Hammond)
linestein
Profile Blog Joined June 2018
United States210 Posts
June 30 2020 01:50 GMT
#2
I, too, am interested in the Elon Musk interview.

Here's my opinion. There is a lot of forthcoming technology, some of which may already exist, that could dramatically change the landscape of our lives. There is biological engineering, neural network engineering, super intelligent AI, changes to our digital wireless space, and perhaps many more things that I have yet to imagine. Could the CIA invent a real version of the super drug NZT seen in the movie 'Limitless'? Who knows.

It is all very exciting. Keep in mind that science itself is only 500 years old, and that Darwinism is not even two centuries old. Already it seems that we may need some major updates in our ideas of what constitutes science, and what evolution really means. In some sense evolution is just synonymous with progress. As time passes things get more advanced. On the other hand, for Biologists evolution has a very specific meaning. As we enter the new millennium our ideas may or may not conform with the theories of the 20th century.

Personally I would be very surprised if evolution did not continue to be true at some level. The idea that, generally-speaking, things advance with time, seems to be a basic tenet of life on Earth. Our great fear is that some of these wonderful technologies will be abused by corrupt governments before they are exposed to the public. Our great hope is that these technologies can be used peacefully to help all of the sentient life on Earth. It is no mystery that, sadly, some of this technology will be developed in secret and will be misused. I think Elon Musk has taken an important step with Neuralink by making public the advancements in this area. His colleague Max Tegmark talks about the possible misuse of such technology, and the horror it could represent. You can read Dr. Tegmark's take in his book 'Life 3.0'. The idea of digital psychology torture is included--and it is indeed horrifying. But will it happen in some place on Earth? It may. It is very good that Elon Musk's company will bring this idea into the public eye so we can scrutinize it democratically. Everyone on Earth should be made aware of these advancements, and we should be as proactive as possible. Dr. Tegmark himself is very optimistic about the new technologies, especially of general AI, super-intelligent computers.

Hopefully everything will work out as Dr. Tegmark and Elon Musk hope. Personally I am really scared of corrupt governments developing forms of technology like Neuralink. Although Dr. Tegmark only outlines the possibility for the misuse of general AI, it is obvious from what he says that the technology could be really disastrous. I like to be optimistic, and I hope we all can be. Obviously nature can truly be cruel at times, and we have to use our best judgment as humans to avoid the shortcomings. Hopefully if we all do our best, the reality will be as we have dreamed of it, and things will work out well for everyone!
"You can wish to be rich, you can wish to be tall. You can wish away the haters, you just gimme a call" ---Will Smith & DJ Khaled "Friend Like Me (End Title)"
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Monday
00:00
#49
SteadfastSC160
EnkiAlexander 49
davetesta46
Liquipedia
OSC
23:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #16
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 195
SteadfastSC 160
RuFF_SC2 111
ROOTCatZ 24
Vindicta 22
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 804
Backho 138
NaDa 15
Dota 2
monkeys_forever568
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King20
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr62
Other Games
summit1g8351
shahzam934
Day[9].tv690
C9.Mang0309
Maynarde135
ViBE117
NeuroSwarm109
XaKoH 81
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick709
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• OhrlRock 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22094
Other Games
• Scarra1266
• Day9tv690
Upcoming Events
LiuLi Cup
9h 45m
OSC
17h 45m
RSL Revival
1d 8h
Maru vs Reynor
Cure vs TriGGeR
The PondCast
1d 11h
RSL Revival
2 days
Zoun vs Classic
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
[ Show More ]
Online Event
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.