• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:08
CET 23:08
KST 07:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT28Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289HomeStory Cup 28 - Info & Preview13Rongyi Cup S3 - Preview & Info8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles0Weekly Cups (Feb 9-15): herO doubles up2ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/0243LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals (Feb 10-16)46Weekly Cups (Feb 2-8): Classic, Solar, MaxPax win2
StarCraft 2
General
ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT How do you think the 5.0.15 balance patch (Oct 2025) for StarCraft II has affected the game? Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (Feb 16-22): MaxPax doubles
Tourneys
StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) PIG STY FESTIVAL 7.0! (19 Feb - 1 Mar) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament How do the "codes" work in GSL?
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ? [A] Starcraft Sound Mod
External Content
Mutation # 514 Ulnar New Year The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 513 Attrition Warfare Mutation # 512 Overclocked
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ACS replaced by "ASL Season Open" - Starts 21/02 TvZ is the most complete match up CasterMuse Youtube A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [LIVE] [S:21] ASL Season Open Day 1 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Zealot bombing is no longer popular? Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread New broswer game : STG-World Diablo 2 thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Mexico's Drug War Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Ask and answer stupid questions here!
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TL MMA Pick'em Pool 2013
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Inside the Communication of …
TrAiDoS
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1502 users

Circular Reporting by US Intelligence Agencies

Blogs > Doodsmack
Post a Reply
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-22 08:09:35
April 22 2019 07:35 GMT
#1
Consider the concept of circular reporting, where information coming from just one source is made to look like it's coming from multiple sources. Now consider what an intelligence or law enforcement agency might be able to do if it wants to convince, say, a court or the public about something. Plant the same "evidence" in multiple places in slightly different ways, and you can claim that it's being corroborated. Even more effective if intelligence agencies from multiple countries, like the US and its allies, are involved.

The "yellowcake uranium" evidence concerning Saddam Hussein's alleged efforts to get WMD is an example. This supposed evidence was relied on by the Bush administration to sell the war to the public and to the world. One of the pieces of evidence was a document that Italian intelligence sent to the US that later turned out to be forged. It was disseminated multiple times to the US by Italian intelligence. For all we know, it could well have just been a document they planted, in cooperation with western intelligence agencies. It was pretty much nothing more than an anonymous tip too. All used to drum up support for the Iraq War, by both the US and UK. Interestingly, the document made its first appearance in October 2001 - very shortly after 9/11.

The FBI probably used circular reporting in its FISA application for Carter Page. It cited a media report about the Steele dossier, treating the media report as separate corroborating evidence of the dossier itself. Of course, we don't know for certain whether the FBI knew that the media report was only based on the Steele dossier. But it seems likely the FBI would have known, or at the least they were being willfully blind to it. In the worst case scenario, they did it intentionally. And they were doing it with a former UK intelligence agent. We share a ton of intelligence with UK and Australia, so they probably knew about all this too.

If George Papadopoulos was set up in a sting operation, it's not circular reporting I guess but it's another kind of fake predicate. The FBI likely needed some sort of predicate beyond what they had on Trump/Russia in order to justify opening a formal investigation. Once they had an investigation going, it probably enlarged their investigative power and made it into an enduring thing. If it was a sting, they essentially manufactured a predicate. Oddly enough, Italian intelligence is right nearby to the story, since Mifsud was based in Rome. Mifsud was part owner of a university that trained western intelligence agents. Also, a reputable Italian newspaper is now reporting that, ever since Nov 2017 when Mifsud went to ground immediately after his identity went public, he has been living just a block from the US embassy in Rome.

*****
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 23 2019 00:51 GMT
#2
Bush lied. People died.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3264 Posts
April 23 2019 16:48 GMT
#3
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. That intelligence agencies aren't dumb and that government organizations have influence on media?
I mean Fox, NYT and CNN could hardly be more partisan if they tried, right? "Quality journalism" is 100 feet under if it ever existed.

I guess those are nice cases in point if true.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 23 2019 17:56 GMT
#4
On April 24 2019 01:48 Archeon wrote:
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. That intelligence agencies aren't dumb and that government organizations have influence on media?
I mean Fox, NYT and CNN could hardly be more partisan if they tried, right? "Quality journalism" is 100 feet under if it ever existed.

I guess those are nice cases in point if true.


Ultimately the point is that it is possible that the Intel agencies under Bush and Obama engaged in illegal misconduct by manufacturing fake predicates so that they could take further action on something.
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
April 23 2019 18:07 GMT
#5
Afraid they're gonna do stuff like this to attack Iran soon.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3264 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-25 17:56:09
April 25 2019 13:44 GMT
#6
On April 24 2019 02:56 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2019 01:48 Archeon wrote:
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. That intelligence agencies aren't dumb and that government organizations have influence on media?
I mean Fox, NYT and CNN could hardly be more partisan if they tried, right? "Quality journalism" is 100 feet under if it ever existed.

I guess those are nice cases in point if true.


Ultimately the point is that it is possible that the Intel agencies under Bush and Obama engaged in illegal misconduct by manufacturing fake predicates so that they could take further action on something.

Tbh my impression of intelligence agencies is that they collectively don't give a rats ass about law. A recent popular example would be that the NSA illegally observed thousands of US-citizens despite patriot act already giving them massive and imo unconstitutional powers.

Then there are all the cases where secret services stirr up shit in other countries proving that international law isn't worth the paper it's written on, so the Italian part would definitely fall under business as usual.

The only problem I see with your case was that the CIA without valid reason lied to the government they are supposed to serve, which imo is a serious crime. If the gov really didn't know/didn't get a report that is.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 27 2019 04:35 GMT
#7
The key to this is that if one western intelligence agency sends a cable to another containing some allegation, the latter has a predicate to initiate some sort of investigation within their own country.
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-10-13 00:33:48
October 13 2020 00:33 GMT
#8
Circular reporting at work.





Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
October 13 2020 11:59 GMT
#9
Included there:
FBI went to Democratic operatives for corroboration. It is pretty dumb to go with the party that financed the document to spread oppo against Trump in order to verify the information within.


And tweets cited by Australian newspapers become reporting from Australia.


It’s not even well hidden circular reporting, or partially defensible “accidental” circular reporting.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 2h 52m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 532
JuggernautJason131
Livibee 96
ForJumy 37
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 10372
Shuttle 357
NaDa 11
Counter-Strike
tarik_tv4879
Fnx 2539
fl0m1739
Super Smash Bros
Liquid`Ken22
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu429
Other Games
summit1g6845
Grubby6072
FrodaN1983
shahzam508
mouzStarbuck213
Harstem190
C9.Mang0173
ArmadaUGS131
Mew2King78
TKL 64
ViBE26
goblin16
minikerr3
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL502
Other Games
BasetradeTV152
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta17
• musti20045 12
• Reevou 9
• Adnapsc2 7
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 57
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota2781
League of Legends
• TFBlade561
Other Games
• imaqtpie1448
• Shiphtur261
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
2h 52m
CasterMuse Showmatch
10h 52m
Light vs Queen
WardiTV Winter Champion…
13h 52m
OSC
1d 1h
The PondCast
1d 11h
Replay Cast
2 days
Korean StarCraft League
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
SC Evo Complete
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-02-22
LiuLi Cup: 2025 Grand Finals
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
Acropolis #4 - TS5
Jeongseon Sooper Cup
Spring Cup 2026
WardiTV Winter 2026
PiG Sty Festival 7.0
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025

Upcoming

[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round
[S:21] ASL SEASON OPEN 2nd Round Qualifier
Acropolis #4 - TS6
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
RSL Revival: Season 4
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
FISSURE Playground #3
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.