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Old Man Ramblings: Spirit Vessel

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ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-25 15:13:26
October 25 2018 14:49 GMT
#1
Follow the journey of a thirty year old man as he slowly climbs solo mmr. He wanders onward not because he can, but because he must. Here he will complain about the youth of today and their misguided direction, strategy, and itemization. Here he will solve all misunderstandings about dotes.

old man meta

October was a good month for the climb. Dota is stale and broken and set. Lanes are predictable. 10th picks are swingy. But the throws are still true.

As the calendar turns to November, I’m a win from divine 2. Around 500 mmr higher than I was in September.

How can you climb as a senior citizen with your hands aching and your hair graying and your dreams drying up in your mind’s eye?

lets talk about spirit vessel

Side ramble about sticks incoming—

Idk how many threads I need to make about stick but seriously you should make one in like every game on almost every hero. Playing support and watching your lane partner make terrible item choices is the worst part. Like playing void vs brew and not buying a 200 gold item that salvages the lane.

As a support player, I like plays that can swing lanes and cause overcommitment. Magic stick is the easiest one to get and execute. If you are low, and they commit and dive you, burst heal and turn around is enough to win a bad lane. There’s no under 200g item that can do that (maybe salve if you are godly). That’s how you win games & lanes.

Anyway.

Spirit vessel. Okay, this is probably the best item in dota even after the nerfs. It gives so much for such an easy build up. Sustain wins solo games — it translates to objectives and gold advantage. Offensively, for 3k gold, it swings team fights hard. To the point where it makes unwinnable fights easy. Someone on your team needs this as quickly as possible every game without question. If you are a 5 it’s not ideal but it could be you.

Here’s a list of heroes vessel obliterates: alch, pudge, necro, brood, huskar, axe, bloodseeker, all blink initiators, all healing supports, all strength cores. Ench, jug, morph, dragon knight. Wisp, pugna, underlord. Undying.

faceless void. Oh man it fucks him over.

I had a game a week ago where I was lycan (I don’t usually play 1pos but sometimes it happens) and we were losing to a necro. My supports were rushing dumb items like blademail and blink so I made a vessel after book3. My team flamed me. But we crushed every fight because necro depends on his crazy regen.

but I’m playing xyz, I need to rush my {item}

Nope, you don’t, that why you are losing. Solved it. Buy this item before it’s reworked entirely. It’s gives you mana regen, a truckload of health, some armor, some MS, and a game winning active.

Your team 100% needs one, and you need someone who can use it properly (waiting for dispels, putting it on the right target, etc). Step it up.

why it’s so hard to play against

Vessel is easily obtainable on pretty much anyone. And it has to be played around or you will lose the fight. For example, necro might have to rush euls or BKB instead of straight radiance. A 4 or 5 position getting an item that changes how the enemy cores play their game is very important.

And it’s a snowball item. Once you get it, you are significantly stronger and you keep collecting charges. Charges that win fights.

next time

Old man will explain why everyone is wrong about handling broodmother
ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2864 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-25 22:33:58
October 25 2018 22:33 GMT
#2
Can I just say I am 100% there for your love of magic stick?

*edit* WHY IS IT NOT IN YOUR LIQUIDDOTA ITEM SLOTS?
linestein
Profile Blog Joined June 2018
United States210 Posts
October 26 2018 01:32 GMT
#3
I'm pretty old, too. Since you're just tipping thirty I thought I'd commiserate with you, here. Have no idea what you mean about Brood. The hero is no longer invisible, doesn't seem to move as fast, and seems to struggle mid. As if that weren't enough the maximum web count has been reduced as soon as they got worse.
"You can wish to be rich, you can wish to be tall. You can wish away the haters, you just gimme a call" ---Will Smith & DJ Khaled "Friend Like Me (End Title)"
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
October 26 2018 01:35 GMT
#4
On October 26 2018 07:33 ASoo wrote:
Can I just say I am 100% there for your love of magic stick?

*edit* WHY IS IT NOT IN YOUR LIQUIDDOTA ITEM SLOTS?


Will fix soon
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
October 26 2018 01:41 GMT
#5
On October 26 2018 10:32 linestein wrote:
I'm pretty old, too. Since you're just tipping thirty I thought I'd commiserate with you, here. Have no idea what you mean about Brood. The hero is no longer invisible, doesn't seem to move as fast, and seems to struggle mid. As if that weren't enough the maximum web count has been reduced as soon as they got worse.


53% wr divine, is a monster, will explain next post
ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2864 Posts
October 26 2018 19:01 GMT
#6
On October 26 2018 10:35 ahw wrote:
Will fix soon

Much better.
ThePianoDentist
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom698 Posts
October 30 2018 10:44 GMT
#7
I agree spirit vessel is still really good, but:

- if position 5 rushing it, it comes really, really late, especially against any enemy invis where have to spam sentries (seems like every game nowadays)
- some position 4's like earthshaker need blink so badly they cant really go vessel before blink

often forces it to be built on 1->3, but it doesnt improve farming speed at all, so a lot of cores dont want to go for it.

but I do like rushing it on spellcasting cores, like necro or pugna. you farm the creeps with your spells, the vit booster gives you some extra hp, and as you said, item is really really cost efficient

tl;dr I agree with you thats its very good and should be bought pretty much every game, was just adding some qualifiers as to where it's harder to just rush on any hero.
Brood War Protoss, SC2 Terran/Protoss
ThePianoDentist
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom698 Posts
October 30 2018 10:51 GMT
#8
also yeah brood mid is broken for people who know the hero really well.

it can farm ancients next to mid, plus the lane. so be multiple levels and thousand gold ahead of enemy mid, even if enemy mid plays pretty much perfectly.

if its brood vs someone bad against brood like tinker, invoker, the brood can just solo kill them over and over again once has spider army as low as level 3 i think.

then even if you put counter against her mid, like axe, tiny, kunkka etc. she can just ignore that hero, creep skip and ancients and outfarm them.

(the hero falls off quite a bit later on in game, kind of relies on being ahead on gold of enemies to be effective. so one or two stupid deaths, or misplays, and brood can throw the game. stops it from being totally OP, but its still really obnoxious for enemy midlaners especially)
Brood War Protoss, SC2 Terran/Protoss
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