• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:11
CEST 16:11
KST 23:11
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview4[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10
Community News
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !7Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base
Brood War
General
Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site Tulbo's ASL S21 Ro8 Post-Review Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps?
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Path of Exile OutLive 25 (RTS Game)
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1475 users

Esports Existentialism

Blogs > yamato77
Post a Reply
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 06 2018 00:04 GMT
#1
Life is, by its very nature, impermanent.

Nothing in this entire universe is built to last; entire volumes of speculative fiction and scientific research have put to word the excruciatingly real limits to existence, detailed in dry language the tragic inevitability of the heat death of what humanity understands as reality. Nothing lasts forever because everything is constantly undergoing change, all matter and energy is in a permanent state of flux - not even the hardest rock is devoid of instability.

All of that is to say, no matter how much I love video games and esports, it is, in the end, a fleeting endeavor.

-

I detailed my beginnings with esports in a blog post on teamliquid.net just two short years ago. In it, I touched on how video games shaped me from a young age, and how that evolved into what it has become now, a major part of my life that has dragged me across the United States to many new experiences I never thought I would have.

At that time, I was still in the infancy of my writing, still ironing out the kinks of my style, and just beginning to write about Dota 2, the game that has had the biggest impact on my life in recent years. Since then, I have been to two iterations of The International, taken thousands of photos of teams, players, and stadiums, and put to words the stories of some of the icons of the scene, people that will be remembered by those involved in the esport for years after they retire.

All of this work has been the most rewarding experience of my entire life. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that I have learned more about myself, about my ability to create than I have in the entire rest of my life. I’ve grown as an artist, expanded my repertoire of expression, and overcome personal faults to truly become a better person. It wasn’t all easy, but it was all important, and I wouldn’t have done it any other way.

This is the part where I say that I’m moving on from esports, that I no longer want to write about Dota 2, that I’ve learned what I’ve learned and now I’m going to do bigger, better things and achieve self-actualization making a difference in the world somehow, except…

That’s not true, is it?

-

Erick Wright, a YouTuber who has been making The Only Way to Play… guides on the platform for years now, recently released a video titled The Only Way to Play Dota 2 where he discussed, at varying intervals, his analysis of the final two games of The International 2018, his view on Dota 2’s long-term competitive viability, and his own experience as a fan of Dota 2 and more traditional sports. In the end, he announces that he’s going to be moving on, that he’s had a wonderful time with the game but he wants to make new content, and he hopes his audience will follow him down this new path.

The point of this video, however, is not so much an announcement, at least not to me. No, the reason I am writing this today is that at around the 35-minute mark, right after Erick has just shown OG’s victory in game 5 and the resultant celebration, he begins to ruminate on the reality that this game is temporary. Weaved throughout the video, Erick’s questions about the longevity of Dota 2 and the health of its scene for professional players culminate in this final question, what will happen to Dota 2 when the fans that support this wonderful, near-magical esport have, as so many have already, moved on?

Erick purports to give no answers to these questions, but some insight can be gained by looking to esports past, and how they have, or haven’t changed in the intermediate time. Perhaps the game most analogous to Dota 2, at least in the mind of the old guard Dota 2 community, is StarCraft: Brood War. I briefly mentioned that game’s importance to me when I was younger, but I never was an avid watcher of the esport - in its heyday, I was completely unaware of Korea’s leagues and their champions. Regardless, it is important to know that they existed for years, backed by a robust infrastructure of teams and sponsors that supported a large number of professionals for the time and helped develop young talent into future stars.

Looking at Brood War now, it’s a very different scene. Even in Korea, it is a shadow of its former incarnation, a single league ran by a streaming platform that largely features the aging cast of names that left the game years ago for its newer iteration StarCraft 2. Nonetheless, it is surviving, and that fact gives hope to older fans of Dota 2 - even if viewer numbers decline and large organizations leave the scene, the game could theoretically live on through the dedication of the fans and the most passionate players.

Unfortunately, Dota 2 has some major differences from Brood War that both help and hurt its case. First, and foremost, Dota 2 is, by design, not the unchanging stalwart of evolving metagame brilliance that Brood War is. Part of the resilience of Brood War as an esport and its ability to retain dedicated fans and players for almost two decades now lies in its evergreen nature, the fact that it is so mechanically demanding and strategically deep that it still sees adaptations in build orders and movements to this very day.

Part of that evolution, for sure, was due to the powerful map editor that came with the game that allowed the professional scene to experiment with different designs to see how changing the battlefield affected each of the three races and their matchups, effectively ushering in new strategies or forcing certain playstyles that best showed the creativity of the players.

Dota 2, however, has undergone much more drastic and sweeping changes since its inception, and that is both its greatest strength and its greatest weakness. Design philosophy on multiplayer games has shifted dramatically in the years since Brood War was released, games no longer receive one or two expansions and an editor, they are instead regularly updated at varying intervals in an effort to retain players by providing a fresh experience with changes to the game that promise to keep it from becoming stale. Some of these changes are aimed at professional players, toning down strategies that have become dominant in an effort to balance the game and provide strategic depth and diversity to the scene, at least on paper.

There is, of course, an inherent conflict in the idea of changing a game solely to say you’ve changed it so people keep playing, and changing a game so that people who compete in it play on fair terms. Erick discusses this, too, in his video, but he stops short of understanding the true depth of this dichotomy and its relationship with the health of the professional scene.

A piece that I think does explore this dichotomy, at least somewhat, is one by a former teamliquid.net/LiquidDota writer Ver titled League of the Ancients 2. It was, at the time, a controversial piece that argued against the comeback gold mechanics introduced into the game with patch 6.82 by analyzing their effect on both pub matches and professional play. In summary, while the comeback mechanics may have solved a problem in pub play by making every game feel winnable at all stages, it changed how professional players played the game in such a drastic way that its effects are still prevalent in the current metagame, two years after the article was published.

These sorts of changes to the game both help and hurt player retention. For the every-day player, having a new experience with every new patch is a welcome treat, but for returning players or fans of the esport, having your understanding of the game undermined by radical shifts to the core mechanics of the game on a regular basis diminishes enjoyment and makes every stint away from the game longer and more difficult to come back from. These varying reactions can be seen in the comments to the article, with many agreeing with his points and others crying foul.

In today’s video game market, there are more titles than ever that compete for the finite amount of attention that players have to give them, so much so that the influx of games has reached a problematic point, becoming a hot-button issue in games journalism and for digital storefronts like Steam that hosts Dota 2. It’s becoming rarer and rarer to dedicate all of your time to a single game as a player nowadays.

The value that multiplayer games like Dota 2 have is in their community. Even single-player games are tapping into the power that shared experience has, but games like Dota 2 quite literally live and die on their playerbase. The game is free-to-play, and its continued development requires that players like me continue to invest in crowdfunding efforts for The International every year so that its service model can sustain it. The esport is even more inextricably tied to the community, with The International prize pool being such a large portion of the overall money in the game, alongside the need for viewership that drives esports tournament metrics used to convince sponsors to invest in the scene.

Thus, we arrive at the dichotomy. Dota 2 needs its playerbase to continue playing the game and contributing to the prizepool and watching the tournaments, so it continually updates the game to draw them in and keep them there. For professional players, however, these updates are disruptive to their livelihood as competitors. This past season saw the game patched on 2-week cycles for much of the year, and players resoundingly hated it by the end, many calling for the patches to return to being more spaced out so that they would have more time to adapt to new changes.

One could argue endlessly about whether or not the patches were “good for the game” or not, but the ultimate point is that there is a conflict of interest at the heart of Dota 2, where the ever-changing nature of the game is inevitably going to leave some players behind, even as it struggles to retain the ones it has. The writing is on the wall, so to speak, but that’s not the whole story, either.

-

I stated some number of paragraphs ago that I view Dota 2 as perhaps the most important game in my life. Much of this piece has been meandering, but that is purposeful. I… don’t know how I feel about the game. I’ve played more since The International 2018 than in the entire year between it and TI7, but I’ve never felt more distance between myself and the game. It certainly isn’t the one I fell in love with years ago, or even the one that inspired me to write about its competitors and their exploits in and out of the game.

The professional structure itself has changed, an effort to bring sustainability and stability to a scene that has been defined by its roster swaps and last-minute trades that have changed the outcomes of countless tournaments and provided narratives that drive fans and players to find meaning outside of the server. In the end, perhaps that meaning is more important than anything, perhaps that truth, the understanding forged between the professional players and the members of the community that call themselves the fans of Dota 2, is the only important thing.

Dota 2 will never be to me what it once was. I am, undoubtedly, one of those players that the game has left behind - whether you feel the same way or not, that is a truth that you cannot deny, because it is something that I feel that I cannot shake off. I may never truly leave Dota 2 behind, but this is certainly one of the last things I write about it for some time. It may yet draw me back in, mesmerize me once more with the mechanical mastery of its truest devotees being put on display for all to see with everything on the line.

If not, I want to say this in closing. To everyone I have played Dota 2 with in the past, thank you for the experiences we shared together. To everyone I’ve met at The International the past two years, and especially to those I’ve had drinks with, I’ll never forget my time in Seattle or Vancouver, and I might even see you in Shanghai. Who knows! This game, and the people around it have had immeasurable value to me in my life. May that shared experience be the heart of our memories of this esport, even if it dies tomorrow.

(Cross-posted to LiquidDota and Medium)

*****
Writer@WriterYamato
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-08 14:04:26
October 08 2018 13:56 GMT
#2
first of all, thank you for writing, now and before.

i will briefly say that i've read a lot of your articles and it should go without saying that the effort won't go unappreciated.
you have gone through much more than most fans of the game will ever experience.

i think there always was and there always will be a conflict of interest at the heart of DotA 2 and for almost all games for that matter. i believe part of it has to do with the newness of something when you first touch your hands on a game and climb the learning curve to your utmost ability. you learn a whole bunch of stuff, then it is phased out and forgotten when it's changed.

what i try and tell myself when i go into a game fresh and excited, is that there is no better or worse player than myself in terms of potential, and that i'll eventually leave the game having learned something.
most often it is something profound that translates to real life but sometimes it is something very specific to the game, only to be understood by someone who shared the experience at some point with their gameplay.

i think for most people, finalizing the transition from a game to something else (maybe even another game) is much more rare in the form of what you or erick did with self-reflection. most players like me quit without saying a word.
it doesn't even come as an afterthought. something comes up in life, or interest is phased out all on its own.
it shows that you cared about something simply by the fact that you are talking about it even if it was once your job to do it.

eventually, the thought of learning something from every game played this way, and the thought of being able to take something good away from every gaming experience is also changed. i would say it's different from person to person, but that much is obvious. what i mean is that we more or less always know that a game is a waste of time and effort.
but some of us also expect to gain a lot in unexpected and surprising ways.

i will always not look at a game with concrete goals or restrictive thoughts.
i also will not wander thoughtlessly or try and stumble into success; for competitive games that includes hoping your opponents are bad at the wrong times.
the one and only goal is to share the passion of being able to express yourself through a game.
like you say, mechanical skill and knowhow is displayed to at least 9 other people in a game like this.
before and at the very inception of pro-gaming, we played just to have fun and beat each other once in a while--to rank each other based on how we do.

now it has grown to be something more important because through high level play we can communicate ideas and struggle with problem solving all the way until it becomes a livable profession.

and frankly, that is possible through almost all games now, it had always been possible, just not seen or felt until enough people were involved.
you're right that when a game dies slowly, it loses traction everywhere. everything seems smaller and makes less sense to do. i felt this with every game i had ever played and made sure to jump onto the most popular games at the time to refresh on the highs of passion and discovery.

but not anymore, because i understand finally that everything is a factor of yourself and your opponents.
your perception of something (and your hopes at times), the company you keep, and the way you hold yourself goes with every single thing that you do, even when you are your only witness.
as long as that is intact you are immensely valuable to every community or game lobby you get yourself into--i'm sure will be the case for yourself as you find yourself doing other things and spending your time differently with age.

so good luck, but know that you will be missed.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-10 00:44:30
October 10 2018 00:43 GMT
#3
Keep in touch mate. TL has been a wonderful place. and i think it will continue to be. Maybe your role changes, but i hope you still stick around.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
SC Evo League
13:00
StarCraft Evolution League #22
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko623
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 49387
Sea 14301
Calm 9121
Horang2 1700
Mini 943
BeSt 809
EffOrt 770
firebathero 419
Soulkey 270
Zeus 152
[ Show more ]
Mind 134
Last 126
ggaemo 106
Sharp 105
ToSsGirL 71
HiyA 67
Hyun 67
Backho 57
PianO 56
sorry 54
Aegong 51
hero 43
Shinee 38
Noble 22
Rock 21
yabsab 20
GoRush 16
IntoTheRainbow 14
Sacsri 10
scan(afreeca) 8
Icarus 4
Dota 2
Gorgc6783
XcaliburYe319
BananaSlamJamma84
Counter-Strike
fl0m3163
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor238
Other Games
gofns15892
singsing2365
B2W.Neo1406
DeMusliM552
Happy291
Hui .201
monkeys_forever133
mouzStarbuck115
Mew2King103
Livibee80
KnowMe64
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2346
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 484
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 15
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP8
• Dystopia_ 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2633
• Jankos1595
Other Games
• WagamamaTV248
• Shiphtur91
Upcoming Events
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
49m
BSL
4h 49m
Artosis vs TerrOr
spx vs StRyKeR
Replay Cast
9h 49m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19h 49m
RSL Revival
19h 49m
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
21h 49m
ByuN vs Rogue
Solar vs Ryung
Zoun vs Percival
Cure vs SHIN
BSL
1d 4h
Dewalt vs DragOn
Aether vs Jimin
GSL
1d 17h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 19h
Soma vs Leta
Wardi Open
1d 21h
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Light vs Flash
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W6
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026: Closed Qualifier
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.