• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:57
CEST 03:57
KST 10:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments0[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon9[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview12
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes60BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch0Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy SpeCial on The Tasteless Podcast
Tourneys
SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around
Brood War
General
Soulkey on ASL S20 ASL20 General Discussion BW General Discussion ASL TICKET LIVE help! :D NaDa's Body
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D [ASL20] Ro16 Group C Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Borderlands 3 Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
i'm really bored guys
Peanutsc
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
The Personality of a Spender…
TrAiDoS
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1599 users

Recap of my first 3 games against krasi0 (T)

Blogs > TS
Post a Reply
TS
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia39 Posts
June 03 2018 12:02 GMT
#1
kasi0 is one of the strongest bots to appear out of Student StarCraft AI Tournament (SSCAIT). Setting up a game against it is very easy thanks to a launcher provided by its developer. To actually run SC it uses Chaos Launcher (therefore SC v1.16). It's a Terran bot, which is excellent, because ZvT is a MU I've always struggled with the most. To record my gameplay I used Twitch. But, unlike Remastered, in 1.16 I've had to play in windowed mode in order for the game to render correctly on stream. That's unfortunate and a handicap for me, but I'll work it out in the future.

Anyway, all games were played on Destination and MU was ZvT.

Game 1


I open 12H with the plan being to play as standard as I know how to. I decide I wouldn't bother with mutas though, since I'm really not used to windowed mode. I send my first Overlord directly to his natural. As the Hatchery in my expansion finishes there is still no sign of his scouting SCV. But my Overlord does get a glimpse of something else moving out of his base - Marines! That seemed a little odd. In retrospect, I should have known what that meant.

Sure enough, as my first 6 lings were crossing one of the bridges out of my natural I bump into Marines. Oh, crap. I try to lure them away, or, failing that, pick a few off. They aren't controlled like how a human would control them, they move much more individually and carelessly. However there are too many, I lose a few drones and my lings so I fall back to my ramp where I start a Creep Colony. I stall with lings until my Sunken finishes, counting on the AI not to be able to run Marines up the ramp while they are being attacked. Luckily for me, that prediction is correct; one Sunken and a few lings stop his rush completely.

[image loading]
Years of playing Sunken Defense finally paying off! <3


I starting droning and teching to Lurkers, assuming reclaiming my natural wouldn't be a problem with them. Especially since I don't see any medics with those Marines that are dancing restlessly in my nat. Krasi0 still hasn't taken his nat and my Overlord has only been seeing Marines moving out. I guess he's stuck in some rush loop so I have all the time in the world to macro up and tech inside my base.

When my Lurkers finish I move out and quickly retake my natural. Now having Lurkers burrowed behind the bridges I feel perfectly safe. Siege Tanks do eventually come, but at that point I already have Dark Swarm so my lings just pick those off. At this point krasi0 still hasn't even expanded to his natural. As a few more of my Hatcheries finish I start macroing units and sending them towards his base. He quickly ggs.

1-0

Game 2


I start with 9 pool speedlings, with the idea being that I'll abuse the way he micros Marines, or at least apply some pressure on him. However he makes a bunker on top of his ramp...

[image loading]
That doesn't look like a ling tight wall to me.. DOH


- which discourages me from any sort of harass so I focus on expanding quickly instead. I also tech to Lurkers with the idea of containing him. That works great and gives me a lot of time to macro, with only issue being random Wraiths that pretty carelessly wonder over my bases and kill my drones.

Kasi0 breaks my contain soon enough, having amassed infantry (which now includes Medics!), Tanks and Science Vessels. Even an odd Wraith and Vulture accompany that strange and scary army of his. Truly I underestimated his macro and the danger I was in. His units move out of the Dark Swarms I cast while a part of his Marines branches off to attack my 3rd expansion and make short work of it.

My Defilers get Irradiated and I have no Scourges to get rid of the pesky Vessels. I really come apart under his pressure and my attempts at fighting back continue failing so I am soon forced to resign.

1-1

Unfortunately, I lose the replay straight away. But here are a couple of screenshots from BWChart for our first game. (Right Click -> View Image to see it in full size.)

[image loading]
3000 max APM signals a very kimchi heavy diet, imo.

Having the roughly same distribution of select commands as a human would is rather interesting, I think. Apart from the purple move command and the 0x91 command, nothing seems out of the ordinary. Of course, the AI doesn't use unit groups.

[image loading]
"0x91"? Was he trying to dial 911 when my lings entered his base? kekeke


After mourning the loss of that replay, and, well.. the decisive loss of the actual game against the AI, I set on playing Game 3.

Game 3


I open with 12H and again get visited by his scouting SCV (like in g2, and unlike the first game we played). My Overload scouts his FE and a defensive bunker he places behind the two bridges that lead to his natural.

This time the bunker doesn't scare my lings. I run out of its range and then give running my lings into his base a try.

[image loading]
keke, don't mind us.. we're just passing through!


My assumption that the AI wouldn't understand the importance of blocking its ramp from lings proves correct. The 8 speedlings then basically won me the game.

krasi0 actually gged when my Lurkers got into his natural expansion.

2-1

Conclusion


This was amazing! These matches got me really exciting about playing vs AI and using them for practice and for fun games. I'm really interested in how they will continue to grow in strength. Also, it would be really cool and interesting to hear from devs of the bots.

Thanks for reading.

Oh, and if anyone is interested in watching the stream - here it is (sorry for bad production quality).
G1 starts @ 12:27
G2 starts @ 29:15
G3 starts @ 54:56


*****
krasi0
Profile Joined March 2014
Germany21 Posts
June 07 2018 10:24 GMT
#2
Hey, man! Thanks for that match summary!

I am always happy to watch / read about some human players' gaming experiences against the BW AI I have created.
Destination is one of the hardest maps for AIs due to the bridges and the backdoor to the main base. Typically, bots play better on maps like Fighting Spirit, Python, etc. My bot in particular is kinda vulnerable to early aggression like that zerglings bunker runby you mentioned.
With regards to the marine only rush, it's mostly a meme build used to just spice things up a little bit.

Please let me know if you have any ideas on how to improve the playing experience and if you plan to stream any more games.

Keep up the good work! Thanks!
TS
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Croatia39 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-10 07:00:20
June 10 2018 06:58 GMT
#3
Mr. krasi0! Hello and thanks for stopping by!

Ahh, so what you said about Destination makes total sense. I've switched to playing your bot on Python now.

Like I said, I still really enjoy playing vs your bot, especially early in the morning when there aren't enough players online on bnet Europe to practice with.

I will make another post with more of my thoughts on krasi0's play.
krasi0
Profile Joined March 2014
Germany21 Posts
June 12 2018 12:21 GMT
#4
Cool! Looking forward to your new post!
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 3m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft476
RuFF_SC2 142
CosmosSc2 65
Vindicta 39
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 669
Shuttle 554
Light 173
Aegong 101
NaDa 21
ajuk12(nOOB) 17
Dota 2
monkeys_forever811
NeuroSwarm159
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K446
Fnx 387
PGG 75
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0378
Mew2King62
Other Games
summit1g6552
shahzam888
JimRising 607
Trikslyr59
Nina47
ViBE32
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH116
• davetesta33
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 20
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift4720
Other Games
• Scarra1124
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
8h 3m
Zoun vs Classic
Map Test Tournament
9h 3m
Korean StarCraft League
1d 1h
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
1d 6h
RSL Revival
1d 8h
Reynor vs Cure
BSL Open LAN 2025 - War…
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Online Event
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
LiuLi Cup
5 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-09-10
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL World Championship of Poland 2025
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.