• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 12:07
CET 18:07
KST 02:07
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15[BSL21] Ro.16 Group Stage (C->B->A->D)4Weekly Cups (Nov 17-23): Solar, MaxPax, Clem win3RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13
StarCraft 2
General
Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Maestros of the Game: Live Finals Preview (RO4) BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win SC2 Proleague Discontinued; SKT, KT, SGK, CJ disband
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest RSL Revival: Season 3 Tenacious Turtle Tussle
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation
Brood War
General
Data analysis on 70 million replays BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Which season is the best in ASL? [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO16 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? Current Meta PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread The Perfect Game Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread The Big Programming Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Where to ask questions and add stream? The Automated Ban List
Blogs
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Esports Earnings: Bigger Pri…
TrAiDoS
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1426 users

Played some Middle-Earth: Shadow of War

Blogs > BEARDiaguz
Post a Reply
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
October 15 2017 03:32 GMT
#1
Or 'Uruks must die'





This was going to be a discussion of Cuphead but after an hour of play my arm hurt from constantly holding down the ‘fire’ button. I’m sure it’s a fine game, half the internet seems to think so, but I draw the line at games physically assaulting me. There’s no option to keep the button held down indefinitely and taping the button down on my controller seemed like cheating so off to Steam’s refund you go. It’s certainly challenging but I’ve found I don’t savour hard games as much as I used to. I suspect years of progaming have ruined the sense of satisfaction from defeating a game’s challenge; if I can’t tell me mum about my achievement with a deserved sense of pride then what’s the point? Anyway, instead I’ll talk about the sequel to ‘Middle-Earth™: Shadow of Mordor™’: ‘Middle-Earth™: Shadow of War™’. Too cool for 2’s, eh lads? Or is it that marketing decided that putting ‘of war’ in a game’s title vastly increases sales? (to the ire of critics of game titles, but alas) In any case a pretty good game from 2014 has a sequel, though in truth it’s more of a remastering. SoM’s 3rd act implied large scale battles and army management but since the budget ran out around this point what really happened was a perplexingly hurried series of boss fights. With SoW, developers Monolith Studios have set out to correct all this.

We start where we left off. Our hero Talion and his morally dubious ghost pal Celebrimbor have, in their quest to defeat the Dark Lord Sauron, fashioned their own Last Ring of Power. Since, you know, the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a Last Ring of Power is a good guy with a Last Ring of Power (that scraping sound you hear is JRR Tolkien’s bones centrifuging within his runed Elfgrave). It gets taken away from us early on by Shelob, seen here as a shapechanging prophetess who is only sometimes a spider (keep twirling Tolkien), but before too long we get it back to do what the first game promised; mind control a legion of disposable monster people and use them to fight other monster people. Themes of doing wicked things to wicked forces is a far cry from Lord of the Ring’s established remit of wholesome Good vs loathsome Evil, but hey I’m all for mucking around in canon, particularly if it can make a video game more interesting. Which kind of works and kind of doesn’t with these Shadow Of games.

What works is that Talion is fucking amazingly good at killing orks. You can run up and twat them to death with a sword, sneak about and slit them up with a knife all stealthy like, shoot them with arrows like a wuss, blow up their alcohol to burn them to death, set giant wolves and other monsters on them or just dominate their minds and turn them against each other. Orks are a lot like Nazis in that you can depict their brutal slaughter as an endless kaleidoscope of severed limbs and death, all set to anguished screams of intense pain, and the player still considers themselves the morally upright party. It gets a bit tricky when Ork officers start showing up but thanks to Talion’s extreme parkour ability you can always escape to heal up and plan the next move. Most of the game revolves around sorting out these officers and while it’s not exactly difficult per se I find myself thinking very quickly on my feet while cool things are happening. Diving into a horde of Orks and having to improvise your way out is all rather exhilarating, pretty much like it was in SoM.

What doesn’t work so much is the whole Championship Manager: Mordor Edition stuff. Once the game opens up proper an element of army management is introduced. There’s four regions guarded by Sauron’s forts and you gotta take ‘em over by dominating some Ork Captains and leading them in battle. For one thing there’s hardly any actual leadership involved, you just run around murdering while your lads figure it out for themselves. There’s a lot of sidequestery available to level up your crew but why would you bother upgrading the lads you currently have when it’s quicker and easier to just get the newer better model (clearly Sauron’s been taking lessons from Apple Computers, living up to the Dark Lord moniker I see)? Truth be told it’s a fairly minor embuggerence, I’m more just left confounded that a game that’s pretty good at focusing on the stabby murder element wants to do other things too. I guess we just have to accept a certain degree of bloat with big budget games.

There’s some other shit I’d like to bitch about, so please indulge me further. Talion desperately needs a ‘Shut the Fuck up’ button. Not for himself but for the orks. Every time you meet a Captain he’s called something like Andy Dickfucker and before you can kill him you gotta listen to his spiel about how he's gonna fuck your dick with his sword. For gameplay that revolves around rhythmic flow these constant disruptions (particularly in the siege battles where this can happen like 15 times) get really irritating. It’s actually kind of impressive just how many little Ork personalities and dialogues there are but I desperately wished for a button that tells them to just shut the fuck up. I’m going to chop off your arms and legs in a minute we can skip the introductions. I also feel sorry for the lead story writer who’s been told “write a fascinating fantasy tale about some dudes fighting Sauron in a Lord of the Rings prequel”, although I would add that’s no excuse for every character being a boring pile of paradoxically overwritten yet under characterised shit (if you removed every line of dialogue where someone comments a thing is beginning and/or ending I’m pretty sure you’ve trimmed about half the script).

I was looking forward to being all positive about SoW but then Act 4 began and, alas, everything turned to bullshit. Some major plot points have developed and the game’s lurching to a climactic finish but first we need to win what the game calls the Shadow Wars (I thought we were the Shadow of War but really it’s about the Shadow Wars, as fought by people who are not shadows. Yeah don’t think about it you’ll hurt yourself). Those forts we took over now need to be defended, and to do that an identical siege battle needs to be fought roughly, and this is not an exaggeration, thirty times. Thirty times do we arrange our defenders, thirty times I go through the same motions, thirty times does an identical group of warchiefs need to be sliced apart. Fuck. Right. Off. There’s no way the developers thought this was a good idea. Nobody could think this is a good idea. And the only reason I can imagine for why this is the way it is? To push Lootchests. How this works is that, if playing the game is too much work for you, you can toss the developers a fiver for a box of items and followers to save some time. You can use the ingame currency to do this (which you should since there’s nothing else to spend it on) or you can use actual money. On a videogame you’ve already paid like 60 USD for.

...What the fuck? For one thing, this is a tacit admission from the developers that you should pay them not to have to play their game. Moreover though, this recent trend of putting paid lootboxes in games really needs to fuck off. I can’t imagine anybody who bought some of these and didn’t feel ripped off (here, have some equipment that’ll be underlevelled in a few hours! Hahah!). Sure you can just ignore them, which I fully intended to do, but once their inclusion affected the game’s design in such a way as to artificially lengthen it beyond a reasonable amount, a line has been crossed. I’m a defender of games as a legitimate means of creative expression, art if you will, and atop those battlements I’ll fight ‘til from my bones my flesh be hacked, but bullshit like this stands as a most effective counter argument. The game turned from a jolly adventure to something akin to a fruit machine (or pokie, or whatever Americans call them). If a game wants to monetise itself around extra content or unobtrusive cosmetic features I can just ignore then that’s fine. That’s acceptable. Gaming has accepted these things. But dangling closure over our heads in this manner just in order to milk a few twenty’s from our money-teats is just not fucking on.

When I realised when was happening I put the controller down and refused to go on. I'll just assume Talion and Sauron settle their differences over a merry game of billiards. It is for this reason that not only would I not recommend ME: SoW, I actively wish for it to fail. I don’t usually wish for games to fail since that means innocent developers losing their jobs and that realisation sure does take the freude out of schadenfreude, but this sort of bullshit represents a truly abominable threshold that I would hate to see crossed. Don’t give Monolith/Warner Brothers money for this. Just play SoM, it’s fun for all the same reasons, and whilst I don’t condone piracy in this instance I’d judge it the lesser of two evils. This can’t be the future of big budget videogamery, or we’re all fucked. I almost wish I had a physical copy so I could convince eight friends to accompany me to a volcano to hurl it into. Or just smash it with a hammer, that’d work too.


*****
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
Phil0s0pher
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia317 Posts
October 15 2017 06:07 GMT
#2
Good work mate, treat yourself to a cider.
Sometimes I remember that there will be a day where herO and Maru retire. And I get sad
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
October 15 2017 08:48 GMT
#3
mobile games are just vehicles for microtransactions, that's why they're widely regarded as trash. traditional games are going the exact same route, yet they still have the $60 price tag and $60 season pass and 3 $15 dlc. and the games still suck compared to games 10 or 20 years ago. what a joke, just buy indie, they're the only games worth even considering nowadays.

and don't give the developers a pass on all of this, they're the ones that signed their contracts with the publishers. they're more than likely financially incentivized in a big way to fuck over the game for the sake of microtransactions.

and people playing games and claiming that you don't have time so you want to pay to get ahead.. what a nightmare inducing post consumerist concept: paying extra just for the privilege of pretending like you have actually played the game. devs must love when they don't have to make an actual game, because people will just pay extra for the right to not play at all!! no wonder all the 10/10s keep coming in
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
October 15 2017 22:44 GMT
#4
Haha good read. Yeah I don't have the stomach for big budget games these days either... Hard to justify spending so much money and time on something that is soulless and a chore.
Corvuuss
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Austria354 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-10-15 22:52:32
October 15 2017 22:47 GMT
#5
On October 15 2017 17:48 Endymion wrote:
and don't give the developers a pass on all of this, they're the ones that signed their contracts with the publishers. they're more than likely financially incentivized in a big way to fuck over the game for the sake of microtransactions.


I think the incentive is financial in either you put it in, or you won't get payed at all. I've heard from varied sources (though I don't know which anymore and this might make my argument invalid, but if you think about it, it might be true), that developers are not really treated well by publish like forcing them to bring stuff in the game they don't want (i.e.: Microtransactions).

Developers design the game mecanichs, design and do all this. The publishers are there to interfere (not always for the worse). It is close to how movies are made, a really good movie premise could be terrible if the studio is interfering too much.
I am a slave of Golden from now on. Obey a supreme leader of StarCraft 2 or you get banned. I am really glad to be citizen of Democratic republic of Golden.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
October 16 2017 15:12 GMT
#6
On October 16 2017 07:47 Corvuuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2017 17:48 Endymion wrote:
and don't give the developers a pass on all of this, they're the ones that signed their contracts with the publishers. they're more than likely financially incentivized in a big way to fuck over the game for the sake of microtransactions.


I think the incentive is financial in either you put it in, or you won't get payed at all. I've heard from varied sources (though I don't know which anymore and this might make my argument invalid, but if you think about it, it might be true), that developers are not really treated well by publish like forcing them to bring stuff in the game they don't want (i.e.: Microtransactions).

Developers design the game mecanichs, design and do all this. The publishers are there to interfere (not always for the worse). It is close to how movies are made, a really good movie premise could be terrible if the studio is interfering too much.


i'm just imagining a publisher being like "look, we'll give you residuals on microtransactions if you design them so that they're optimally effective" to developer management.
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
October 24 2017 08:47 GMT
#7
Pretty good game beyond the loot boxes. I just got up to mind-controlling orcs
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
StarCraft2.fi
17:00
15V Cup / Groups Day 3
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 520
Fuzer 307
BRAT_OK 74
gerald23 63
MindelVK 23
SpeCial 19
Livibee 15
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3436
Shuttle 1215
Mini 711
EffOrt 499
Larva 314
Rush 251
Light 151
hero 89
Hyun 86
Dewaltoss 47
[ Show more ]
ToSsGirL 28
Aegong 21
soO 18
Terrorterran 17
Rock 15
scan(afreeca) 15
Dota 2
Gorgc6014
qojqva4021
singsing2712
Dendi1134
syndereN356
Counter-Strike
zeus328
chrisJcsgo47
kRYSTAL_19
Other Games
DeMusliM1858
hiko856
FrodaN663
Hui .168
Liquid`VortiX135
QueenE90
KnowMe68
Trikslyr47
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 20
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 17
• FirePhoenix6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV533
League of Legends
• TFBlade1312
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
6h 53m
The PondCast
16h 53m
OSC
22h 53m
Demi vs Mixu
Nicoract vs TBD
Babymarine vs MindelVK
ForJumy vs TBD
Shameless vs Percival
Replay Cast
1d 6h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
WardiTV 2025
2 days
SC Evo League
2 days
BSL 21
3 days
Sziky vs OyAji
Gypsy vs eOnzErG
OSC
3 days
Solar vs Creator
ByuN vs Gerald
Percival vs Babymarine
Moja vs Krystianer
EnDerr vs ForJumy
sebesdes vs Nicoract
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
WardiTV 2025
3 days
OSC
3 days
BSL 21
4 days
Bonyth vs StRyKeR
Tarson vs Dandy
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
StarCraft2.fi
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
WardiTV 2025
5 days
StarCraft2.fi
5 days
PiGosaur Monday
6 days
StarCraft2.fi
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-30
RSL Revival: Season 3
Light HT

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
Slon Tour Season 2
Acropolis #4 - TS3
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
Kuram Kup
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.