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TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-21 19:22:40
December 21 2015 19:22 GMT
#21
I *generally* agree with a lot of the issues you have with the movie. But the prequel lightsaber fights were awful. Just awful. The combatants always seem to be more interested in showing off neat moves than actually killing each other (because Lucas wanted them to show off neat moves). The two best examples of this are the TPM Maul/Qui-gon/Obi-wan and RotS Obi-wan/Anakin lightsaber fights which are just vapid emotionless ballet dancing.
Gullis
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden740 Posts
December 21 2015 19:46 GMT
#22
I think maul vs obi and qui was the best fight , the spinning fitted mauls style. But other than that I agree with you.
But if one is gonna be critical of those moment you also have to be critical of certain no look, no scope mlg headshots by Fin and Han, not to mention some of the flying maneuvers.
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NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
December 21 2015 20:11 GMT
#23
I actually watched the prequell lightsaber duels because of this blog. They are as bad as I remember, some even worse.

Look at the 03:00 mark of this clip to have a laugh. LOL. Wtf is that?

sorry for dem one liners
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 21 2015 20:15 GMT
#24
On December 22 2015 05:11 NukeD wrote:
I actually watched the prequell lightsaber duels because of this blog. They are as bad as I remember, some even worse.

Look at the 03:00 mark of this clip to have a laugh. LOL. Wtf is that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xP3fI7yn5s

Now that you brought it up, this fight reminds me of the Peter vs Chicken fights in Family Guy more than Star Wars.
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mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4504 Posts
December 21 2015 20:36 GMT
#25
On December 22 2015 05:15 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2015 05:11 NukeD wrote:
I actually watched the prequell lightsaber duels because of this blog. They are as bad as I remember, some even worse.

Look at the 03:00 mark of this clip to have a laugh. LOL. Wtf is that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xP3fI7yn5s

Now that you brought it up, this fight reminds me of the Peter vs Chicken fights in Family Guy more than Star Wars.

This is a valid point.
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NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
December 21 2015 20:44 GMT
#26
On December 22 2015 05:15 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2015 05:11 NukeD wrote:
I actually watched the prequell lightsaber duels because of this blog. They are as bad as I remember, some even worse.

Look at the 03:00 mark of this clip to have a laugh. LOL. Wtf is that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xP3fI7yn5s

Now that you brought it up, this fight reminds me of the Peter vs Chicken fights in Family Guy more than Star Wars.

Hahhahhaahha yeah definitelly. Good catch.
sorry for dem one liners
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
December 21 2015 21:50 GMT
#27
i disagree with you guys on the anakin vs obiwan fight. what's wrong with them being caught in a motion? haven't you ever seen end game BW ZvT, where there are massive mech lines vs zerg and the two players can't immediately attack because the situation doesn't call for it? or haven't you ever watched professional GO players, where there can be move chains that are derived from positioning that go on for dozens of turns, just from pure momentum? from the EU, obiwan is meant to be one of the most powerful living jedi masters (when it comes to dueling), and anakin is no different.. they also trained together for like 10 years.. if anything the stagnation of the fight is meant to show just how good each character is at what they're doing, and how well they're reading their opponent.. personally, i think episode 3 is the best starwars movie by a long shot, i think it blows empire strikes back out of the water. anakin and obiwan are much more compelling characters than luke and vader.
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 21 2015 22:20 GMT
#28
On December 22 2015 05:11 NukeD wrote:
I actually watched the prequell lightsaber duels because of this blog. They are as bad as I remember, some even worse.

Look at the 03:00 mark of this clip to have a laugh. LOL. Wtf is that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xP3fI7yn5s


Still better then OT and Force Awakens lightsaber duels in terms of action wise. I didn't know people even complained about the prequel lightsaber fights, people bitch about anything prequel related.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
December 21 2015 23:10 GMT
#29
The point you're missing is that it's not the quality of the swordplay that really matters. If that's all that's important, then Darth Maul's battle is by far the best because the actor actually knows fencing.

What's important is the story that the battle tells. Why are the characters fighting, and what's at stake here? The prequels have a rather generic "good vs. evil" story in that sense, while each of the OT battles has more depth than that (master vs. student, son vs. father on Bespin, Luke's fully realized Jedi power against Jabba, son vs. father again on the Death Star). The Obi-Wan vs. Anakin, Anakin vs. Dooku part 2, and Yoda vs. Dooku fights all had the potential for this kind of interaction, but instead to their detriment they focused on choreography and flashy effects. And a lot of the others were just childish action sequences with little to no deeper meaning, such as Grievous vs. Obi-Wan.

Finn vs. Ren showed a frightened nobody fighting and barely holding on against a wounded but extremely destructive dark Jedi. Rey vs. Ren showed Rey realizing her Force power and using it to defend against the same. Both the Vader vs. Luke duels were better for sure, but I'd say it's significantly better than Vader vs. Obi-Wan, which was still of higher quality story-wise than most if not all of the prequel duels.
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
December 22 2015 00:36 GMT
#30
If you pause the obi-wan vs anakin fight at 3:18 obiwan has a clear shot at any part of anakin's body but chooses instead to hit the saber
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DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-22 04:51:53
December 22 2015 02:29 GMT
#31
For me, Star Wars has always been brain dead space fantasy stupidity that was fun. The prequels were not fun, tried to be deep in the way a high school kid would go about it, and simply had atrocious acting and dialogue with unlikeable characters.

This movie really wasn't that good, but at least it was the funnish type of junk Star Wars.
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
December 22 2015 06:43 GMT
#32
On December 22 2015 06:50 Endymion wrote:
i disagree with you guys on the anakin vs obiwan fight. what's wrong with them being caught in a motion? haven't you ever seen end game BW ZvT, where there are massive mech lines vs zerg and the two players can't immediately attack because the situation doesn't call for it? or haven't you ever watched professional GO players, where there can be move chains that are derived from positioning that go on for dozens of turns, just from pure momentum? from the EU, obiwan is meant to be one of the most powerful living jedi masters (when it comes to dueling), and anakin is no different.. they also trained together for like 10 years.. if anything the stagnation of the fight is meant to show just how good each character is at what they're doing, and how well they're reading their opponent.. personally, i think episode 3 is the best starwars movie by a long shot, i think it blows empire strikes back out of the water. anakin and obiwan are much more compelling characters than luke and vader.

This post gave me cancer.
sorry for dem one liners
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
December 22 2015 10:22 GMT
#33
One thing I will say is that some of the complaints could be due to the fact that the full story hasn't unfolded yet and as the context of this new story within the new trilogy is filled in things might make a bit more sense. I also think people hate on the prequels because they failed to deliver on the tone of the previous films. There was just a bit more charm from the camp that was in the OT while the prequels seemed like the sci fi version of a popcorn action flick that fell on its face trying too hard to add in that campy charm.
Never Knows Best.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
December 22 2015 10:30 GMT
#34
i just rewatched the maul-quigon-obiwan fight. it definitely feels a lot more visceral, and i can see the influence of maul's fencing education, but i still think you could explain it with story elements.. non of the duelists have fought each other for more than 5 seconds, and quigon/obiwan know literally nothing about maul, so of course the fight is going to be much less meta and to the point, they don't immediately know each other's weakness.. it's like playing with your practice partner vs playing with some rando, your game with your practice partner is going to be looking to exploit their weaknesses and looking to be cognisant of their buildorder library.. idk, maybe i just suspend my rationality too much if i think the overarching story is good, but i didn't find anything wrong with RoTS's end duel between anakin and obiwan.. i didn't like the anakin vs dooku duel at the start of RoTS though, because it didn't feel believable and anakin takes a baseball swing in the middle of it.. i also didn't really like yoda's dueling at all either..
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
December 22 2015 20:16 GMT
#35
On December 22 2015 15:43 NukeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 22 2015 06:50 Endymion wrote:
i disagree with you guys on the anakin vs obiwan fight. what's wrong with them being caught in a motion? haven't you ever seen end game BW ZvT, where there are massive mech lines vs zerg and the two players can't immediately attack because the situation doesn't call for it? or haven't you ever watched professional GO players, where there can be move chains that are derived from positioning that go on for dozens of turns, just from pure momentum? from the EU, obiwan is meant to be one of the most powerful living jedi masters (when it comes to dueling), and anakin is no different.. they also trained together for like 10 years.. if anything the stagnation of the fight is meant to show just how good each character is at what they're doing, and how well they're reading their opponent.. personally, i think episode 3 is the best starwars movie by a long shot, i think it blows empire strikes back out of the water. anakin and obiwan are much more compelling characters than luke and vader.

This post gave me cancer.

Don't read the post before my one then. That would only make it worse.
SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
December 23 2015 03:43 GMT
#36
Nope it wasn't in fact it was better than Jedi, and has probably one of the best fight scenes in the entire series with Rey/Finn vs Kylo Ren the Movie wasn't perfect and wasn't anything mind blowing, but it was entertaining well acted and had some really kick ass sequences and is worthy of the title star wars.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32130 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-24 20:42:00
December 24 2015 20:36 GMT
#37
I agree with some of your criticisms, but def not that it's worse than the prequels. Those were all pretty damn bad. I give them points for definitely taking more risks in broadening the storyline, but the execution was bad on so many levels that I don't see anyway this movie could be worse than those.

Agreed this is not a perfect movie. i enjoyed it, I am seeing it again soon, I would say a solid 7-8. I think slightly more politics/backstory would have been good without compromising the cliffhanger. I 100% agree about the star killer - not nearly enough gravity to that situation, or the assault itself. Felt way too easy, just there to basically move the story and us closer to Han's death. There was enough action that the movie could have had some slower movement to deliver some more detail. This is still a total set up movie though.

Most of us here (assuming ages) didn't see the original triliogy when it came out and lose out on perspective of how the first one set up the trilogy, and left a lot of questions that were answered later. This is very similar to that. However, in trying to do that and please old fans with nods to the original, I feel they borrowed too much, bordering on a template swap.

Rey being naturally better than the force fits within the boundaries of the universe where some people can naturally do stuff like shoot lighting from their hands and what not. Vader as a kid was a prodigy unlike many others, way more powerful than others, but very raw. Why is it so hard to believe that there might be someone (most likely his granddaughter - luke's kid imo) whose raw baseline is much higher than other force sensitive people??

I also interpreted a lot of the big fight at the end being Kylo Ren toying with them at first and then getting overwhelmed when he realizes the depth of her power. I saw it mentioned in the main sw7 thread, but he's very desperate and alone, and telling Ren that he can teach her is very much part becuse he doesn't want to be alone imo.
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MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10345 Posts
December 25 2015 01:13 GMT
#38
On December 22 2015 05:11 NukeD wrote:
I actually watched the prequell lightsaber duels because of this blog. They are as bad as I remember, some even worse.

Look at the 03:00 mark of this clip to have a laugh. LOL. Wtf is that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xP3fI7yn5s

To Obi's credit, Ani was the chosen one!
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maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
December 25 2015 19:10 GMT
#39
On December 22 2015 05:11 NukeD wrote:
I actually watched the prequell lightsaber duels because of this blog. They are as bad as I remember, some even worse.

Look at the 03:00 mark of this clip to have a laugh. LOL. Wtf is that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xP3fI7yn5s

Watched that clip, and the first thing that sprung to mind was "wow, this is some seriously terrible acting from everyone present in the scene".

Going to see EP7 tomorrow. Not being a Star Wars fan by any stretch of the imagination I don't really have any expectations. I've seen all movies except EP2, and they were OK but in no way would I rank them among the best or most gripping movies I've ever seen.

I actually prefer the lightsabre duels of EPs 4-6: it was less spectacular but at least Vader and Luke were actually trying to hit each other instead of pointlessly banging their lightsabres against each other. What I also liked was how Luke never became superstrong: he was clumsy in EP4 and still a clumsy, terrible sword fighter in EP6.
Espers
Profile Joined August 2009
United Kingdom606 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-27 21:30:29
December 27 2015 21:19 GMT
#40
It was pretty terrible. At least the prequels had some sort of inventiveness and the overarching plot was interesting, even if the execution was rubbish.

When they murdered all the Jedi in the last prequel it was actually pretty exciting, I was invested. The whole finale with the Planet-Destroying thing, did anyone actually care? The whole battle seemed just seemed incidental, and the characters don't even to seem to really give a fuck about this weapon. No build-up, no emotional investment...
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