• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:28
CEST 14:28
KST 21:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers17Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid24
StarCraft 2
General
Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers INu's Battles#14 <BO.9 2Matches> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion Data needed ASL21 Strategy, Pimpest Plays Discussions Pros React To: ASL S21, Ro.16 Group C BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group C Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro16 Group D Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Dawn of War IV Diablo IV Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1999 users

Is the Swarmhost the best designed unit in LoTV?

Blogs > DilemaH
Post a Reply
DilemaH
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Canada402 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-04 03:20:59
November 04 2015 03:14 GMT
#1
The swarm host was under a lot of fire in the LoTV forum. People wanted it to receive large changes, small changes, and some wanted to see the unit completely gone. However, after experimenting with the swarm-host in some ZvZs before the beta shut down I realized that its one of the most interesting units ever to exist in starcraft. It is not a deathball unit: it is more of a harass/position-based unit. The swarm-host's use comes in it's ability to massively buff the strength of a small hit-squad, poke down defenses, snipe bases, or strengthen the zerg's army when breaching a location (or buying time on defense). From my experience, the swarm-host can only be added on well into the mid-late game when both players are on around 4 bases. My tactic is simple: I make 6-12 swarmhosts (although 8 is my usual number), an adequate amount of drop-upgraded overlords and have my swarmhosts hover around the map. When I want to mount an offensive on an enemy location or base, I drop my swarmhosts nearby, throw out the locusts, and preemptively fly away to the next location I want to attack.

Some would argue that they chew up too much supply, cost too much and the down-time is just too high. This is not the case especially in ZvZ, which is a very trade-heavy, push-and-pull matchup: you are never maxed in ZvZ. If you are, you aren't attacking enough. Also, ZvZ is very anti-deathball once lurkers are out. In a deathball meta, these kinds of units would be terrible, since it subtracts from your own deathball and the utility is just not worth it. But in a game where battles happen all across the map, and it is constant unit-trading, it is possible to slowly add on swarmhosts. You will be a bit behind at first, but they will quickly be worth it after 2-3 locust volleys if used right. The damage and damage buffer that the locust provide against lurker lines is invaluable: the enemy is forced to take a very unfavorable fight, or abandon the position (very important in the new positionally-based metagame). The swarm-host acts as an earlier, mineral based siege-breaker as opposed to a later, gas intensive viper or a less reliable ravager. Proper swarm-host usage is also a skill players will learn: in order to make the swarm-host useful, you MUST use those locust every 47~ seconds or else its a wasted investment. And making too many swarm-hosts (probably) makes you have too weak of a mobile ground army, and the enemy would probably just be able to steamroll you. And too many swarm-hosts lategame seems too clunky to be used efficiently. Do you see the cool, unique and niche unit that is the LoTV swarmhost? What other units are as unique as it? The metagame will dictate it's exact uses, but so far it seems to be an incredibly designed utility unit. ZvZ is shaping up to be a very challenging, deep and fun matchup to play.

EDIT: I haven't tried it out against protoss ground or mech yet, but I can't imagine it would be as good. Also, I think colossi will get a resurgence in the metagame against bio and maybe Z. I theorize that protoss players will eventually split up their armies more to deal with the multi-pronged attacks of bio and zerg. Because disruptors are much weaker against lower unit counts (big hits much less guaranteed), colossi will provide an important, reliable source of AOE damage. Probably 1-2 per army, since you still want some disruptors.

They don't want you to construct additional pylons
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-04 11:25:45
November 04 2015 11:15 GMT
#2
Is the Swarmhost the best designed unit in LoTV?


Played 250-300 games in high master (lotv archon GM) and never had one built against me, not even once

time will tell how good they are in pro level play but there's a long list of annoying and strong plays that SH didn't manage to make it to during beta

-----------

Also, I think colossi will get a resurgence in the metagame against bio and maybe Z


Colossi used to deal 1.25x more damage than they do now and meanwhile, the options for terran and zerg have become outright stronger. Ravagers. Lurkers. Liberators - it would be harder for protoss even with the old colossi that hit 1.25x harder.

Building 2 colossi with thermal lance is a few hundred minerals and some seconds more expensive than building 4 disruptors, so i doubt they'll take off in low numbers. They were never the staple support unit - they're the unit you try to get to, not the one that you use to try to get to something else.

While disruptors can't crush lower unit counts, if the enemy is using small packs of units then that's advantageous to you in some ways; protoss infantry has always scaled very poorly against large packs of units, needing AOE support to stand their ground. Against 8 hydralisks or 16 marines, you can blob them with gateway units such as upgraded adepts or newly buffed chargelots. At 150/150, you can also afford to have disruptors spread around a bit and maybe have a couple in a warp prism
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
November 04 2015 12:30 GMT
#3
Is the Swarmhost the best designed unit in LoTV ?

One word : YES.
Endless waves of awesomeness and love are just the greatest sight to behold, the greatest sound to caress your ear-drum, the greatest feel to touch your soul in a warm and loving embrace.
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
November 05 2015 00:08 GMT
#4
On November 04 2015 21:30 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
Is the Swarmhost the best designed unit in LoTV ?

One word : YES.
Endless waves of awesomeness and love are just the greatest sight to behold, the greatest sound to caress your ear-drum, the greatest feel to touch your soul in a warm and loving embrace.


absolutely disgusting
rip passion
parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
November 06 2015 15:03 GMT
#5
I think Broodlords are better designed than SH

Free-Unit Producing units are very strong. But they are balanced by expensive, high tech units that are slow.

I think it's also so inspiring because it's supposed to replace BW's Guardians..which it did very well seeing Guardians were very niche / inefficient often times.

Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
INu's Battles
11:00
INu's Battles#14
ByuN vs Rogue
IntoTheiNu 1099
LiquipediaDiscussion
Escore
10:00
Week 4
escodisco3189
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Railgan 39
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 78903
Mini 702
EffOrt 450
Soulkey 297
Soma 288
Light 187
hero 183
Stork 149
Snow 148
ggaemo 138
[ Show more ]
Hyun 123
Pusan 108
Shine 73
Dewaltoss 62
[sc1f]eonzerg 44
ToSsGirL 42
Sea.KH 42
Barracks 40
Free 38
sorry 38
JYJ 33
soO 30
sSak 28
Sexy 26
scan(afreeca) 23
Movie 11
Noble 10
Sacsri 9
GoRush 9
Icarus 7
Rock 5
Terrorterran 4
Dota 2
Gorgc3773
XcaliburYe127
Counter-Strike
allub368
kRYSTAL_18
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King88
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr25
Other Games
gofns25269
singsing1664
B2W.Neo869
Lowko325
crisheroes321
DeMusliM287
QueenE99
Sick59
Livibee50
Liquid`LucifroN44
amsayoshi30
ArmadaUGS29
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream16469
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 69
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1273
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
4h 32m
Big Brain Bouts
4h 32m
PiG vs DeMusliM
Reynor vs Bunny
Replay Cast
11h 32m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
22h 32m
Classic vs SHIN
MaxPax vs Percival
herO vs Clem
ByuN vs Rogue
Ladder Legends
1d 2h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 2h
BSL
1d 6h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 21h
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 22h
Ladder Legends
2 days
[ Show More ]
BSL
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Soma vs hero
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Leta vs YSC
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Escore
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-22
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Escore Tournament S2: W4
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.