• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:23
CEST 18:23
KST 01:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall9HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy6
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles2[BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China8Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL66Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form?14FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event22
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Weekly Cups (June 23-29): Reynor in world title form? Weekly Cups (June 30 - July 6): Classic Doubles Program: SC2 / XSplit / OBS Scene Switcher
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WardiTV Mondays Korean Starcraft League Week 77
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome Mutation # 478 Instant Karma
Brood War
General
Flash Announces Hiatus From ASL SC uni coach streams logging into betting site BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL20 Preliminary Maps
Tourneys
[BSL20] Grand Finals - Sunday 20:00 CET CSL Xiamen International Invitational [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China The Casual Games of the Week Thread
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile What do you want from future RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Summer Games Done Quick 2024! Summer Games Done Quick 2025!
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Culture Clash in Video Games…
TrAiDoS
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Blog #2
tankgirl
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 677 users

Dota "professionals" and hardware redundancy

Blogs > dismiss
Post a Reply
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
September 25 2015 14:23 GMT
#1
I meant to write something about this after the whole Alliance vs. Secret fiasco but up until now was too lazy. q_q
I don't understand why online dota tournaments are still marred by a plethora of easy to avoid issues. The annoyance caused by this is aggravated, for me at least, by the fact that professional players are always quick to criticise tournament orgs for not being professional enough, read: requiring the pros to be at the venue a couple hours in advance for photo shoots and the like or not serving them a three Michelin-star buffet, yet they are incapable of executing basic measures to insure that they are able to play without downtime.

Let's start with things every professional dota 2 player can and should do.

1) Get a backup PC or notebook which is capable of running dota. Make sure the dota client is patched and the whole thing is working once or twice a week. Play a game on your reserve set up just to check.

Seriously, this takes all of 15 minutes of work a week and will probably cost around ~£500. The vast majority of hardware issues could be avoided by just having a spare, if you're playing for several hundred thousand dollars you should be able to afford that or get it issued by your team.

2)Have some backup peripherals around.

Don't think this is nearly as big an issue, but you might as well chuck some in there, just in case.

3) Buy a decent UPS.

Again, for the cost of a few hundred currency units you are able to eliminate another risk factor to be able to at least play out a game currently in progress.

4) Rent some fucking TS servers, for God's sake.

It's absolutely mind blowing how inept players must be for voice comms to still be an issue at any point in time past 2007. a 10 slot server runs less than 2 quid a month. Just rent 3, each one with a different hosting company. Don't give their IP out to anyone who doesn't need to be on it, no, not your mum or the people you're clowning about in RMM, they're just for your games.

5) Get a VPN. Especially if your ISP assigns you a static IP.

This is a bit more costly than a TS server but also absolutely crucial, you don't want people with malicious intent to know your IP, take basic measures to cloak it.

And with that we suddenly have eliminated the vast majority of player side issues at a small cost, one that "professionals" really should invest in.


Now onto the elephant in the room, the much dreaded internet connection. Again, I have no clue as to how people in first world countries continually manage to not have a working connection as often as dota pros, especially when it's so crucial to their livelihood.

1) Get a business line with a SLA. Or at least 2 independent phone lines from different ISPs.

Yes, I know, this is expensive. But you're playing to win millions of dollars and you get a salary from your org. Fix your fucking internet.

2) Don't use your ISP provided router and/or modem, buy a good one for £100.

Just making sure you have equipment that won't fail if you look at it wrong.

3) Get LTE/fast wireless internet as a backup.

This isn't optimal but you can game on LTE with a reasonable ping, this should serve as a backup to your connections somehow go down and enable you to at least play out the current game.


In my opinions the big tournaments should really enforce and control for some kind of basic reliability hardening being done by the players. They're throwing around hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars in price pools, yet the online stages of their tournaments deliver a consistently worse experience than TL Attack did back in 2008.
This is by no means a comprehensive guide or even a guide at all, just what was on my mind, but for fucks sake, if you're playing video games for a living make sure you're able to play the video games.
/rant
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
September 25 2015 14:30 GMT
#2
5 stars! all pros should read immediately; if pros want tourney organizers to step it up they should step it up too

eveyrone should step it up woooooooooooo
posting on liquid sites in current year
lxginverse
Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
September 25 2015 14:53 GMT
#3
ahh bw tl attack good times

VPN really is a must considering the amount of ddosers around
fromis_9 enjoyer
Ler
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany543 Posts
September 25 2015 17:17 GMT
#4
Most pros drop out from school early and you want em to setup a safe place to play? Even if you have an informatics background its hard to do O;
Twitter: @Ler_GG | Facebook: lergg | youtube: lerlolgg | Twitch.tv/gg_nore | #ArtOfSupport
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
September 25 2015 17:26 GMT
#5
On September 26 2015 02:17 Ler wrote:
Most pros drop out from school early and you want em to setup a safe place to play? Even if you have an informatics background its hard to do O;

thats why teams pay managers. just look at navi..1 year (mb even longer?) full of ddos
FTD
FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-25 17:59:58
September 25 2015 17:59 GMT
#6
last time i saw a team pause at 20 seconds for 3 minutes and the other team spent the whole time drawing over the map to hide the ward spots from possible steamcheaters (aka the other team)

having a 5 minute "hotkey (i mean keyboard) problem/chat" 35 minutes into a game looks a bit shit tbh too

Cool BW Music Vid - youtube.com/watch?v=W54nlqJ-Nx8 ~~~~~ ᕤ OYSTERS ᕤ CLAMS ᕤ AND ᕤ CUCKOLDS ᕤ ~~~~~~ ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ PUNCH HIM ༼ ᕤ◕◡◕ ༽ᕤ
Tephus
Profile Joined May 2011
Cascadia1753 Posts
September 26 2015 22:28 GMT
#7
Its pretty ridiculous that teams still don't have these things in place.

Tournaments really need to start enforcing their rules for there to be much incentive for them to do so though.
AdministratorDirector of Esports
dismiss
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-26 22:36:35
September 26 2015 22:34 GMT
#8
On September 27 2015 07:28 Tephus wrote:
Its pretty ridiculous that teams still don't have these things in place.

Tournaments really need to start enforcing their rules for there to be much incentive for them to do so though.

I think this is the main problem. As a viewer you really don't have a viable course of action except for e-mailing sponsors if you want to make them be less terrible about it. q_q
Failure to improve posting standards will result in a lengthy ban. I <crms_> !dumb <GeoffAnderson> crmsdota <crms_> damnit
Gzerble
Profile Joined May 2015
82 Posts
September 28 2015 09:27 GMT
#9
I agree with this post wholeheartedly. DDoS may be Distributed Denial of Skype at this point, not having a team TS server is not only unprofessional but downright stupid at this point. I'd also go one step further: the computer a player uses has to be a 100% Dota-only machine. It should not be used to browse the web, play other games, watch movies, or anything else. If you want to be a pro, then treat it as a job, and your computer as the tool on which your livelihood depends.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
September 28 2015 10:27 GMT
#10
not having a backup pc, especially if ur on a top team is actually mindboggling
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
HollywoodHolocaust
Profile Joined August 2014
49 Posts
October 01 2015 13:24 GMT
#11
An unreliable watching experience is my largest issue with watching competitive Dota at the moment.

Enforcing their own rules is the only way to force players to improve. Currently everyone want to be nice and accept pauses and delays, which I understand, but if tournaments started to be strict then players would have no choice but to prepare themselves better. The amount of problems would go down drastically.
gaijindash
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan376 Posts
October 02 2015 00:56 GMT
#12
Some of this is predicated on the success of the players, players on T2 teams wont be able to afford some of the more expensive stuff, but I definitely agree that the easy to fix stuff should absolutely not be an issue.

well thought out blog, good stuff.

Also RIP any hopeful Australian/ South African players, who have awful internet.
Courage does not always roar, sometimes courage is the little voice at the end of the day that says 'I will try again tommorow'
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RotterdaM Event
16:00
Rotti Stream Rumble 4k Edition
RotterdaM387
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 766
RotterdaM 391
Hui .377
MaxPax 338
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 1908
Flash 1328
EffOrt 1257
Jaedong 1192
Hyuk 849
Stork 367
actioN 356
Soulkey 282
Soma 248
Snow 194
[ Show more ]
firebathero 178
Mind 100
TY 67
JulyZerg 64
sSak 57
Barracks 51
PianO 50
JYJ47
Sharp 46
Terrorterran 33
Rock 29
HiyA 21
Aegong 21
soO 16
yabsab 15
GoRush 10
Shine 8
IntoTheRainbow 7
Dota 2
Gorgc6706
qojqva3145
League of Legends
singsing2331
Dendi1216
Counter-Strike
fl0m1096
markeloff169
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King243
Other Games
hiko1450
Beastyqt856
ceh9327
Lowko307
crisheroes242
ArmadaUGS164
KnowMe130
Trikslyr64
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick47269
StarCraft 2
angryscii 20
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Reevou 8
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis7016
• TFBlade810
• Jankos671
Other Games
• Shiphtur276
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
7h 37m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
17h 37m
WardiTV European League
23h 37m
MaNa vs sebesdes
Mixu vs Fjant
ByuN vs HeRoMaRinE
ShoWTimE vs goblin
Gerald vs Babymarine
Krystianer vs YoungYakov
PiGosaur Monday
1d 7h
The PondCast
1d 17h
WardiTV European League
1d 19h
Jumy vs NightPhoenix
Percival vs Nicoract
ArT vs HiGhDrA
MaxPax vs Harstem
Scarlett vs Shameless
SKillous vs uThermal
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 23h
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
ByuN vs SHIN
Clem vs Reynor
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
Classic vs Cure
FEL
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
FEL
4 days
FEL
4 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
5 days
Bonyth vs QiaoGege
Dewalt vs Fengzi
Hawk vs Zhanhun
Sziky vs Mihu
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Sziky
Fengzi vs Hawk
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
FEL
5 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
6 days
Bonyth vs Dewalt
QiaoGege vs Dewalt
Hawk vs Bonyth
Sziky vs Fengzi
Mihu vs Zhanhun
QiaoGege vs Zhanhun
Fengzi vs Mihu
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Season 20
HSC XXVII
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
Championship of Russia 2025
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025

Upcoming

2025 ACS Season 2: Qualifier
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSL Xiamen Invitational
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.