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Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
September 25 2015 14:23 GMT
#1
I meant to write something about this after the whole Alliance vs. Secret fiasco but up until now was too lazy. q_q
I don't understand why online dota tournaments are still marred by a plethora of easy to avoid issues. The annoyance caused by this is aggravated, for me at least, by the fact that professional players are always quick to criticise tournament orgs for not being professional enough, read: requiring the pros to be at the venue a couple hours in advance for photo shoots and the like or not serving them a three Michelin-star buffet, yet they are incapable of executing basic measures to insure that they are able to play without downtime.

Let's start with things every professional dota 2 player can and should do.

1) Get a backup PC or notebook which is capable of running dota. Make sure the dota client is patched and the whole thing is working once or twice a week. Play a game on your reserve set up just to check.

Seriously, this takes all of 15 minutes of work a week and will probably cost around ~£500. The vast majority of hardware issues could be avoided by just having a spare, if you're playing for several hundred thousand dollars you should be able to afford that or get it issued by your team.

2)Have some backup peripherals around.

Don't think this is nearly as big an issue, but you might as well chuck some in there, just in case.

3) Buy a decent UPS.

Again, for the cost of a few hundred currency units you are able to eliminate another risk factor to be able to at least play out a game currently in progress.

4) Rent some fucking TS servers, for God's sake.

It's absolutely mind blowing how inept players must be for voice comms to still be an issue at any point in time past 2007. a 10 slot server runs less than 2 quid a month. Just rent 3, each one with a different hosting company. Don't give their IP out to anyone who doesn't need to be on it, no, not your mum or the people you're clowning about in RMM, they're just for your games.

5) Get a VPN. Especially if your ISP assigns you a static IP.

This is a bit more costly than a TS server but also absolutely crucial, you don't want people with malicious intent to know your IP, take basic measures to cloak it.

And with that we suddenly have eliminated the vast majority of player side issues at a small cost, one that "professionals" really should invest in.


Now onto the elephant in the room, the much dreaded internet connection. Again, I have no clue as to how people in first world countries continually manage to not have a working connection as often as dota pros, especially when it's so crucial to their livelihood.

1) Get a business line with a SLA. Or at least 2 independent phone lines from different ISPs.

Yes, I know, this is expensive. But you're playing to win millions of dollars and you get a salary from your org. Fix your fucking internet.

2) Don't use your ISP provided router and/or modem, buy a good one for £100.

Just making sure you have equipment that won't fail if you look at it wrong.

3) Get LTE/fast wireless internet as a backup.

This isn't optimal but you can game on LTE with a reasonable ping, this should serve as a backup to your connections somehow go down and enable you to at least play out the current game.


In my opinions the big tournaments should really enforce and control for some kind of basic reliability hardening being done by the players. They're throwing around hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars in price pools, yet the online stages of their tournaments deliver a consistently worse experience than TL Attack did back in 2008.
This is by no means a comprehensive guide or even a guide at all, just what was on my mind, but for fucks sake, if you're playing video games for a living make sure you're able to play the video games.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
September 25 2015 14:30 GMT
#2
5 stars! all pros should read immediately; if pros want tourney organizers to step it up they should step it up too

eveyrone should step it up woooooooooooo
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Profile Joined May 2008
Monaco1506 Posts
September 25 2015 14:53 GMT
#3
ahh bw tl attack good times

VPN really is a must considering the amount of ddosers around
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Ler
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Germany543 Posts
September 25 2015 17:17 GMT
#4
Most pros drop out from school early and you want em to setup a safe place to play? Even if you have an informatics background its hard to do O;
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Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
September 25 2015 17:26 GMT
#5
On September 26 2015 02:17 Ler wrote:
Most pros drop out from school early and you want em to setup a safe place to play? Even if you have an informatics background its hard to do O;

thats why teams pay managers. just look at navi..1 year (mb even longer?) full of ddos
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-25 17:59:58
September 25 2015 17:59 GMT
#6
last time i saw a team pause at 20 seconds for 3 minutes and the other team spent the whole time drawing over the map to hide the ward spots from possible steamcheaters (aka the other team)

having a 5 minute "hotkey (i mean keyboard) problem/chat" 35 minutes into a game looks a bit shit tbh too

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Profile Joined May 2011
Cascadia1753 Posts
September 26 2015 22:28 GMT
#7
Its pretty ridiculous that teams still don't have these things in place.

Tournaments really need to start enforcing their rules for there to be much incentive for them to do so though.
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Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United Kingdom3341 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-26 22:36:35
September 26 2015 22:34 GMT
#8
On September 27 2015 07:28 Tephus wrote:
Its pretty ridiculous that teams still don't have these things in place.

Tournaments really need to start enforcing their rules for there to be much incentive for them to do so though.

I think this is the main problem. As a viewer you really don't have a viable course of action except for e-mailing sponsors if you want to make them be less terrible about it. q_q
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Gzerble
Profile Joined May 2015
82 Posts
September 28 2015 09:27 GMT
#9
I agree with this post wholeheartedly. DDoS may be Distributed Denial of Skype at this point, not having a team TS server is not only unprofessional but downright stupid at this point. I'd also go one step further: the computer a player uses has to be a 100% Dota-only machine. It should not be used to browse the web, play other games, watch movies, or anything else. If you want to be a pro, then treat it as a job, and your computer as the tool on which your livelihood depends.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
September 28 2015 10:27 GMT
#10
not having a backup pc, especially if ur on a top team is actually mindboggling
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HollywoodHolocaust
Profile Joined August 2014
49 Posts
October 01 2015 13:24 GMT
#11
An unreliable watching experience is my largest issue with watching competitive Dota at the moment.

Enforcing their own rules is the only way to force players to improve. Currently everyone want to be nice and accept pauses and delays, which I understand, but if tournaments started to be strict then players would have no choice but to prepare themselves better. The amount of problems would go down drastically.
gaijindash
Profile Joined January 2015
Japan376 Posts
October 02 2015 00:56 GMT
#12
Some of this is predicated on the success of the players, players on T2 teams wont be able to afford some of the more expensive stuff, but I definitely agree that the easy to fix stuff should absolutely not be an issue.

well thought out blog, good stuff.

Also RIP any hopeful Australian/ South African players, who have awful internet.
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