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Composing - Pitching for projects - Part 2

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ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1704 Posts
June 17 2015 09:17 GMT
#1
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How You Get to Pitch

In my last blog I set up the subject of pitching. You can see that by clicking here. So now I'll go into a bit more depth on the ways in which to actually get the pitch opportunity in the first place, covering three different options in this post. As I mentioned last time, these are unsolicited pitches, semi-solicited pitches and "ambulance chasers" (agencies).

Unsolicited pitches are of course the easiest to get, since it’s just a matter of finding someone who may need you and either finding out what they’re doing or just sending them something based on their past work. I don’t like this method at all as a pitching approach unless I’m able to be very targeted in creating something which I think they’ll love, and want to work with them badly enough to invest a lot of effort putting a killer pitch together. It’s less ridiculous if you don’t spend time crafting a sound and writing new music for them, but then I think that really brings the odds of success down. Putting significant time into this aside from the rare exception as I mentioned, is foolish because the odds are so small of each attempt leading anywhere. They’ll probably be getting a lot of emails, and so are unlikely to read this one, and they’ll know that most people cold-calling aren’t as good as the people they already know, so they’re even less likely to listen to the music. The risk/reward of listening to every piece that gets sent in makes your 2-minute piece not worth it. From there, they’re unlikely to need a composer right now, and when they do they probably won’t remember you unless your music and approach was the best thing since John Williams/Powell/The Baptist.

However, that’s not to say the cold-calling approach can’t have its benefits, as it definitely can and has for me. More on that another time. But as a pitching tool for individual projects I really don’t think it’s much good.

Semi-solicited pitches are the type of general calls for entry which you’ll find on certain websites, or someone independently looking for some fresh talent, brave enough to pick through the hundreds of hopefuls. And there is the first problem. Like any open auditions, these will have huge numbers of applicants. Every Tom, Dick and Harry who thinks they’re a composer can and will send something. That gets worse in the one in a million times that the work is paid. I can’t really comment on the probability compared to chancing it with unsolicited approaches, other than the probability is still low. Now it’s just more affected by the sheer numbers. The poor soul listening may have already heard 3 good ones to choose from before they’re anywhere near mine, or may be too exhausted to know good from evil anymore and just pick the first one which will do the job. To have a good probability of getting consistent work through this kind of pitch, a person would have to be both lucky and punching below their weight to be consistently heard through the racket. I’m not a big fan of this approach either. Good for experience and portfolio at early stages though, and it is possible to get jobs this way.

Ambulance chasers. This is what I would call agencies charging you to submit your hand-crafted masterpiece, probably never to see a penny from it, alongside lots of other gullible souls. Oh yes, there are plenty doing this. Don’t think that because it costs money that it’ll give you a place in a smaller field. That’s what they want you to think. It’s still open auditions, but with a “hope” tax. I have yet to speak to one professional who thinks well of this model, and I personally think it’s vulturing.

This is because to charge people to submit their work for a pitch shows no faith in your own business. When you have clients offering opportunities and composers who want work, the idea should be to allow people to pitch and then curate those pitches so that only the good ones or the ones which at least match the brief get through to the client. The client should then have no trouble choosing one, and the agency can then take a percentage from that placement as profit. This is how many music libraries work around the world and it does have its problems, particularly when they start to take a ridiculous cut and squeeze out the rights and rewards of the person who wrote the music. However, it at least shows that the agency has faith in the pitches which they have deemed to be suitable to the brief, and that they think they can provide something of enough worth to the client that they will make a profit from the success of both the users, and the clients. Charging upfront is hedging their bets and trying to take money before they've actually done anything of any worth. It's also the least beneficial filtering process I can imagine. The people who pay to submit pitches will probably be less good than the people who won't, because those more experienced know that they can get jobs elsewhere without handing over cash up front just for the pitch, which has poor odds of any success as I've already covered in point number two.

The next post is going to cover solicited pitches through an agent. This is not the same as an agency as covered above!

Thank you again for reading, and please check out my social media and stuff if you want to keep an eye on what I'm up to, or to get involved further. There's also plenty of my music so you can hear what I do.

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EleGant[AoV]
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
June 17 2015 14:12 GMT
#2
Ok so basically we shouldn't do any of those
:D
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Kronen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States732 Posts
June 17 2015 15:04 GMT
#3
I'll be very interested when the blog post covering networking and the amount/nature of the footwork needed to maintain connections to get you exposure. Having some limited experience with classical composer buddies, I know the extremes they go to to get their stuff recorded. I can only imagine the politics are amplified even more when adding the later of pleasing highly opinionated but (probably) musically-inept directors and producers.

Your website and overall self-marketing looks really good!! Keep these blogs coming for sure!
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17242 Posts
June 17 2015 17:56 GMT
#4
On June 18 2015 00:04 Kronen wrote: I can only imagine the politics are amplified even more when adding the later of pleasing highly opinionated but (probably) musically-inept directors and producers.


my strat is to network directly with Project Managers. If they are good at clearing away the political bullshit and take care of all the ego stroking i can just go in.. and do my thing.
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2Pacalypse-
Profile Joined October 2006
Croatia9529 Posts
June 17 2015 19:20 GMT
#5
Where's the video? I want to hear all of this in your english accent!

But in any case, this seems like a very good information; not necessarily applicable to composers only.
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ImbaTosS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1704 Posts
June 17 2015 22:25 GMT
#6
On June 17 2015 23:12 JieXian wrote:
Ok so basically we shouldn't do any of those
:D


Well, I've almost come to that conclusion a few times, but it's not quite so clear cut as that. This is really worthy of its own separate topic, but really I think the best approach is prioritising different pitches and possible avenues based on the chances of success, how much you want the job on offer, and what else is available to you at the time. You have to realistically decide how much time they are worth, and work them into your overall approach based on that. So I think a good strategy definitely includes some unsolicited, and some semi-solicited pitches, but the key has to be in knowing whether you're investing too much time and energy in something when there are other far more promising things to be doing.

This depends on personal situation as well though. As I mentioned in the post, you may really want to work with a company or a person and have no way of getting their attention other than writing them some stunning music, a great supporting letter and getting it on their desk in any way you can. If this is where you really want to be, then it can definitely be worth the time and energy. However it is important first to ask why you don't have a better way to approach them. Could it be worth building a wider professional network first? Getting a higher profile in their industry? Are you really ready to work with them..? A single pitch or a lucky break which kick-starts a career from nothing isn't going to happen in my opinion. The groundwork has to be there first. And maybe it is, and sometimes an unsolicited pitch really is the best option.

I will expand on this in another post though, it's a big topic really.

Just don't do the third one!

On June 18 2015 00:04 Kronen wrote:
I'll be very interested when the blog post covering networking and the amount/nature of the footwork needed to maintain connections to get you exposure. Having some limited experience with classical composer buddies, I know the extremes they go to to get their stuff recorded. I can only imagine the politics are amplified even more when adding the later of pleasing highly opinionated but (probably) musically-inept directors and producers.

Your website and overall self-marketing looks really good!! Keep these blogs coming for sure!


Thank you for the feedback Kronen, it's good to know when I'm doing things right. I'm really enjoying writing and discussing these blogs, they get me talking to people and get me to organise my thoughts which is helpful. Film/Game composing is also quite a closed job, largely invisible to people from outside the industry who are just interested and enjoy insight into the process. I think that can change! I also know how useful it is to learn from somebody else's experience. Stepping blindly out and trying to figure a whole business out from scratch is super hard and can be very discouraging. I spend a lot of time thinking about these things and can hopefully help people get thinking critically about things even if they don't agree with me.

I will talk about the politics etc too, which again is worthy of its own topic. The musically inept directors and producers can be a real headache, make no mistake! JimmyJRaynor is onto something there- find one ally or at least a buffer, a middle-man. Otherwise it can make the job a lot less satisfying, and sometimes downright frustrating.

On June 18 2015 04:20 2Pacalypse- wrote:
But in any case, this seems like a very good information; not necessarily applicable to composers only.


I'm glad you think so! That really is what I want- to be talking to anyone and everyone, as well as other composers. The business is far too closed for my liking 99% of the time.
EleGant[AoV]
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
June 19 2015 04:43 GMT
#7
On June 18 2015 07:25 ImbaTosS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 23:12 JieXian wrote:
Ok so basically we shouldn't do any of those
:D


Well, I've almost come to that conclusion a few times, but it's not quite so clear cut as that. This is really worthy of its own separate topic, but really I think the best approach is prioritising different pitches and possible avenues based on the chances of success, how much you want the job on offer, and what else is available to you at the time. You have to realistically decide how much time they are worth, and work them into your overall approach based on that. So I think a good strategy definitely includes some unsolicited, and some semi-solicited pitches, but the key has to be in knowing whether you're investing too much time and energy in something when there are other far more promising things to be doing.

This depends on personal situation as well though. As I mentioned in the post, you may really want to work with a company or a person and have no way of getting their attention other than writing them some stunning music, a great supporting letter and getting it on their desk in any way you can. If this is where you really want to be, then it can definitely be worth the time and energy. However it is important first to ask why you don't have a better way to approach them. Could it be worth building a wider professional network first? Getting a higher profile in their industry? Are you really ready to work with them..? A single pitch or a lucky break which kick-starts a career from nothing isn't going to happen in my opinion. The groundwork has to be there first. And maybe it is, and sometimes an unsolicited pitch really is the best option.

I will expand on this in another post though, it's a big topic really.

Just don't do the third one!

Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 00:04 Kronen wrote:
I'll be very interested when the blog post covering networking and the amount/nature of the footwork needed to maintain connections to get you exposure. Having some limited experience with classical composer buddies, I know the extremes they go to to get their stuff recorded. I can only imagine the politics are amplified even more when adding the later of pleasing highly opinionated but (probably) musically-inept directors and producers.

Your website and overall self-marketing looks really good!! Keep these blogs coming for sure!


Thank you for the feedback Kronen, it's good to know when I'm doing things right. I'm really enjoying writing and discussing these blogs, they get me talking to people and get me to organise my thoughts which is helpful. Film/Game composing is also quite a closed job, largely invisible to people from outside the industry who are just interested and enjoy insight into the process. I think that can change! I also know how useful it is to learn from somebody else's experience. Stepping blindly out and trying to figure a whole business out from scratch is super hard and can be very discouraging. I spend a lot of time thinking about these things and can hopefully help people get thinking critically about things even if they don't agree with me.

I will talk about the politics etc too, which again is worthy of its own topic. The musically inept directors and producers can be a real headache, make no mistake! JimmyJRaynor is onto something there- find one ally or at least a buffer, a middle-man. Otherwise it can make the job a lot less satisfying, and sometimes downright frustrating.

Show nested quote +
On June 18 2015 04:20 2Pacalypse- wrote:
But in any case, this seems like a very good information; not necessarily applicable to composers only.


I'm glad you think so! That really is what I want- to be talking to anyone and everyone, as well as other composers. The business is far too closed for my liking 99% of the time.


Alright! I look forward to it

Just be careful about possibly getting yourself in trouble if you get carried away about politics hahaha

I will talk about the politics etc too, which again is worthy of its own topic. The musically inept directors and producers can be a real headache, make no mistake!

Please send me a PM of any song you like that I most probably never heard of! I am looking for people to chat about writing and producing music | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noD-bsOcxuU |
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