EPTOn February 17 2015 19:51 GoShox wrote:
I don't really understand this line of thinking and I don't think that I ever will. The idea that "oh, macro is easier in SC2 so therefore there must be more thinking involved" just baffles me.
I lost to people in BW where I had better macro, mechanics, etc. but they would make tactical decisions and outsmarted me and won. I had a good friend who was a Terran player.. he was much better than me, he could out macro me easily, but I still remember the very first time I beat him. It wasn't because I outplayed him mechanically, it was because I made very smart tactical decisions, chose my engagements very wisely, and was able to come out with a win. Heck, look at White-Ra. I pick him because I watched hundreds of his replays. His macro was pretty poor compared to others at his level, especially the Koreans that he played against nonstop, but he had amazing decision-making and always seemed to win fights where it didn't seem he had the right to.
I have no problem with you liking SC2 but, even if it's not intended, this argument has always seemed as a putdown to BW to me. I think people who don't understand how much thinking is required probably haven't played BW at a very high level.
I don't really understand this line of thinking and I don't think that I ever will. The idea that "oh, macro is easier in SC2 so therefore there must be more thinking involved" just baffles me.
I lost to people in BW where I had better macro, mechanics, etc. but they would make tactical decisions and outsmarted me and won. I had a good friend who was a Terran player.. he was much better than me, he could out macro me easily, but I still remember the very first time I beat him. It wasn't because I outplayed him mechanically, it was because I made very smart tactical decisions, chose my engagements very wisely, and was able to come out with a win. Heck, look at White-Ra. I pick him because I watched hundreds of his replays. His macro was pretty poor compared to others at his level, especially the Koreans that he played against nonstop, but he had amazing decision-making and always seemed to win fights where it didn't seem he had the right to.
I have no problem with you liking SC2 but, even if it's not intended, this argument has always seemed as a putdown to BW to me. I think people who don't understand how much thinking is required probably haven't played BW at a very high level.
this is never intended as a put down. I think there is high level thinking in BW as well, but if you go back to your loses and wins, how many of those games were due to purely out macroing/microing your units vs your opponent? i would take it a massive majority of them. of course, you'll have some games where even if you have higher APM and better macro, you still lose because you made a really shitty decision.
white-ra was not too successful in BW (in fact, almost no foreign pro was), but if you look at his results in SC2, you'll notice he has done considerably better. and it is because of everything you just mentioned, he is a tactical player over a mechanical player. the mechanical gap was closed considerably in SC2, causing those with better decision making, like white-ra, were able to succeed when they were unable to in BW.
