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FlaShFTW
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February 18 2015 01:20 GMT
#21
On February 17 2015 19:51 GoShox wrote:
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On February 17 2015 05:46 FlaShFTW wrote:
Game making decisions and understanding of the game itself plays a much more vital role. In BW, you could have the best macro in the world and as long as you knew the most basic unit comp, you could win a majority of your games. SC2, on the other hand, demands precise knowledge of what units to make during what portions of the game and how to accumulate a value advantage over time. So in a nutshell, SC2 has the following of "Brains over Brawn" where Brains is game knowledge and decision making, while Brawn is your macro ability.


I don't really understand this line of thinking and I don't think that I ever will. The idea that "oh, macro is easier in SC2 so therefore there must be more thinking involved" just baffles me.

I lost to people in BW where I had better macro, mechanics, etc. but they would make tactical decisions and outsmarted me and won. I had a good friend who was a Terran player.. he was much better than me, he could out macro me easily, but I still remember the very first time I beat him. It wasn't because I outplayed him mechanically, it was because I made very smart tactical decisions, chose my engagements very wisely, and was able to come out with a win. Heck, look at White-Ra. I pick him because I watched hundreds of his replays. His macro was pretty poor compared to others at his level, especially the Koreans that he played against nonstop, but he had amazing decision-making and always seemed to win fights where it didn't seem he had the right to.

I have no problem with you liking SC2 but, even if it's not intended, this argument has always seemed as a putdown to BW to me. I think people who don't understand how much thinking is required probably haven't played BW at a very high level.

this is never intended as a put down. I think there is high level thinking in BW as well, but if you go back to your loses and wins, how many of those games were due to purely out macroing/microing your units vs your opponent? i would take it a massive majority of them. of course, you'll have some games where even if you have higher APM and better macro, you still lose because you made a really shitty decision.

white-ra was not too successful in BW (in fact, almost no foreign pro was), but if you look at his results in SC2, you'll notice he has done considerably better. and it is because of everything you just mentioned, he is a tactical player over a mechanical player. the mechanical gap was closed considerably in SC2, causing those with better decision making, like white-ra, were able to succeed when they were unable to in BW.
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February 18 2015 02:14 GMT
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On February 18 2015 10:20 FlaShFTW wrote:
causing those with better decision making, like white-ra, were able to succeed when they were unable to in BW.


no offence to white-ra, but i crack up when i see this.

how many premier titles has he won, heck even top place finishes, with this "better decision-making" again? compare that to say, taeja or JD, who are renowned for monstrous APM/mechanics? do people like snute and stephano skimp on mechanics for "better decision making"?

BW also requires good thinking and decision making as well,

and its probably better since one needs to be a more comprehensive player in BW (having extremely good mechanics PLUS ability to think tactically/make proper decisions during play).

This helps to differentiate the players that are really good from the stellar godlike players. Any typical masters player in sc2 can follow and pull off any strat pretty well, a gm/pro just refines it better and by that time anyone can beat anyone and thats the end of it, the skill ceiling and bar is pretty low, the strats in sc2 are so predictable in most matchups with little to no room for comeback i can already know who wins upon looking at the builds of 2 players before they even engage with their deathballs. thats why you don't see anyone in sc2 dominating for a long period of time.

In comparison in BW i dont think theres few, if any, random casual or tourney game that emulate say, the incredible Flash/JD rivalry in the past for instance that showcases some of the best TvZ plays, mechanically, tactically, control wise, that you will ever see in your lifetime that only few can dream to aspire and achieve that kind of nirvana of play.

And these two go on to dominate the scene for a pretty long period of time, thats the kind of world class performances they can pull off thanks to the room the game gives them to demonstrate the much higher potential they have compared to other regular pros.

Things that no ordinary person is capable of, the kind of incredulous feat very few can pull off that many would pay to watch like in any elite sports in this world. the messi/muhammad ali/michael jordan/tiger wood (old) of starcraft. with the current environment sc2 has theres no way we can see anything like that. And this is why as a specatator i prefer BW to sc2. you can cry elitism, yeah go ahead and cry elitism to all the outliers and pro athletes in the real world as well, go on, nerf their field of expertise so any tom dick harry can catch up to them as well.
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