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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
January 12 2015 18:15 GMT
#21
On January 12 2015 23:53 Pandemona wrote:
Car blogs <3333333333333
Jaguar F Type as a car is one of the most beautiful pieces of car on the planet though + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
just look at it mmm makes me cream. Plus the sound, oh good lord the sound :3

Anyway moving on. Why did you go for an Audi S4? seems like a huge step down for no reason at all in that sense. A 3litre V6 does not seem very American
My dad has the similar car to this in the A5 2litre Turbo...COUGH diesel COUGH which is nice looking but thats about it, other than that it just seems to long to be any fun.
I drive an Audi A3 2L Turbo COUGH diesel COUGH which i find nice due to how much va va voom it seems to have for a small car and how much downforce it has.

My next car which i want to get when it comes out (in the uk) is the new Mustang they are bringing over. V8 version of this in England will cost (rumored not finalized) £35,000 for a 5L V8!! That is crazy money for the power and performance when you consider that kind of speed lines up with the M5s of the world which cost you an arm and a leg and anal rape around the back of the dealership!

Just wonder why you went for Audi S4 when you seem like you can more power for you buck else where. AMG Mercedes or push into the italian market with a Masareti or the German heavyweights Porsche. The power and cheapness of it in America compared to that in my country just makes me a bit sad when you're only getting a 3L V8

I wanted a four door for practicality so that tossed out Porsches other than the Macan, Cayenne, and Panamera, none of which felt worth the price. I hate Maseratis because other than sounding like some of the sexiest things on earth they are terrible all around. I tried driving the c63 AMG along with a number of other benzes. They did not feel nearly as nice as the s4.

Also it's not really a downgrade as I still have the jaguar, but that car is honestly a headache to drive in LA. It's designed extremely illogically from a practical driving point of view. But basically, the s4 is amazing fun to drive and doesn't really feel like a downgrade at all.
parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
January 12 2015 20:00 GMT
#22
On January 12 2015 16:12 omisa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 09:30 EtherealDeath wrote:
On January 12 2015 09:18 Kronen wrote:
Not to rain on your parade too much here, but I was expecting some "buying" experience in this blog. Leasing a new car is completely different than the purchasing as the leasee is basically paying for the new-car smell every two years. If having that new car is important to you personally or professionally then it can be worth it, but your paying for the novelty. Also, lease rates are much more volatile and dependent on credit history when compared to auto loan rates. Being in the market for a new(er) car myself soon, I was hoping to hear some give-and-take experience.


You can do the same for purchasing cars. Just make the dealerships compete and be extremely aggressive about it. They're going to shoot insulting offers at you until you make them bleed for it. Although granted if you're buying a car, first of all I would never buy a new car because that's just financially sily - if you want new just lease it, get a damn good rate and then buy it out later if you really want to, which you probably won't. Under the assumption that you're going for a 2-3 year old car (in order to avoid the really heavy depreciation without being too old), then it really depends on the exact car. You can check online for deals and such to get a better idea of the price.

As for how to get the most competition between dealerships, again this depends on the car. There tends to be much more competitions intra-brand than inter-brand for dealerships, so for example if I show an Audi dealer a deal on an E350, he won't be as much moved on an A6 as if I came to him with a deal from another Audi dealer on the same type of A6. The thing that dealers will always want to do is to get you to sign and drive off with the car, because once you do that you have no recourse.

There's another little trick you can do to make sure they give you the best damn deal possible. Dealerships tend to be open after banks close. Go there before the banks close, get approved on a car that is 10k+ below the price of the car you want, and then after banks are closed, change the car you want. Tell them you want to walk out with it today, that they HAVE to get you the deal because you want it now - not tomorrow, NOW, and that you are ready to pay - but only if they hit certain price targets. Again, do your research on what that price target probably should be, although they'll probably give you 150% to 200% of the real rate to begin with.

Thing is, after you've made them bleed to the max and give you a "crazy" deal, you're not done. Oh no the banks are now closed and they can't approve your new deal, because your price is now outside of the price range they approved. So the dealership will have to call you in the morning to try to clear it.

Now that you've got a "crazy" deal, go to another dealer first thing in the morning and bring them that offer. Do your research overnight to find a dealer who is likely to beat the deal. Then, once you're there, chances are they will beat that offer because the "crazy" deal you think you got last night is not actually a crazy deal. Then you can tell the original dealership that unfortunately you chose to buy another car once they call .


Hey man, I sell cars for a living. I just want to say you are most definitely not making the dealer 'bleed'. They are making money on your deal front and back. They are a business and are there to make money, simple. There is nothing wrong with negotiating a price with them but dont think you brought them to their knees.

Also, I dont believe your 'trick' really saved you that much money. How much is your time worth? Was it worth spending the better part of a week to save a few hundred maybe a thousand bucks? Sounds like stepping over dollars to pick up dimes. There really isnt as much of a mark up on dealer cars as you may think there is. And besides you are buying/leasing a new vehicle, it is going to be a loss for you no matter what way you look at it. Not to mention the shot gun to your credit. You want to know what is financially silly? Paying money to spend money you dont have.


Why do I get the sense in your post that you are being incredibly defensive?
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 12 2015 20:14 GMT
#23
On January 13 2015 03:15 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 23:53 Pandemona wrote:
Car blogs <3333333333333
Jaguar F Type as a car is one of the most beautiful pieces of car on the planet though + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
just look at it mmm makes me cream. Plus the sound, oh good lord the sound :3

Anyway moving on. Why did you go for an Audi S4? seems like a huge step down for no reason at all in that sense. A 3litre V6 does not seem very American
My dad has the similar car to this in the A5 2litre Turbo...COUGH diesel COUGH which is nice looking but thats about it, other than that it just seems to long to be any fun.
I drive an Audi A3 2L Turbo COUGH diesel COUGH which i find nice due to how much va va voom it seems to have for a small car and how much downforce it has.

My next car which i want to get when it comes out (in the uk) is the new Mustang they are bringing over. V8 version of this in England will cost (rumored not finalized) £35,000 for a 5L V8!! That is crazy money for the power and performance when you consider that kind of speed lines up with the M5s of the world which cost you an arm and a leg and anal rape around the back of the dealership!

Just wonder why you went for Audi S4 when you seem like you can more power for you buck else where. AMG Mercedes or push into the italian market with a Masareti or the German heavyweights Porsche. The power and cheapness of it in America compared to that in my country just makes me a bit sad when you're only getting a 3L V8

I wanted a four door for practicality so that tossed out Porsches other than the Macan, Cayenne, and Panamera, none of which felt worth the price. I hate Maseratis because other than sounding like some of the sexiest things on earth they are terrible all around. I tried driving the c63 AMG along with a number of other benzes. They did not feel nearly as nice as the s4.

Also it's not really a downgrade as I still have the jaguar, but that car is honestly a headache to drive in LA. It's designed extremely illogically from a practical driving point of view. But basically, the s4 is amazing fun to drive and doesn't really feel like a downgrade at all.


Oh ok fair enough. If it feels better drive then fair enough.
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EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
January 12 2015 21:04 GMT
#24
On January 13 2015 05:00 parkufarku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 16:12 omisa wrote:
On January 12 2015 09:30 EtherealDeath wrote:
On January 12 2015 09:18 Kronen wrote:
Not to rain on your parade too much here, but I was expecting some "buying" experience in this blog. Leasing a new car is completely different than the purchasing as the leasee is basically paying for the new-car smell every two years. If having that new car is important to you personally or professionally then it can be worth it, but your paying for the novelty. Also, lease rates are much more volatile and dependent on credit history when compared to auto loan rates. Being in the market for a new(er) car myself soon, I was hoping to hear some give-and-take experience.


You can do the same for purchasing cars. Just make the dealerships compete and be extremely aggressive about it. They're going to shoot insulting offers at you until you make them bleed for it. Although granted if you're buying a car, first of all I would never buy a new car because that's just financially sily - if you want new just lease it, get a damn good rate and then buy it out later if you really want to, which you probably won't. Under the assumption that you're going for a 2-3 year old car (in order to avoid the really heavy depreciation without being too old), then it really depends on the exact car. You can check online for deals and such to get a better idea of the price.

As for how to get the most competition between dealerships, again this depends on the car. There tends to be much more competitions intra-brand than inter-brand for dealerships, so for example if I show an Audi dealer a deal on an E350, he won't be as much moved on an A6 as if I came to him with a deal from another Audi dealer on the same type of A6. The thing that dealers will always want to do is to get you to sign and drive off with the car, because once you do that you have no recourse.

There's another little trick you can do to make sure they give you the best damn deal possible. Dealerships tend to be open after banks close. Go there before the banks close, get approved on a car that is 10k+ below the price of the car you want, and then after banks are closed, change the car you want. Tell them you want to walk out with it today, that they HAVE to get you the deal because you want it now - not tomorrow, NOW, and that you are ready to pay - but only if they hit certain price targets. Again, do your research on what that price target probably should be, although they'll probably give you 150% to 200% of the real rate to begin with.

Thing is, after you've made them bleed to the max and give you a "crazy" deal, you're not done. Oh no the banks are now closed and they can't approve your new deal, because your price is now outside of the price range they approved. So the dealership will have to call you in the morning to try to clear it.

Now that you've got a "crazy" deal, go to another dealer first thing in the morning and bring them that offer. Do your research overnight to find a dealer who is likely to beat the deal. Then, once you're there, chances are they will beat that offer because the "crazy" deal you think you got last night is not actually a crazy deal. Then you can tell the original dealership that unfortunately you chose to buy another car once they call .


Hey man, I sell cars for a living. I just want to say you are most definitely not making the dealer 'bleed'. They are making money on your deal front and back. They are a business and are there to make money, simple. There is nothing wrong with negotiating a price with them but dont think you brought them to their knees.

Also, I dont believe your 'trick' really saved you that much money. How much is your time worth? Was it worth spending the better part of a week to save a few hundred maybe a thousand bucks? Sounds like stepping over dollars to pick up dimes. There really isnt as much of a mark up on dealer cars as you may think there is. And besides you are buying/leasing a new vehicle, it is going to be a loss for you no matter what way you look at it. Not to mention the shot gun to your credit. You want to know what is financially silly? Paying money to spend money you dont have.


Why do I get the sense in your post that you are being incredibly defensive?

Nah he has valid points - and I did not mean to imply that the dealer is losing out, which of course they're not.
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