• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:29
CEST 23:29
KST 06:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-66SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-63PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)11Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE15
StarCraft 2
General
Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) August World Ranking: Clem climbs to #2 Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week Life's Huge Gambling Spree After IEM Katowice 2014
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event INu's Battles #19 2-Days Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-6
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion Artosis Joins SC4ALL II As Our First BW Invite! BW General Discussion Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game BW Drama: Terror's Debt Incident + C9 disbanding
Tourneys
SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-6 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Beyond All Reason Path of Exile
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club The Scarlett Fan Club The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
What is a Gamer?
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3296 users

Buying my second car and what I learned - Page 2

Blogs > EtherealDeath
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
January 12 2015 18:15 GMT
#21
On January 12 2015 23:53 Pandemona wrote:
Car blogs <3333333333333
Jaguar F Type as a car is one of the most beautiful pieces of car on the planet though + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
just look at it mmm makes me cream. Plus the sound, oh good lord the sound :3

Anyway moving on. Why did you go for an Audi S4? seems like a huge step down for no reason at all in that sense. A 3litre V6 does not seem very American
My dad has the similar car to this in the A5 2litre Turbo...COUGH diesel COUGH which is nice looking but thats about it, other than that it just seems to long to be any fun.
I drive an Audi A3 2L Turbo COUGH diesel COUGH which i find nice due to how much va va voom it seems to have for a small car and how much downforce it has.

My next car which i want to get when it comes out (in the uk) is the new Mustang they are bringing over. V8 version of this in England will cost (rumored not finalized) £35,000 for a 5L V8!! That is crazy money for the power and performance when you consider that kind of speed lines up with the M5s of the world which cost you an arm and a leg and anal rape around the back of the dealership!

Just wonder why you went for Audi S4 when you seem like you can more power for you buck else where. AMG Mercedes or push into the italian market with a Masareti or the German heavyweights Porsche. The power and cheapness of it in America compared to that in my country just makes me a bit sad when you're only getting a 3L V8

I wanted a four door for practicality so that tossed out Porsches other than the Macan, Cayenne, and Panamera, none of which felt worth the price. I hate Maseratis because other than sounding like some of the sexiest things on earth they are terrible all around. I tried driving the c63 AMG along with a number of other benzes. They did not feel nearly as nice as the s4.

Also it's not really a downgrade as I still have the jaguar, but that car is honestly a headache to drive in LA. It's designed extremely illogically from a practical driving point of view. But basically, the s4 is amazing fun to drive and doesn't really feel like a downgrade at all.
parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
January 12 2015 20:00 GMT
#22
On January 12 2015 16:12 omisa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 09:30 EtherealDeath wrote:
On January 12 2015 09:18 Kronen wrote:
Not to rain on your parade too much here, but I was expecting some "buying" experience in this blog. Leasing a new car is completely different than the purchasing as the leasee is basically paying for the new-car smell every two years. If having that new car is important to you personally or professionally then it can be worth it, but your paying for the novelty. Also, lease rates are much more volatile and dependent on credit history when compared to auto loan rates. Being in the market for a new(er) car myself soon, I was hoping to hear some give-and-take experience.


You can do the same for purchasing cars. Just make the dealerships compete and be extremely aggressive about it. They're going to shoot insulting offers at you until you make them bleed for it. Although granted if you're buying a car, first of all I would never buy a new car because that's just financially sily - if you want new just lease it, get a damn good rate and then buy it out later if you really want to, which you probably won't. Under the assumption that you're going for a 2-3 year old car (in order to avoid the really heavy depreciation without being too old), then it really depends on the exact car. You can check online for deals and such to get a better idea of the price.

As for how to get the most competition between dealerships, again this depends on the car. There tends to be much more competitions intra-brand than inter-brand for dealerships, so for example if I show an Audi dealer a deal on an E350, he won't be as much moved on an A6 as if I came to him with a deal from another Audi dealer on the same type of A6. The thing that dealers will always want to do is to get you to sign and drive off with the car, because once you do that you have no recourse.

There's another little trick you can do to make sure they give you the best damn deal possible. Dealerships tend to be open after banks close. Go there before the banks close, get approved on a car that is 10k+ below the price of the car you want, and then after banks are closed, change the car you want. Tell them you want to walk out with it today, that they HAVE to get you the deal because you want it now - not tomorrow, NOW, and that you are ready to pay - but only if they hit certain price targets. Again, do your research on what that price target probably should be, although they'll probably give you 150% to 200% of the real rate to begin with.

Thing is, after you've made them bleed to the max and give you a "crazy" deal, you're not done. Oh no the banks are now closed and they can't approve your new deal, because your price is now outside of the price range they approved. So the dealership will have to call you in the morning to try to clear it.

Now that you've got a "crazy" deal, go to another dealer first thing in the morning and bring them that offer. Do your research overnight to find a dealer who is likely to beat the deal. Then, once you're there, chances are they will beat that offer because the "crazy" deal you think you got last night is not actually a crazy deal. Then you can tell the original dealership that unfortunately you chose to buy another car once they call .


Hey man, I sell cars for a living. I just want to say you are most definitely not making the dealer 'bleed'. They are making money on your deal front and back. They are a business and are there to make money, simple. There is nothing wrong with negotiating a price with them but dont think you brought them to their knees.

Also, I dont believe your 'trick' really saved you that much money. How much is your time worth? Was it worth spending the better part of a week to save a few hundred maybe a thousand bucks? Sounds like stepping over dollars to pick up dimes. There really isnt as much of a mark up on dealer cars as you may think there is. And besides you are buying/leasing a new vehicle, it is going to be a loss for you no matter what way you look at it. Not to mention the shot gun to your credit. You want to know what is financially silly? Paying money to spend money you dont have.


Why do I get the sense in your post that you are being incredibly defensive?
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
January 12 2015 20:14 GMT
#23
On January 13 2015 03:15 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 23:53 Pandemona wrote:
Car blogs <3333333333333
Jaguar F Type as a car is one of the most beautiful pieces of car on the planet though + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
just look at it mmm makes me cream. Plus the sound, oh good lord the sound :3

Anyway moving on. Why did you go for an Audi S4? seems like a huge step down for no reason at all in that sense. A 3litre V6 does not seem very American
My dad has the similar car to this in the A5 2litre Turbo...COUGH diesel COUGH which is nice looking but thats about it, other than that it just seems to long to be any fun.
I drive an Audi A3 2L Turbo COUGH diesel COUGH which i find nice due to how much va va voom it seems to have for a small car and how much downforce it has.

My next car which i want to get when it comes out (in the uk) is the new Mustang they are bringing over. V8 version of this in England will cost (rumored not finalized) £35,000 for a 5L V8!! That is crazy money for the power and performance when you consider that kind of speed lines up with the M5s of the world which cost you an arm and a leg and anal rape around the back of the dealership!

Just wonder why you went for Audi S4 when you seem like you can more power for you buck else where. AMG Mercedes or push into the italian market with a Masareti or the German heavyweights Porsche. The power and cheapness of it in America compared to that in my country just makes me a bit sad when you're only getting a 3L V8

I wanted a four door for practicality so that tossed out Porsches other than the Macan, Cayenne, and Panamera, none of which felt worth the price. I hate Maseratis because other than sounding like some of the sexiest things on earth they are terrible all around. I tried driving the c63 AMG along with a number of other benzes. They did not feel nearly as nice as the s4.

Also it's not really a downgrade as I still have the jaguar, but that car is honestly a headache to drive in LA. It's designed extremely illogically from a practical driving point of view. But basically, the s4 is amazing fun to drive and doesn't really feel like a downgrade at all.


Oh ok fair enough. If it feels better drive then fair enough.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
January 12 2015 21:04 GMT
#24
On January 13 2015 05:00 parkufarku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 16:12 omisa wrote:
On January 12 2015 09:30 EtherealDeath wrote:
On January 12 2015 09:18 Kronen wrote:
Not to rain on your parade too much here, but I was expecting some "buying" experience in this blog. Leasing a new car is completely different than the purchasing as the leasee is basically paying for the new-car smell every two years. If having that new car is important to you personally or professionally then it can be worth it, but your paying for the novelty. Also, lease rates are much more volatile and dependent on credit history when compared to auto loan rates. Being in the market for a new(er) car myself soon, I was hoping to hear some give-and-take experience.


You can do the same for purchasing cars. Just make the dealerships compete and be extremely aggressive about it. They're going to shoot insulting offers at you until you make them bleed for it. Although granted if you're buying a car, first of all I would never buy a new car because that's just financially sily - if you want new just lease it, get a damn good rate and then buy it out later if you really want to, which you probably won't. Under the assumption that you're going for a 2-3 year old car (in order to avoid the really heavy depreciation without being too old), then it really depends on the exact car. You can check online for deals and such to get a better idea of the price.

As for how to get the most competition between dealerships, again this depends on the car. There tends to be much more competitions intra-brand than inter-brand for dealerships, so for example if I show an Audi dealer a deal on an E350, he won't be as much moved on an A6 as if I came to him with a deal from another Audi dealer on the same type of A6. The thing that dealers will always want to do is to get you to sign and drive off with the car, because once you do that you have no recourse.

There's another little trick you can do to make sure they give you the best damn deal possible. Dealerships tend to be open after banks close. Go there before the banks close, get approved on a car that is 10k+ below the price of the car you want, and then after banks are closed, change the car you want. Tell them you want to walk out with it today, that they HAVE to get you the deal because you want it now - not tomorrow, NOW, and that you are ready to pay - but only if they hit certain price targets. Again, do your research on what that price target probably should be, although they'll probably give you 150% to 200% of the real rate to begin with.

Thing is, after you've made them bleed to the max and give you a "crazy" deal, you're not done. Oh no the banks are now closed and they can't approve your new deal, because your price is now outside of the price range they approved. So the dealership will have to call you in the morning to try to clear it.

Now that you've got a "crazy" deal, go to another dealer first thing in the morning and bring them that offer. Do your research overnight to find a dealer who is likely to beat the deal. Then, once you're there, chances are they will beat that offer because the "crazy" deal you think you got last night is not actually a crazy deal. Then you can tell the original dealership that unfortunately you chose to buy another car once they call .


Hey man, I sell cars for a living. I just want to say you are most definitely not making the dealer 'bleed'. They are making money on your deal front and back. They are a business and are there to make money, simple. There is nothing wrong with negotiating a price with them but dont think you brought them to their knees.

Also, I dont believe your 'trick' really saved you that much money. How much is your time worth? Was it worth spending the better part of a week to save a few hundred maybe a thousand bucks? Sounds like stepping over dollars to pick up dimes. There really isnt as much of a mark up on dealer cars as you may think there is. And besides you are buying/leasing a new vehicle, it is going to be a loss for you no matter what way you look at it. Not to mention the shot gun to your credit. You want to know what is financially silly? Paying money to spend money you dont have.


Why do I get the sense in your post that you are being incredibly defensive?

Nah he has valid points - and I did not mean to imply that the dealer is losing out, which of course they're not.
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 12h 31m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
Dota 2
Gorgc12250
monkeys_forever223
Pyrionflax208
NeuroSwarm139
Counter-Strike
summit1g4769
fl0m2158
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu451
Other Games
Grubby2290
FrodaN1345
JuggernautJason128
UpATreeSC114
XaKoH 104
SteadfastSC63
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 127
• musti20045 39
• Kozan
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 69
• Eskiya23 31
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV443
Other Games
• imaqtpie1053
• Shiphtur350
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
12h 31m
INu's Battles
13h 31m
Percival vs Zoun
Cure vs TBD
ByuN vs TBD
TBD vs NightMare
PiGosaur Cup
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 11h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 13h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
INu's Battles
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Escore
3 days
[ Show More ]
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
RSL Revival: Season 6
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5
Escore Tournament S3: W6
Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.